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hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | On 2011 when I finished my reproduction of original Mopar hoses labels (using 3 NOS Mopar hoses) some members in here shown a concern about the originality of such unusual and rare item, because they simply never saw one before. The “experts” stated that FL cars came from factory with molded hoses with yellow lettering and not stickers or labels of any kind. Well I did some extra research going back some few years and I found that at least all the way back to 1955 was a white paper label with red lettering, BUT the forward look era (red/yellow) was exactly as I reproduced from a NOS sample. Even better was to see MOULDED hoses (that supposed to came ONLY in factory cars according to the experts) with paper labels. And here they are pictures as a proof of my assertion. I still waiting to see that ghost factory molded hoses with yellow lettering, at least once. Edited by hemidenis 2013-01-04 12:49 AM (NOShose.jpg) (hose1.jpg) (hose.jpg) (hose4.jpg) Attachments ---------------- NOShose.jpg (103KB - 111 downloads) hose1.jpg (13KB - 106 downloads) hose.jpg (15KB - 115 downloads) hose4.jpg (22KB - 116 downloads) | ||
Shep |
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Expert Posts: 3402 Location: Chestertown, NY ( near Lake George) | Certainly no expert here, but is it posssible that over the counter replacement hoses had this label? Someone I know has a 56 Chrysler supposedly all original, "out in a field find", no labels on the hoses, this car really looks untouched although in horrible condition. | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | I have this one here in my parts stash, found at an old dealership, on the shelf: I also believe these labels were affixed to parts sold over the parts counters, and not put on hoses at the factory. | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | Also, this ad appears in the 1960 Canadian parts catalogue: (IMG_5hhh306.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_5hhh306.jpg (99KB - 116 downloads) | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | Wow, you can never know everything about FL cars…… It is the first time I see a Chryco NOS hose or the catalog, so I would like to see the "expert" on this thread denying the accuracy of my reproduction. I'm sure that only dealers sold the original Mopar hose, like today's dealers are the only stores carring genuine items. Those screw type clamps are something complete new for me. Thanks for sharing. Edited by hemidenis 2013-01-04 4:26 PM | ||
kmccabe56 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 390 | hemidenis - 2013-01-04 4:06 PM Wow, you can never know everything about FL cars…… It is the first time I see a Chryco NOS hose or the catalog, so I would like to see the "expert" on this thread denying the accuracy of my reproduction. I'm sure that only dealers sold the original Mopar hose, like today's dealers are the only stores carring genuine items. Those screw type clamps are something complete new for me. Thanks for sharing. Just to confuse things a little further, it is my belief that both your paper labels and the part numbers stamped onto the hoses themselves are correct. For their specific applications. Paper labels were, as one or more of the previous posters has suggested, used on Service Parts, i.e. the parts you could buy over the counter from the dealer. The hoses with the numbers pad stamped on them are Production parts, i.e. those used by the people in the assembly plants who actually built the cars. As to the clamps in the ad in the 1960 pass car parts catalog, the double wire clamps are correct for cars prior to the Forward Look era, i.e. postwar through at least 1952 if not 1954. The spring, Corbin, clamps were a later release, used beginning around the time of the FL. They were both a cost save as well as faster to install on the line. I don't know for sure, but it's possible the hoses arrived at the assembly plants with the clamps installed slightly inboard of their final locations on the hoses, to also speed up installation on the assembly line. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | According to the add "Lower inventory investment" to me mean that dealers don’t need to carry hundred of molded hoses in the store, right? So that mean that at least in Canada, molded hoses were available at the dealer. About the yellow lettering hoses, sorry but I have to see at least one, I saw molded hoses with yellow lettering but with the pentastar logo which make them an 80's production hose, not a truly FL era. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | I found another molded hose with label form the DPCD era, just pre Forward look and they are only 3 possibilities how this hose is for sale today so make your pic: - One is that a factory worker stole this particular from the Chrysler plant or -Molded hoses were actually offered for sale at dealership parts counter or -the “experts” are full of …. (1954 55 56.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1954 55 56.jpg (13KB - 106 downloads) | ||
kmccabe56 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 390 | hemidenis - 2013-01-05 4:54 PM According to the add "Lower inventory investment" to me mean that dealers don’t need to carry hundred of molded hoses in the store, right? So that mean that at least in Canada, molded hoses were available at the dealer. About the yellow lettering hoses, sorry but I have to see at least one, I saw molded hoses with yellow lettering but with the pentastar logo which make them an 80's production hose, not a truly FL era. I would have to find someone who was around at the time to confirm this, but my guess is that Chrysler was encouraging the dealers to stock the flex hoses that are shown in the ad, as a means to reduce the number of moulded hoses that were released to production, in inventory at the dealerships. Length-wise, flex hoses can cover a great many more applications than fixed length moulded hoses. To me, flex hoses were always a lazy man's way out of doing the job properly, and I think the manufacturer's finally saw things that way too, as it's pretty uncommon to find a flex hose on a late model car. | ||
kmccabe56 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 390 | hemidenis - 2013-01-06 5:55 PM I found another molded hose with label form the DPCD era, just pre Forward look and they are only 3 possibilities how this hose is for sale today so make your pic: - One is that a factory worker stole this particular from the Chrysler plant Always a possibility, but only in a city where Chrysler had an assembly plant. or -Molded hoses were actually offered for sale at dealership parts counter Depending on the application, molded hoses were the only part available from the dealer. In other applications for FL cars, a flex hose may have been released. or -the “experts” are full of …. We've already seen that.... | ||
Chrycoman |
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | soiouz - 2013-01-04 10:10 AM I have this one here in my parts stash, found at an old dealership, on the shelf: I also believe these labels were affixed to parts sold over the parts counters, and not put on hoses at the factory. Do not understand that one. That would mean a dealer would have to get labels from somewhere, printed with the correct part number, and then stick them on. The labels had to be on at the parts warehouse or there would be problems keeping track of orders being readied for shipment. Never mind stocking the parts at the warehouse when they arrived from the supplier. Found another item your local Chryco dealer could supply back in the mid-1950's. (Chryco Replacement Panels 1.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Chryco Replacement Panels 1.JPG (188KB - 124 downloads) | ||
soiouz |
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | Chrycoman - 2013-01-06 6:37 PM soiouz - 2013-01-04 10:10 AM I have this one here in my parts stash, found at an old dealership, on the shelf: I also believe these labels were affixed to parts sold over the parts counters, and not put on hoses at the factory. Do not understand that one. That would mean a dealer would have to get labels from somewhere, printed with the correct part number, and then stick them on. The labels had to be on at the parts warehouse or there would be problems keeping track of orders being readied for shipment. Never mind stocking the parts at the warehouse when they arrived from the supplier. Found another item your local Chryco dealer could supply back in the mid-1950's. ...affixed, as in already affixed on the parts at the factory for resale over the counter and of course not put by someone at the parts counter... The hoses used at the factory on the cars being built, I think, would not have had the paper labels on them. That is what I meant. I might not have been clear enough, sorry. English is not my first language, you know... Edited by soiouz 2013-01-06 8:52 PM | ||
kmccabe56 |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 390 | Chrycoman - 2013-01-06 6:37 PM soiouz - 2013-01-04 10:10 AM I have this one here in my parts stash, found at an old dealership, on the shelf: I also believe these labels were affixed to parts sold over the parts counters, and not put on hoses at the factory. Do not understand that one. That would mean a dealer would have to get labels from somewhere, printed with the correct part number, and then stick them on. The labels had to be on at the parts warehouse or there would be problems keeping track of orders being readied for shipment. Never mind stocking the parts at the warehouse when they arrived from the supplier. Found another item your local Chryco dealer could supply back in the mid-1950's. Funny/odd that these rust repair rocker panels would be listed in Accessories, which is Group #1 in the parts catalogue, when they're actually Group#23 (Body) parts. Bill, do you have any of the ads for those garrish plaid seat covers the dealers could get for these pre FL cars? | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | Yes is estrange, but is another "experts" myth saying that Chrysler never produce sheet metal for theses cars, but they are on the parts books. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Denis, what is the P/N on your radiator hose, above here? That's the sort of hose that I'm looking for, for my car. Denis has been nice enough to send me some of his re-popped paper hose 'tags'; they're good! | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | Neil, that picture I found it on the internet, but are talking about the molded hose with the white-red early forward look sticker? Of the forward look reproduction sticker I could only confirm parts number 1881804 1881805 1881806 1885809 and one hose had a blank sticker with number wrote it with a pen. I used (804 805 806) for the reproduction, and I found the 809 2 years ago on Carlisle. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3893 Location: Northen Virginia | Probably these are the type that the "experts" were talking about. But as you can see they are modern production. And it clearly is showing sticker even that is moulded. Edited by hemidenis 2013-01-12 8:52 PM (hoses5.jpg) Attachments ---------------- hoses5.jpg (11KB - 112 downloads) | ||
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