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Chopper John
Posted 2012-07-26 11:09 PM (#331812)
Subject: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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61 CHRYSLER (Fin Car) - $12000 (Paw Paw, Mi)
Date: 2012-06-15, 12:33PM EDT
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61 Chrysler Newport All original 34,000 mile car. Grandparents bought new from HJ Coopers in kalamazoo and I have all the documation. This is not a barn find, its had good storage all its life! $12,000 Calls Only 269-655-8696



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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-27 7:39 PM (#331928 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		Whoa....we've discussed this 'Highlander-type' plaid upholstery, elsewhere-before.

I am a REAL fan of 61 Chryslers; built like bank vaults and very comfortable riding.

Looks like it's got a rubber floor mat-covering.




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oldwood
Posted 2012-07-27 8:07 PM (#331934 - in reply to #331928)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan


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Chopper John
Posted 2012-07-28 12:07 AM (#331961 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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imopar380
Posted 2012-07-28 1:21 AM (#331969 - in reply to #331928)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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d500neil - 2012-07-27 4:39 PM

Whoa....we've discussed this 'Highlander-type' plaid upholstery, elsewhere-before.

I am a REAL fan of 61 Chryslers; built like bank vaults and very comfortable riding.

Looks like it's got a rubber floor mat-covering.


Neil, why is it you think the 61s are so much better built than the 60 Chryslers? They are pretty much the same car other than new sheet metal stampings for hood, quarters, doors and front fenders. Innards are the same.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-28 3:06 AM (#331985 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		...because there are so many MORE 1961 Chryslers (and, even, per capita) DeSotos that we see, than 1960 models (and,
I've ridden in a 61 Newport sedan).

There are quite a few 60 DeSotos out there, but, really, not very many 1960 Chryslers----especially the mundane 4 door sedans;
there are a LOT of 61 sedans still on the road, and listed for sale.

I'd be curious about the production numbers between those years; but, I've got The Chrysler Story ; so I guess I could look them up,
there.




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Cmangeot
Posted 2012-07-28 9:29 AM (#332008 - in reply to #331961)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan


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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-28 2:15 PM (#332051 - in reply to #332008)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		I thought that that comment might evince some response!

I get Windsors & Newports mixed up.

4-door sedans are the working man's/family man's cars.

Most surviving sedans seem to be in tan or white colors, but this car's interior is like a Brooks Brothers suit coat with a
very flashy lining, and/or vest.

I dunno why very few 1960 Chrysler non-New Yorker sedans seem to have survived, but, they are rare sightings.

What's really interesting about this car is that it has that wild interior scheme, but the standard rubber floor coverings.

Just noticed how Primo this car's brake pedal is----a GENTLY driven car.










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spider89119
Posted 2012-07-28 4:28 PM (#332068 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Las Vegas, NV		I am glad he pointed out that this is a "Fin Car."

But, seriously, this one looks like a beauty. The price isn't too bad either for a sedan in that kind of condition.

Has anyone besides me noticed that 2-door hardtop US 61 Windsors are about as rare as a pterodactyl? There are probably more 300G convertibles out there.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-28 6:41 PM (#332081 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Slow news day, and in answer to Will's question, above....got out 70 Years of Chrysler, today.

Firstly, in 1961 the New-for-61 NEWPORTS became the BOTTOM tier models, and the FORMER-
bottom-tier-in-1960 WINDSORS got UP-graded to mid-level, where they REPLACED the
1960 mid-level Saratogas.

Everybody got that?

So, comparing apples to apples, between 1960 & 1961 is confusing, because the 60 Saratogas
were now the 61 Windsors, and the 60 Windsors were now the 61 Newports.

[ I told you, the two models were confusing....and then you throw in the 57-59 Windsors and Saratoga
models; no....]

Anyway, here's a scribbled-notation comparing the 1960 & 1961 non-fancy-model Chrysler production
records, from that book:


And, in Re: Will's question, there were ALMOST as many 61 Windsor 2 DR HT's built ( 2,941) as there were
1960 Saratoga's (2,963)----the ONLY model that sold less well, in 1961, compared to 1960.

But, there were a LOT more 61 bottom-level Newport 2 DR HT's built (9,405) than the bottom-level 1960
Windsors (6,496)

And, for the 61 300G verts, there were 337 built (with 336 still surviving, seemingly).






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spider89119
Posted 2012-07-28 9:39 PM (#332097 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Las Vegas, NV		Looks like 1961 was a much more successful year than 1960 (in terms of production numbers) for the Chrysler division. I've always thought of the Newport more as a replacement for the bottom-level DeSoto than as a replacement for the 1960 Windsor, but when you compare the production numbers, what you are saying makes more sense.

But, all of that having been said, I have been following forward look cars on the net for more than a couple of years now, and it seems like you just don't see any 61 US Windsor 2DHTs. I have seen some Canadian ones, which are like the US Newport, but the US version seems like it must be one of the very rarest of the surviving forward look cars, since I have seen multiples of just about everything else, including 300G convertibles.

If anyone out there on the forum has a 61 Windsor 2DHT from the US, post some pics I'd love to see one.
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imopar380
Posted 2012-07-29 1:00 AM (#332125 - in reply to #332081)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Neil, just to throw a wrench into the gears on the Windsor / Newport/ Saratoga models for 1961:

In Canada the Windsor was still the bottom line model for 1961, model RC1-L / same model # as the US Newport but it was much more lavishly equipped than a standard US built Newport. For example, carpets, torqueflite, clear rim steering wheel, full wheel covers were standard on the Canadian RC1-L ( Windsor) . The seat upholstery on the Canadian Windsor was lifted from the US built 1961 Dodge Polara, however the door panels were lifted from the 1960 US Dodge Matador / Canadian 1960 Polara / Canadian 1960 Windsor. Yes, all three of those cars used the same door panel upholstery.

In Canada the Saratoga was still the mid-line model RC2-M for 1961, same model # as the US Windsor and carried the same exact interior as the US Windsor. Both of these Canadian production cars came with 1960 Chrysler wheel covers.

The 61 New Yorker (RC3-H) sold in Canada was built in Detroit and imported here and as such was equipped exactly as sold in the USA.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-07-29 5:12 AM (#332130 - in reply to #332125)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Parts Unknown		I hear that in Canada they wear their skivvies backwards, read right-to-left, and 3 is greater than 4.

Not sure what those cats are smoking up there !

I am SURE sales were exponentially better because they made all those contorted models and interior
changes.

What a ball of confusion !
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-07-29 5:14 AM (#332131 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Parts Unknown		BTW - I owned a black with red interior 61 Windsor coupe back around 1982-3. Sold it to Jeff Carter.
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Ray
Posted 2012-07-29 7:51 AM (#332142 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: RE: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan


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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-29 9:44 PM (#332221 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		Ray, yours is a Newport?

Went back to "70 Years" , and confirmed that there only two images of the 61 Windsors; one
of which is above-shown.

The Newports do apparently have "Chrysler" emblems on their fenders (which is counter-intuitve
since the Windsors are higher-level models than are the Newports).

However, the "70 Years" editor apparently mis-identified a(nother-) Windsor 4 door sedan
as being a "Newport".....






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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-07-29 11:08 PM (#332231 - in reply to #331812)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Yeah, the Windsor had that 57 Chrysler reminiscent curly-scrolly "Windsor" script out back by the
rear bumper, and the little framed panel up front was left open.

Sad, but funny story about the one I owned ....

It sat alongside a barn for a few years. The owner would not sell it. A freeway was built right
through the farm, and put the car in sight of punks who broke all the glass out of it. Still, the owner
would not sell it. Then one night, the headlight assemblies disappeared and some graffiti appeared.
That next morning the phone rang. "Come get this car off my property !"

A little buffing compound and screwdriver time and it was all back to looking good. Too bad he was
so stubborn and let it sit out in the Seattle rain for several years with no glass.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-30 3:09 AM (#332263 - in reply to #332231)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		...This thread's Windsor sedan is missing its quarter panel "Windsor" emblem(s).




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Ray
Posted 2012-07-30 12:59 PM (#332329 - in reply to #332221)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan


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It is a 1961 Canadian Windsor-a gussied up US Newport.  

No Windsor script on quarter panel, but Chrysler block letters in front fender. Some other differences, thanks to Ian's knowledge- Chrome trim around inside of windows, clear steering wheel, flight-sweep deck lid, upgraded interior (from higher-end Dodge). Large rear window?-not sure if that was an upgrade on 2 door hts or not. Rear speaker, generator instead of the newly released alternator. Mine has dual exhaust-not sure if it is original. 





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imopar380
Posted 2012-07-30 3:42 PM (#332347 - in reply to #332329)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Ray - 2012-07-30 9:59 AM

It is a 1961 Canadian Windsor-a gussied up US Newport.  

No Windsor script on quarter panel, but Chrysler block letters in front fender. Some other differences, thanks to Ian's knowledge- Chrome trim around inside of windows, clear steering wheel, flight-sweep deck lid, upgraded interior (from higher-end Dodge). Large rear window?-not sure if that was an upgrade on 2 door hts or not. Rear speaker, generator instead of the newly released alternator. Mine has dual exhaust-not sure if it is original. 



There was onl 1 rear window size on the 2 door Hardtops. Flite sweep deck lid was optional on all of them. Yours has the optional rocker mouldings as well.

From what I've been able to figure out, the CHRYSLER Block letters on the front fenders were only used on early production Canadian Windsors and US Newports, and was discontinued at some point during the year. I've got a number of photos of both those models with and without it. On the Canadian Saratoga there were block letters "SARATOGA" on the front fenders in place of CHRYSLER block letters

On the US Newports and Canadian Windsors the only model ID on these was placed on the glove box door, nothing on the exterior of the Car to ID the model.

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imopar380
Posted 2012-07-30 3:52 PM (#332350 - in reply to #332347)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Pics of a Canadian Saratoga. Note the 1960 style wheel covers, used on Canadian 1961 Windsor and Saratoga .

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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-30 4:23 PM (#332355 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		OK; so howcum there's no "Windsor" emblem(s)--and no visible mounting-holes for it--on the driver's side of this thread's
Windsor 4-dr sedan?

I really enjoy this message board, as being a truly educational feature on the various FWDLK'ers.

The Windsors/Saratogas/Newports are apparently the MOST confused and/or conflicted models in all of 1957-1961 Forwardlookdom!


E.G.: was the decklid's 'spare-tire-cover' 2-toned, when the car's roof was?

AND: you're saying that that illustration, above, could well show a "mid-year" Newport being delivered at
its dealership?








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Ray
Posted 2012-07-30 9:51 PM (#332410 - in reply to #332355)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan


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d500neil - 2012-07-30 3:23 PM OK; so howcum there's no "Windsor" emblem(s)--and no visible mounting-holes for it--on the driver's side of this thread's Windsor 4-dr sedan?  

 I think Ian has the answer. The original owner states that his car is a Newport. The glove box appears to have Newport script. It appears to be a later production US Newport-if everything is original.

 If we knew the engine size, it would help.

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Posted 2012-07-30 11:39 PM (#332423 - in reply to #332355)
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JT Vincent
Posted 2012-07-31 1:31 PM (#332522 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		I knew a guy who had a Highlander 61. It was actually kind of ugly. I don't think of spaceship cars and Scotland. And green and red make me feel like I'm going to have a seizure. But-- sweet car nonetheless. I had a US 61 Windsor 2 door hardtop. Black with a black and silver interior. And close to perfect. It was probably my favorite all-time car that I ever actually owned. I liked it a thousand times more than my 300 H. It was quiet and nimble, and although the front bumper is a little slab-like, the grill and headlights grew on me, until all I could see was a jumping lion when I looked at it. I'm most attracted to '57-58 2 door FL cars with roofs on them. Even the sedans. But, they rattle, especially the hardtops. The unit construction cars feel a lot different. Drivability is something, and those cars were fun and easy to drive. Less dry-mouth factor there.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-31 4:32 PM (#332545 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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d500neil
Posted 2012-08-13 12:43 AM (#334382 - in reply to #331812)
Subject: Re: 1961 Chrysler Windsor, 34,000 miles, $12,000 - Michigan



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Location: bishop, ca		Here's a 61 Newport ad....




http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Chrysler-Newport-vintage-ad-/250792988...

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