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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-01-21 7:29 AM (#304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Does anyone know the Borg no. for the movement in a '61 Chrysler clock? Borg is NOT listed in the Chrysler parts catalogue vendor section like Auto-lite or Carter are.
'60-'62 clocks have the same internals, possibly the same in other clocks too. The Chrysler part no. for this '61 clock is 2257582.

Jeff Intwert sells DIY quartz conversions for Borg clocks but we need the Borg no. to order the correct one....
Thanks, Erik.
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Posted 2012-01-21 11:48 PM (#304669 - in reply to #304590)
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-01-22 6:19 AM (#304690 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Got 2 of 'em, don't see any no's anywhere, inside or out....Any directions on where the no's should be if present?
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sconut1
Posted 2012-02-01 1:36 AM (#305933 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta		I just pulled the clock out of my Plymouth for repairs. On the back of the clock it was stamped Borg, with a WI address for the manufacturer. I didn't look that closely at it, but I thought there was a number back there.
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-02-01 6:34 AM (#305943 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		I take it you mean the back of the housing? Yes we have that stamp too, but no number...is yours a '61? Please post if you DO find a number for the mechanism....
Thanks.
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sconut1
Posted 2012-02-08 1:05 AM (#306861 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta		No, mine is a '57. My clock is on the way back from the Clock Works as I just had it restored. It should be back here in a couple of weeks, so as soon as I get it back I will have a look at mine and let you know what I find.
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-02-08 5:38 AM (#306868 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Thanks for the efforts, I got a third same clock in with a very clear Borg stamping at the back, no numbers though, inside or out...
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Posted 2012-03-25 2:01 AM (#313731 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta		I got my clock back from repair. I had a good look at it, and sure enough, not a number stamp anywhere on the clock. Clear markings that it's a Borg clock, but not a part or serial number to be found.
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-25 6:28 AM (#313738 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Yeah, I know, got a '60 Imperial clock in for repair the other day, exactly the same inner workings as the Chrysler ones and no #'s either.
Guess they just didn't use no's for their clocks...Thanks for looking anyway!
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Posted 2012-03-30 1:31 AM (#314475 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: The Great Northwest		I called the quartz clock vendor that I have used for years to order a DIY conversion kit and was told that they don't have a DIY kit for a '61 Chrysler. If you want it converted, you have to send the clock to them and they will have to make some special modifications to the conversion kit and then when they have it installed will send it back. The price quoted was about $120 so it would be about twice the cost of the DIY kit. Hope this helps.
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-30 5:44 AM (#314485 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Hi Arland, thanks for that. I think that's pretty good, we were quoted well over $250 for the same job...Ridiculous...
Would you mind telling us who your supplier for the DIY kit is? I'm sure I can make those modifications myself too....
Do you have any pics of what a DIY kit looks like?
Thanks, Erik.
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Posted 2012-03-30 12:20 PM (#314533 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: The Great Northwest		Erik,

Here's the URL for Instrument Services Inc. (clocksandgauges.com) http://clocksandgauges.com/gpage.html#3 who do restorations as well as quartz conversions. They will do the conversion for about $120 plus shipping. The web site shows a picture of the kit(s) but the problem is that they don't know which kit should be used for a '61 Chrysler so you have to tell them which kit you want. Since there will have to be some modifications made to any of the conversion kits to work in '61 Chrysler, it is difficult to know which kit to order. It might be best to have them do the install although I agree with you that it would be kind of fun doing the modifications myself and getting the quartz clock installed. I have used their conversion kits for newer cars that are a direct fit replacement and they are pretty straight forward. Let us know if you attempt this yourself and which kit you ordered to try it with. Regards,

Arland
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-30 6:31 PM (#314600 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Thanks Arland, good site with fair prices...Now here's a thing...

Picture above taken from their site...Bottom right is a '60-'63 Imperial clock. I know for a fact that all inners including the EL clock hands
are exactly the same as the Chrysler ones for those years as I have recently repaired/restored one of those, picture below.....

One would think that they should know that same fact really but they tell you they don't know?
That doesn't really inspire confidence, neither does the fact that nowhere on their site is there mention of being able to repair the EL clock hands.
But I know a man who can...

Yes, I will probably order a kit just to see what one of our clocks would be like without the ticking and clicking and just to know that I can...
If you want one of these, order the kit for that Imp clock pictured and you'll be allright. All the same exept for the seconds hand...


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Posted 2012-03-30 6:48 PM (#314602 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: The Great Northwest		Erik,

The knob to set the time on the Imp clock is at the 3 o'clock position while the knob on the '61 New Yorker is at the 6 o'clock position. Based on the previous conversions I've done with their kits, it isn't a simple task to rotate the inner workings 90 degrees. The small rivets on the clock face have to line up with the studs on the inner works assembly if I recall correctly (and it's possible that I don't recall correctly at all!) If you tell them to send you a kit for the 60 - 63 Imp, it might be the best shot at getting the clock converted. They may be showing a picture of the Imp clock as an example of their restoration work but not for a quartz conversion. Either way it will be interesting to see how it goes.

Arland
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-30 8:39 PM (#314620 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		Arland,

The rivets in the clock face are just to keep the face plate attached to the EL lamp and are not connected to the clocks front housing plate...
The complete face/lamp is attached to the front plate via means of 4 bent over tabs so that should not hinder rotation of the works.
Are you saying in the conversion these rivets should now be used to attach the new works with? That could really stress the lamp...
That Imp clock is not featured in their clock restorations section, pic appears under DIY kits...

As fixing these clocks has in the meantime become sort of a hobby (the Imp one I did was #7 ), I'm keen to find out what exactly is needed to do the conversion...
Would you have any pics of the quartz units or instructions for the ones you did previously that you could post?
And did you by any chance get that 20 min instruction video?

Thanks again...

P.s. As seen here the rivets sit in the far corners of the face, as the quartz unit is kind of round these rivets will not be reached.
Clearly these are before restoration...

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Posted 2012-03-30 10:24 PM (#314642 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: The Great Northwest		You are correct regarding the rivets although I'm still thinking the 90 degree rotation of the hand setting knob may be an issue. In the latest round of tidying up the work shop, the box with the old clock works and the instructions made it into the circular file. I haven't seen the need for the DVD since the written instructions have been fairly clear and previous conversions went without a hitch.
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Windsor Wendy
Posted 2012-03-31 9:12 AM (#314689 - in reply to #304590)
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Location: Netherlands		You could well be right, I don't know how the old style adjuster connects to the new unit but a rotated position of the new movement should make no difference...

Worst case scenario I would mount the unit on the plate as designed to match the adjuster and turn the complete unit with face plate 90 degrees in the clock housing,
then turn the clock face back 90 degrees on the face mounting plate...
The 12V+ terminal on the back sits in the center anyway and the EL terminal can be placed anywhere to suit the hole in the housing as an insulated remote connection.

I'm sure we can get it to fit IF they indeed have one to suit that Imp clock.
No, I didn't see the need for ordering the DVD either....

I'll keep you posted when I get round to doing one of these...

Edited by Windsor Wendy 2012-03-31 9:14 AM
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