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plymouth
Posted 2013-02-24 12:53 PM (#361606)
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dukeboy
Posted 2013-02-24 1:40 PM (#361615 - in reply to #361606)
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Location: Big pimpin'		Jack up ONE SIDE(Chock front wheels!), have car in neutral, try and turn the wheel that's off the ground. If turns freely (Also will turn the driveshaft), then Non-Sure grip. I doubt your 6 Cyl. car hadda Sure Grip. Most likely what's referred to as an 8" instead of the 8 3/4" rearend. Mainly in 1958 cars, was reserved for the Fury's, with the larger 8 3/4" rear.



And to answer your next question: NO, it is a ROYAL PITA to upgrade your old rearend (Provided it actually is an 8 3/4 unit) to a SureGrip unit. Axles have to be machined and all kindsa Bullsh*t.
A MUCH easier way if you want to go that route, is to upgrade the entire rear end to another 8 3/4 unit from an "E"-body. Drum to drum unit with a Sure Grip already in it.
Won;t be cheap by any means, but if you just gotta smoke BOTH rear tires...

Edited by dukeboy 2013-02-24 2:32 PM
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plymouth
Posted 2013-02-24 2:02 PM (#361620 - in reply to #361615)
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Location: McComb, Mississippi		Thanks Duke. I will find out tomorrow. I currently have 3.73 gears
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57chizler
Posted 2013-02-24 2:37 PM (#361628 - in reply to #361606)
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A '58 6-cylinder car would have the 8 1/4" rear end; to my knowledge the 8 1/4" never came with Sure-Grip.
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plymouth
Posted 2013-02-24 2:57 PM (#361635 - in reply to #361628)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-02-24 3:19 PM (#361642 - in reply to #361635)
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Location: bishop, ca		Sorry, Dukie, but I had a 3.55:1 Sure Grip, from some 70's-80's truck, installed on my car and it was essentially a drop-
in easy affair.

Didn't like the low-end operational noise, the marginally improved performance over the OEM 3.36:1 ratio, or the MPG
that went down to about 8-ish combined; mostly around-town.

Got it off Horrie quickly, and eventually sold it to OZ.

Very happy, now, with H.'s 742-series 2.76:1 mid-60's diffie that I bought off of DocSoto.

Can't quote chapter and verse about installing that 3.55 guy; too long ago and I just turned the job over to my local
olde car mechanic, but there was no drama or major surgery involved in its installation or in its removal/742-installation.



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dukeboy
Posted 2013-02-24 5:34 PM (#361667 - in reply to #361642)
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d500neil - 2013-02-24 3:19 PM

Sorry, Dukie, but I had a 3.55:1 Sure Grip, from some 70's-80's truck, installed on my car and it was essentially a drop-
in easy affair.






Sorry there Neily, but that's prolly the reason..You haven't installed one. Just because your mechanic told you it was a "Drop in" easy affair, doesn't mean I want to see CB attempt this without Valid Information to help him decide on the best course of action.

I know for a FACT that a Sure Grip installation into an Original NON-Sure Grip unit 8 3/4 Rear will require the axles either be SWAPPED, or about 1/8" machined off the ends. THEN, and only then, will you be able to ATTEMPT to set up the axle end play of which, there aren't too many Shims available.

If you actually DID have a late 70's(After 1974) or 80's Dodge Truck rear installed, then I'd like to know how as As far As I know the trucks those years came equipped with 8 1/4 rears.

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60 Plymouth
Posted 2013-02-24 6:33 PM (#361681 - in reply to #361642)
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d500neil - 2013-02-24 3:19 PM

Sorry, Dukie, but I had a 3.55:1 Sure Grip, from some 70's-80's truck, installed on my car and it was essentially a drop-
in easy affair.

Didn't like the low-end operational noise, the marginally improved performance over the OEM 3.36:1 ratio, or the MPG
that went down to about 8-ish combined; mostly around-town.

Got it off Horrie quickly, and eventually sold it to OZ.

Very happy, now, with H.'s 742-series 2.76:1 mid-60's diffie that I bought off of DocSoto.

Can't quote chapter and verse about installing that 3.55 guy; too long ago and I just turned the job over to my local
olde car mechanic, but there was no drama or major surgery involved in its installation or in its removal/742-installation.








Do what!! you mean the rear end is not OEM either??? Good grief what's left of this car? With all the molesting that's happened to it it should just be scrapped or sent over sea to be properly restored


Edited by 60 Plymouth 2013-02-24 6:41 PM
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dukeboy
Posted 2013-02-24 9:11 PM (#361698 - in reply to #361681)
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Location: Big pimpin'		CB, if you interested, I have a site where you might find a good used E-body rear with a Sure Grip.
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plymouth
Posted 2013-02-24 9:24 PM (#361699 - in reply to #361698)
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rockerarm
Posted 2013-02-25 12:07 AM (#361714 - in reply to #361615)
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 upgrade the entire rear end to another 8 3/4 unit from an "E"-body. Drum to drum unit with a Sure Grip already in it. Won;t be cheap by any means,

A 65-68 C-body rear axle, (perhaps 69 & later too) is a direct changeover also, And a lot more plentyful....and cheaper, then a rare Ebody unit.

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d500neil
Posted 2013-02-25 2:13 AM (#361725 - in reply to #361714)
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Location: bishop, ca		The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.

The MPG will decrease as well.

Once our cars' rear drums are pulled and the bearings and seals are serviced, there should be no reason to have
to re-pull the brakes again....replacing the rear axle assembly is an exercise in wasting time and money....but,
it's your time, and your money.



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dukeboy
Posted 2013-02-25 7:04 AM (#361749 - in reply to #361725)
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d500neil - 2013-02-25 2:13 AM

The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.

The MPG will decrease as well.

Once our cars' rear drums are pulled and the bearings and seals are serviced, there should be no reason to have
to re-pull the brakes again....replacing the rear axle assembly is an exercise in wasting time and money....but,
it's your time, and your money.





Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, but that has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There is ALWAYS a need to check your rear brakes.
And there is more than one reason to run a Sure Grip rearend. A Sure grip can help aid in traction for those who wish to actually make some power with their cars, it can help with the Hot Rodder who wishes to not embarrass himself by doing the ol "One wheel Peel" ata burnout contest, etc. These by definition, are the very same ones who wish to upgrade the rearend to a later unit.
Anything can and usually does happen when running these Horribly Inadequate brakes. Waste of money? I'd be more inclined to believe that if someone were buying Stupid "Options" for these cars that never really worked from jumpstreet. Like 12" DRUM brakes...Now, THAT'S a waste of time and money.
Open your eyes and take off the blinders. There's a great big world out there that has Alternators, High torque Starters, Sure Grip Rears, slip off drums, Disc brakes, Slip yoke driveshafts, etc.

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60 Plymouth
Posted 2013-02-25 7:11 AM (#361751 - in reply to #361725)
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d500neil - 2013-02-25 2:13 AM

The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.

The MPG will decrease as well.

Once our cars' rear drums are pulled and the bearings and seals are serviced, there should be no reason to have
to re-pull the brakes again....replacing the rear axle assembly is an exercise in wasting time and money....but,
it's your time, and your money.





Maybe in YOUR car but again that's YOUR car and if he wants to upgrade HIS car then I don't see why you have to turn every thread that does not go your way into belittling of the person who does not agree with you. I do not believe he asked you if it was a waste of time or money. I believe he actually works on his car to!!
I say do the swap if you can find a good deal on a rear I am sure they are out there. I got a pretty good deal on one at Carlisle. Oh if it has no function in the cars why did your mechanic attempt it?? Where you planning a trip to the beach in it and changed your mind

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dukeboy
Posted 2013-02-25 7:22 AM (#361753 - in reply to #361751)
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d500neil - 2013-02-25 2:13 AM
The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.
The MPG will decrease as well.
Once our cars' rear drums are pulled and the bearings and seals are serviced, there should be no reason to have
to re-pull the brakes again....replacing the rear axle assembly is an exercise in wasting time and money....but,
it's your time, and your money.


Maybe in YOUR car but again that's YOUR car and if he wants to upgrade HIS car then I don't see why you have to turn every thread that does not go your way into belittling of the person who does not agree with you. I do not believe he asked you if it was a waste of time or money. I believe he actually works on his car to!!
I say do the swap if you can find a good deal on a rear I am sure they are out there. I got a pretty good deal on one at Carlisle. Oh if it has no function in the cars why did your mechanic attempt it?? Where you planning a trip the beach in it and changed your mind :laugh:


Amen.
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57chizler
Posted 2013-02-25 5:57 PM (#361845 - in reply to #361725)
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d500neil - 2013-02-24 11:13 PM

The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.


Huh?



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MOPAR-TO-YA
Posted 2013-02-26 2:32 AM (#361928 - in reply to #361845)
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57chizler - 2013-02-25 4:57 PM

d500neil - 2013-02-24 11:13 PM

The Sure Grip has no functional use in our cars, any longer, unless driving our cars daily in winter, on icy roads
or on/in deep sand, or in drag racing, etc., where the loss of traction will be a common or hazardous occurrence.


Huh?
Does that B.S. meter come in a hand held portable unit??? I have much use for one of those!!!.......................MO
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