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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-13 4:06 PM (#307672 - in reply to #247019)
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Tom, you have the absolutely PERFECT time to re-configure those Block Huggers----when the fender is removed!

Years ago, when I had bought a set of them, my shop told me that the front runner conflicted with the motor mount and that the dump conflicted with the torsion bar----looks like that was the truth.

I've had this image for a long time, and don't recall anything about their specific application, but, maybe
these manifolds' design might be of interest to you.

When you do get that manifold to fit, please post up some good images of it, so that we might benefit
from your practical research.

The passenger's side Block Huggers fit fine, but they could benefit from having their runners/collector be
lengthened.

Thank you for your work!



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Posted 2012-02-13 4:44 PM (#307686 - in reply to #247019)
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-02-13 7:14 PM (#307705 - in reply to #307672)
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d500neil - 2012-02-13 4:06 PM Tom, you have the absolutely PERFECT time to re-configure those Block Huggers----when the fender is removed! Years ago, when I had bought a set of them, my shop told me that the front runner conflicted with the motor mount and that the dump conflicted with the torsion bar----looks like that was the truth. I've had this image for a long time, and don't recall anything about their specific application, but, maybe these manifolds' design might be of interest to you. When you do get that manifold to fit, please post up some good images of it, so that we might benefit from your practical research. The passenger's side Block Huggers fit fine, but they could benefit from having their runners/collector be lengthened. Thank you for your work!

In my case, it was the passenger side that had the most clearance issues (with the torsion bar), but it was such a minor clearance issue that somebody else may not have the same problem...if their motor just happens to be about 1/4" more to the driver's side than mine.  But you are right that if the collector flange had been either 1" lower, it probably would have cleared.  If you look at my other thread (that I linked to in my last post) you will see how I solved the problem...and it was a very simple fix.  Now the only problem I have to solve is the motor-mount issue, and that is simply a matter of re-routing that one pipe.

 

Those pictures are interesting, but the only reason it won't work for me is that I have four 'openings' into the collector flange...not three.  But a set of headers like that would solve multiple issues for our cars.   One is the obvious part that the one pipe will clear the motor  mount.  The other LESS obvious benefit is that the collector is centered under the second-from-the-rear exhaust port.  That moves it AWAY from the torsion bar anchor, which is another issue with these cars.  The only problem I can see is that it may cause a problem with clearing the starter motor.

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Posted 2012-02-13 7:49 PM (#307711 - in reply to #307705)
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Well, the front two runners are siamesed together; it would not be difficult, on a 'bench', to join those two runners,
or, maybe (depending upon available space) to have them run parallel to each other.

Not very elegant, but effective.



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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-13 8:58 PM (#307720 - in reply to #247019)
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Here's some headers for the Dodge Magnum, just as some possible inspiration
to you, on your project.



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BarnFind57
Posted 2012-02-14 8:01 AM (#307776 - in reply to #247019)
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Clearance issues can be fixed easy enough when it's that close.

The project is coming along beautifully, Tom.



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d500neil
Posted 2012-02-28 6:26 PM (#310035 - in reply to #247019)
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Dual-siamesed Hedman headers---with Dodge's blessing.



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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-03-04 9:05 PM (#310756 - in reply to #247019)
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OK, I have finished the headers.  I welded them up myself using my flux-core wire-feed welder, but they cam out alright.  I then painted them with VHT Flame-Proof paint from the local auto parts store.

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I'll post photos of them on the car tomorrow.



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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-03-04 9:20 PM (#310761 - in reply to #247019)
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I used this part from Autozone (it was $6.99) to redo the rubber at the trunnion on the drive-shaft.   I had to trim the ends to get at the right diameters, but I think it worked out well.  I'll see if it holds up.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-03-05 10:19 AM (#310836 - in reply to #247019)
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Excellent!

You should send these pics with additional explanation to Sanderson. so that they could fab-up your headers (and compensate you, in a
mutually agreeable manner) so that they could sell complete finished products to needy buyers!

You should also mention that the Poly head engines have different ports (square-ish) and spacings(?) so that Sanderson should get a set of Poly
exhaust manifold gaskets in order to re-create your runners onto the Poly portings.




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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-03-05 10:31 PM (#310935 - in reply to #247019)
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Here are the headers installed on the car.

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And here is the progress on the motor so far.  Starting to look like something that might actually run!  Hope to start it soon.

 

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Posted 2012-03-26 3:48 PM (#313917 - in reply to #310935)
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See you got her done on the exhaust part. Did you figure out how much ground clearance will result under exhaust? I have basically the same car as you (57 D500 Lancer) and so following your project with interest. You must be getting anxious to fire it up. I was trying to find a picture of hemi PS bracket that shows up in nice contrast like it does on your photo. Now at least I know what the brackets look like.

My car came with manual steering and brakes, unlike yours. I was going to just leave it like that, but I stumbled across the PB setup and the PS sector and an extra dash, gauges, heater assembly for a price I could not refuse when I went to get some reproduction underfloor seat reinforcements. Last week I got a matching PS pump off Ebay, however it came off a 318 poly so not sure whether the bracketry will fit the hemi., but at least with your photo I can see how it is supposed to fit.

In your pic I see you also appear to have disk brakes installed and have fit a Mopar alternator to it. Do yo have any threads on the brake install? Can you tell me where you got the the brackets for the alternator. Is that a modified alternator with an internal regulator or are you using a separate voltage regulator?
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Posted 2012-03-26 4:26 PM (#313925 - in reply to #304812)
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I had not read this part of your project thread until now, but I agree with the visual impression you expressed of the factory paint job on the motor: just a bit much too much silver and the guy who gets the car after me can repaint those 2 parts if he wants to anyway...). I did my block, pan and heads silver as well as water pump housing, but decided to do my valley cover and timing cover in red same as the valve covers and I like the way that looks. To each their own I guess, but I am fixing the car for me, so I do what appeals to me, but try to keep all the stock parts together so if someone else wants all the stock pieces back on someday, it can be done.

But then I got a finned cover for valley so now have to paint red between the raised fins or that will disappear in all the silver/aluminum shades too. But, I guess I can repaint the stock cover silver to keep with stock bell type damper, stock single point ignition and stock air cleaner if I don't end up using it on the car.

ThomasD500 - 2012-01-22 8:45 PM Yeah, I know it's not correct, but I thought the black tins would provide a nice contrast to the silver/aluminum paint
I am just not that enamored with the all silver engines that I have seen. It's just too much silver for my tastes.

For the aluminum, I used the Duplicolor Ceramic High Heat 'aluminum' paint. I painted the aluminum bellhousing parts with their 'cast aluminum' paint. It looks real nice without the extra shininess of the 'aluminum' paint. They also make a 'cast iron' paint and I used that on the cast iron transmission body. If I had discovered it earlier, I would have used it on the axle housing, too. I've seen people paint the rear axle gloss back, but wasn't sure if that was technically correct. My axle was plenty 'scared' from use on dirt and gravel roads (or no roads at all...this is an original SW Georgia car,,,very rural) and I think the very thick semi-gloss paint that I used looks better than gloss would have.
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Posted 2012-03-29 8:56 PM (#314443 - in reply to #313917)
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Brushwolf - 2012-03-26 3:48 PM See you got her done on the exhaust part. Did you figure out how much ground clearance will result under exhaust? I have basically the same car as you (57 D500 Lancer) and so following your project with interest. You must be getting anxious to fire it up. I was trying to find a picture of hemi PS bracket that shows up in nice contrast like it does on your photo. Now at least I know what the brackets look like. My car came with manual steering and brakes, unlike yours. I was going to just leave it like that, but I stumbled across the PB setup and the PS sector and an extra dash, gauges, heater assembly for a price I could not refuse when I went to get some reproduction underfloor seat reinforcements. Last week I got a matching PS pump off Ebay, however it came off a 318 poly so not sure whether the bracketry will fit the hemi., but at least with your photo I can see how it is supposed to fit. In your pic I see you also appear to have disk brakes installed and have fit a Mopar alternator to it. Do yo have any threads on the brake install? Can you tell me where you got the the brackets for the alternator. Is that a modified alternator with an internal regulator or are you using a separate voltage regulator?

 

As for exhaust, I have some pictures of the install (it's all in there now) but they are on my phone right now.  Clearance is not going to be an issue.  I noticed on all the 'stock' exhaust installs that the pipes rap around underneath the torsion bars.  Mine goes no lower than that.  A picture is worth a thousand words when I get those posted.

I do have a thread for the disk breaks.  http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37689&...

The alternator is a 60-67 version with the external voltage regulator.  The bracket that I used is a generic one that I bought at Advanced Auto.  It was hanging in the row with all the other cheesy chrome plated parts that they sell.  I cut it in half and drilled some holes to come up with what you see.



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Posted 2012-06-09 9:05 PM (#324995 - in reply to #247019)
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Haven't updated in a while, but making progress.

I have painted everything but the front clip.  Painted the white last weekend, and have painted the first coat of red today.  Has plenty of dust and runs in the paint, so I am going to sand those out tomorrow and then get the second coat on either late tomorrow or Monday.

Also have some pics of the exhaust, although I don't have it fitting quite right yet (bought a complete ss exhaust for a b-body, with dual Magnaflow 24" mufflers.)  It's on there for now and sounds good, but it runs too close to the floor pan and I need to drop it an inch or two where it exits from behind the transmission cross-brace.

 

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 Still need to move the exhaust pipe back to get proper clearance.

 

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 Still need to make changes so that the system is a little lower. It's too close to the driveshaft.

 

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Posted 2012-06-10 6:56 PM (#325106 - in reply to #247019)
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Got the second coat on and it went much better.  Only one run and only light dust in the paint.

Next I have to do the body work and paint the front clip.

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Posted 2012-06-11 10:50 PM (#325253 - in reply to #247019)
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Posted 2012-06-12 2:16 AM (#325265 - in reply to #247019)
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This car has come a very long way, you should be very proud! I hope you'll be able to post a vid of it running, I'd sure love to hear that beast!
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Posted 2012-06-12 2:45 AM (#325268 - in reply to #247019)
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Very nice work. Looking real sharp.
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Posted 2012-06-12 3:08 AM (#325269 - in reply to #247019)
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perfect job, until now. Looks great
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Posted 2012-09-04 10:19 PM (#337550 - in reply to #247019)
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I was 'restoring' my speedo today. My original worked great, but visually was pretty bad. The clear plastic face is badly cracked and crazed and fell apart when I removed it. The drum is badly faded.

Many years ago I bought another speedo from Ebay. Unfortunately, I had a house fire many years ago and this one got 'smoked'. Not burnt but covered in smoke.

Anyway, it turns out the one I got on Ebay is a 130mph speedo! I polished the clear plastic lens and it turned out good. The drum is excellent. But the mechanism where the speedo cable goes in is completely frozen. I've got it soaking in solvent right now, but don't know if that will free it up. I could use the mechanism from my original speedo, but it my not register the correct speed.

The differences between the 120 and 130mp speedo are in the clear lens and the drum. The actual 'slot' that the drum is seen thru is the same for both. They are constructed a little differently. The earlier 130 has the lens 'crimped' into place and the later 120 is held together with screws. The 120mph speedo was produced in Mar '57 and the 130mph speedo in Jan '57. Photobucket Photobucket



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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-05 12:23 AM (#337572 - in reply to #247019)
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Check this thread....


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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-10-08 9:11 PM (#342284 - in reply to #247019)
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Got the dash mostly together.  And the engine bay mostly done.

Other than the usual fine tuning issues, all the major mechanical systems are done.  Except for the lack of something to sit one and the lack of a front clip, I could drive this thing around.

 





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Brushwolf
Posted 2012-10-10 4:11 PM (#342538 - in reply to #342284)
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Looking good... Was your steering wheel that good all along, or did you re-finish or replace it? I also have a near-new 600CFM Edelbrock that I was planning on using (and see if that is too much for it), although I have the Carter and a similar Desoto Carter in case I need any parts beyond kit. But, it looks like in order to use the Edelbrock I will have to modify an adapter plate recently purchased from Speedway, since it does not have the smaller set of holes for early intake pattern.

There are impressions cast into both sides of adapter plate where it can be drilled, but as purchased does not have any actual holes there and must be drilled with plan in mind to keep fasteners flush with top of adapter when attached. That what you did? Looks like I would have to drill out the four holes, countersink them and then find some tapered-head screws somewhere to fit flush between carb and adapter, and then use one of the two outer sets of holes to install bolts with recessed nuts from included fasteners to hold carb to adapter. Wasn't neck of Edelbrock about 3/4 inch larger than neck of the early Carter also? See you have factory air cleaner back on there now... That been modified to fit?
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Posted 2012-10-10 4:28 PM (#342541 - in reply to #342538)
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I'll be watching with interest to see what you do with the interior, since my interior is identical to yours (except the fabric is not even torn on my back seat). As you mentioned, I also want my interior to look very similar to original, but not prepared to spend an unlimited amount of money on ultra-expensive upholstery material to do so. A reasonable facsimile of vinyl, piping and fabric is close enough for me, if its too darn expensive.

I have printed your whole thread out with all the posts and pictures and put it in a big 57 Dodge 3 ring binder for an additional reference w/o having computer in garage, since our cars are the same except for yours coming with PS,PB,PW and mine being manual all-of-the-above. Mine was single color (charcoal) outside though, and I plan on changing that to either red & white as yours, or possibly red & charcoal as I had a Coronet Lancer like that when I was 17. Was going to leave my CRL with original manual steering and brakes (simpler), but stumbled across deal I could not refuse on the PS PB set-ups, so will add those as well as front disks.

Hopefully I will not run across power window setup too, cuz fine with simplicity and reliability of crank windows, even in my commuting vehicles.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-10-10 6:20 PM (#342554 - in reply to #247019)
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As for the steering wheel, My original black and white steering wheel was totally disintegrated. This was an all black wheel I bought on EBAY years ago. When I bought it, it was in pretty good condition (at least that's how I remember it!) But when I pulled it out to paint it, it was covered in cracks. So anyway, I used PC-7 epoxy from ACE Hardware to fix the cracks in the usual way (v-grind all cracks before filling w/ epoxy.) Then I painted it black and white as you see it. It's a close enough approximation to original, I suppose. The original wheels with good but yellowish ivory still sell for close to $1000 it seems. Too much for me for an already yellowed (but original) steering wheel.

As for the carb adapter, I bought one way back when (forget where) that already has all the right holes. It was pure bolt on.

The air cleaner has been adapted with some plastic adapters, because the cleaner neck is about 1/2" or so smaller than the carb. However, I'm not sure if the hood is going to close on this combo...all the adapters (for the base of the carb to manifold and the neck to air-cleaner) add about 1.5" or so to the height, and it looks like it won't clear. Also, the air-cleaner interferes with the electric choke. So I have some bugs to work out there.

As for the interior...coincidentally, I just ordered 2.5yds of the original black cloth material today...@ $95 a yard! A place called Automotive Interiors (in MA) is redoing the seat covers. I sent my old ones in to them. I'm using their gold and black vinyl for the rest of the covers.
The story behind that is this:
They do mass produced custom seat covers for almost any car. Just like the ones you order from JC Whitney (in fact, they may even make those, but I haven't asked...I believe so because they have the exact same materials/patterns.) And a set of front and rear seat covers would be about $450 plus or minus, depending on the options. But their patterns and materials are not original to the specific car, although they are custom fit (i.e. they should fit your old seats like a glove, BUT the seams will not be in the same place...so they won't look like your originals. And they only use certain materials that they have and no substitutes.)
Since they had one pattern that was fairly close, I called them and talked to a person there (Diane) and asked them if they could make a few modifications to their pattern (which would make it very close.) They said they could, but they have a $75/hr surcharge for modifications, and it can add up fairly quickly. She said it would be CHEAPER if I could just send them my old covers and they would reproduce the patterns straight from my old covers. And the bonus would be that it would be exactly correct. However my old covers were in such bad shape that I was afraid they couldn't even make copies from them. They said If I sent them in, they'd give it a try. And it seems that they will be able to do it. So since I was getting the correct pattern, I decided to splurge on the correct material. I'm still not sure what the final bill will be, but I am expecting it to be less than $1000 which will be worth it. It should be done in 2-3 weeks.

Also, once they have that pattern, there is no reason they should not be able to reproduce it for anyone else with the same pattern. I'll let you know how it turns out and what it costs.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-10-10 6:27 PM (#342555 - in reply to #247019)
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If you look at their 'Classic Design', it's fairly close to our original (for a generic design) and that is what I was going to go with. And I just noticed that they raised their prices!!! (it's now $619) SHe said they were going to starting next year, but it looks like they have already.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2012-10-22 4:41 PM (#344169 - in reply to #247019)
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Got my front and rear windshields in. A pain in the butt, but they're in.

For the rear window, I tried following the '57 shop manual directions. These are the OPPOSITE of every other method of window installation I've ever seen.
The typical installation procedure for most (if not all other cars with a gasket) is to put the window into the gasket and then put the window/gasket assembly into the car, bottom first. Then work the rest of the gasket on (usually with a string) from the bottom up. This way the gasket protects the edge of the glass and gravity works WITH you and not AGAINST you.

However, the shop manual has you put the gasket on the car first, then put the window in the top of the gasket and work it on going down. Absolutely ass-backwards in every way, clumsy, working against gravity and the glass exposed to be easily broken. But, because of the design of the locking gasket, you DO have to put it on the car first and then slip the window in. THe locking portion unlicks the GLASS flange of the gasket and NOT the car part of the flange...thus you have to get it on the car first and the unlocked gasket makes it (somewhat) easier to get the glass in second.

Anyway, for the REAR window I followed the direction from the shop manual and totally failed to get it in. Friggin impossible to get the window into the top part of the gasket and then work it onto the bottom part. Tried for 3 hrs and just couldn't get it. So the second try I ignored the shop manual put it in the bottom first and then the top and it went in like cake in 15 minutes. Gravity was helping me AND everything seem to just fit better this way. I was doing this myself, btw.

For the front windshield, I decided to get a helper because it's a little bigger and I just wanted help getting it into position, but I did require more help than I had anticipated, so I'd say the front windshield is a 2 man job (for us mortals, anyway )
I tried doing it just like I had done with the rear window and NOW I see why they wanted you to put the top in first...For the FRONT, you HAVE TO because of the '57 only trim tabs that stick down to hold the SS trim in place. If you put the bottom in first, the windshield wont clear those tabs,
SO here is what I did to install the front windshield...it's a little complicated:

1. I put the gasket on the windshield (NOT the car as the shop manual instructs.)
2. Worked the gasket (while still on the glass, of course) on to the car flange at the TOP FIRST (you HAVE to do the top first for the '57 for the reason mentioned above.) It's not easy because you are working against gravity and the gasket is very tight going onto the car body (as described above, the gasket is really designed to have the glass put in SECOND, not first.) But I did it this way because gravity kept pulling the gasket off the body if I put it on the body first, making it impossible to get the glass in second.
3. Now you will notice that it would be darn near IMPOSSIBLE to get the bottom part of the gasket onto the car at this point. Not with a string or anything else. It's because of the way the gasket is designed. The locking strip allows the WINDOW part of the gasket to open up, but NOT the car part of the gasket. In fact, having the locking section undone for the window almost seems to close up the car part even more. Also, something about the shape of the window causes the bottom of the window to be about 1" further out from where it needs to be with the gasket on the window and the top and sides in place. It's hard to describe...you just have to see it for yourself (it didn't take a photo.)
SO, at this point I REMOVED the gasket from the BOTTOM edge of the window (while my helper made sure the window stayed in place at the top...remember that part MUST go into place for for '57.)
4. THen with the gasket now OFF the bottom edge of the window, I worked the bottom part of the gasket onto the CAR (again while my helper kept everything together at the top.)
5. THen I worked the bottom of the window into the gasket.
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Posted 2012-10-23 10:40 AM (#344305 - in reply to #247019)
Subject: Re: My '57 Dodge CRL D500 Restoration



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Wow...that's a lot of work that you've completed already. Soooo worth it!

Your car is going to be great! It must be so satisfying to be able to do the work yourself.

Thanks for posting your resto progress, Thomas!

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Posted 2013-02-08 10:19 PM (#359108 - in reply to #247019)
Subject: Re: My '57 Dodge CRL D500 Restoration


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I haven't updated this lately, but I HAVE been working on it. THe photos don't tell much of the story. I got the front clip on and painted. It didn't really turn out that well, so I bought some more paint and painted again. Then I've been slowly polishing the good/decent pieces of trim that I've got and putting it on. Some of my trim is missing, and much of the rest is damaged...some only slightly and some very badly. Still have a few more decent pieces to polish and put on the car.
Anyway, I got the car registered in December but haven't driven it much because I've been working on it.
Tonight I took it to its first car sow...just a local cruise-in. It garnered a lot of attention since it's not the typical '57 Chevy and probably because of the Hemi under the hood.



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Posted 2015-05-17 12:41 PM (#478573 - in reply to #247019)
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Nice car Thomas, any recently taken picĀ“s ? great resto thread but feels uncompleted.......
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