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Location: Aridzona | Both the schematics I have for the '60 Dart, one for the 6 and the other for the 8, show that the wire for the high beam indicator light should be white. Trouble is mine is red. I'm wondering if there might be another schematic. This is where I found the schematics I have been looking at: http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=26 Most everything else has matched up.
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Location: Perth Australia | Red should be for the charge light?
White is what I have (mine is a 60 plymouth dash though) and I have a spare dash harness thats also white for high beam.
If the globe holder with the red wire also has a dk blue as well, it should be the charge light.
It is possible (and highly likely) that your globe holder is an aftermarket replacement, that was done ages ago (they normally came with a red or black wire in the day)
At your headlights, the high beam wire should also be white
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Location: Aridzona | I also have two cars, one parts car, the other is the project. I checked and yes indeed, the high beam light on the dash is powered by a red wire on both.
That's not the only anomoly. I have two light blue wires, one is the fuel sender, the other is paired with a black wire at the bottom corner of the 6 pin connector. The schematic shows the black wire going to the ignition switch. Nothing about the 2nd light blue wire. That's got me nervous since the light blue sender wire goes right to the fuel tank, and when I put the VOM between the two separate light blue wires, they show continuity. |
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Location: Perth Australia | If you look at the schematic, the black wire is ignition and on the instrument light side of the plug, that black wire comes out the plug as 2 wires, 1 black, the other dk blue.
The dk blue one should pair with the red wire for the charge light globe and the black wire is paired with the grey wire for the oil pressure light.
All the other dash and warning lights use a single wire globe holder
Why yours is any different, I got no idea, except as I said earlier, unless someone changed the wiring (repaired it).
You say that the high beam wire is red, does that stay red all the way to the plug?
The only difference I have see so far in the schematic you are useing to the one that I have (mine is in the 60 plymouth service manual), is really just going to be the difference in the dash plug itself.
60 plymouth does not have the fuel and temp gauges near the speedo, so they are not included in the plug, I have also seen in your schematic that the charge light circuit is not included in the dash light plug, so there actually should not be a red in that plug at all.
Looking at your schematic, all the colours in the plug are the same as mine, except the lt blue (fuel) and the violet (temp) wires (neither there on my car), but, mine has a red wire in the plug for the charge light.
On your car, if it has a red wire for the high beam, is it also red on the other side of the plug?
Oh, and the reason both the lt blue ones you said you have ring out (have circuit), is one has a resistance back to earth through the fuel sender unit and the other one (ignition) will track back down to earth through any of the ignition circuits , coil,gauges, radio ect.
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Location: Vancouver, Washington | The 61 Dodge Dart schematic I have shows the high beam wire as red. The dashes are very similiar. Likely someone installed later harness in your car? |
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Location: Aridzona | "You say that the high beam wire is red, does that stay red all the way to the plug? "
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Yes, and it meets a red wire on the mating connector as well.
I also have a red blue combo for the charge light.
As I said, the wiring is identical between the two cars, one 2dr, one 4dr.
Very odd. |
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Location: West Jordan | I have seen many incorrect wiring harnesses and diagrams, I never trust them. The only other thing would be if you have a central plug for the cluster, which I suspect you do. Look at the socket location of the red wire at the plug, it is probably a white wire on the harness side. If not then here is how we fix it when we come across incorrect info, on the diagram we cross out white and write red. |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | This thread is very interesting for me. While I have never had experience with 60 Darts, I have been fabricating repro wiring harnesses for 57-65 Mopars for more than 25 years. I've done several complete car harnesses for 60 Sport Fury converts. I can say that I have never seen a harness that used anything but red wires for the high beam indicator light and all through the high beam circuits. Both sides of every connector.
All AMP double insulated indicator light sockets used red wires from the ARM terminal of the regulator.
We learn stuff every day with these cars!!
Typically, the only lt blue wires in the car are fuel tank sending unit to gauge and power for the handbrake warning light if so equipped. Ignition power feeds are usually dark blue.
BTW, normally there are errors in the wiring harness diagrams used in the specific year service manuals. In the multiple-year manuals published later a lot of these errors have been corrected but one will still find the odd error.
Mick, I have all the OEM terminals and most plastic connectors in stock if you ever need any. Just email me.
Greg
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I should add that almost, if not all of my hundred or so harness patterns were salvaged from Detroit built cars. Other assembly plants sometimes used different suppliers with different specs. I've run into this several times, usually with LA built cars.
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Location: Vancouver, Washington | all the way to the beam selector switch
ab7fh - 2014-04-27 7:36 PM
"You say that the high beam wire is red, does that stay red all the way to the plug? "
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Yes, and it meets a red wire on the mating connector as well.
I also have a red blue combo for the charge light.
As I said, the wiring is identical between the two cars, one 2dr, one 4dr.
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Location: Perth Australia | This is the speedo harness from a 60 plymouth
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dash wires 002.jpg (77KB - 55 downloads)
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I just checked my 60 Ply. harness board and I have egg on my face! You are right, Mick. The white wire to the hi beam indicator light is spliced to the red wire in the main harness at the point where it splits to go to the two sealed beams.
They say ones memory is one of the first things to go!!
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Location: Perth Australia | I cheated Greg, I had a harness that was exceptionallt easy to put my hands on 
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1960 Dart high beam indicator wire?
