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Location: somerville mass | i dont know how to fwd the link but just look under fury in plymouth
category you cant miss it. it's white and looks like a low option car.
look nos orig. correct. not many of these left. the guy wants
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona | moparsteve - 2008-08-14 1:34 AM
i dont know how to fwd the link but just look under fury in plymouth
category you cant miss it. it's white and looks like a low option car.
look nos orig. correct. not many of these left. the guy wants
$49.500 "buy it now". check it out!!!
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Fury-Sport-Fury-1960-Plymou...
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | That is a mighty fine ride! It seems that the engine has been changed to a 62 engine though 38 SP means 38 for 383, S 1962 for passenger engine and the following P means performance |
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Location: bishop, ca | Nope; sorry, Sven: the engine is coded P-38; "P" confirming 1960 corporate model year; "38" is the 383, all-right,
but the "SP" typically means : "Special Police" !!!!!
This Rammie motor may be a beefed up 383......altho it could have come out of, or into, any MoPar having the 383, in 1960 .
Looks like it was cast on 12/21, which is relatively early production.
Edited by d500neil 2008-08-14 8:34 PM
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| Its not a factory built ram car. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hi, Jim; how do you know it's not OEM Rammie; from Darrell Davis' reference book, right?
In that case, what is your interpretation of the seller's 'puffery', on the car?
Any "Plausible Deniability", here?
Edited by d500neil 2008-08-14 10:06 PM
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Location: somerville mass | i had a 60 fury conv that was a good driver presentable with rust in the
late 70's - a 318 - those sonoramics are few and far between and super
rare in any body style. i like the hardtop the best - if i had that kind
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| Hi Neil
I asked the seller if it was a factory built car, and he did not answer. I then asked him for the VIN and he gave it to me. I looked it up in Darrells book, and it was not listed. The only 2 real factory ram cars I've seen for sale recently: White Belvedere hardtop that just was on Ebay 1 of 47 and a super loaded Fury Conv that came out of Mexico that sold at a Texas auction for $238,000 1 of 67 383 Sonoramic Fury Cv with auto trans. There are lots of clones out there. That is one of the reasons Darrell did the book project. |
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| Hello Custom Royal....I own the 1960 Plymouth 383 Sonoramic car and don't remember speaking to you, but let me set the record straight.
I live in Florida and know Darrell Davis. We actually spoke before I purchased this car in Feb 2008. Darrell had actually appraised this exact car for a client in 2003 or so. He told him he believed it to be an authentic factory sonoramic car. All the evidence was there...Original and date code correct 383 "SP" motor, Factory fender cut outs for all long ram cars, HD trans, rare and not reproduced heat tubes under carbs, correct carbs and linkage hardware, HD driveshaft, correct radiator etc.
All the parts showed the correct amount of wear you would expect from a well maintained (unrestored) original low miles car.
Larry mentions this car in his book as the one he would swear is a "real" car, but didn't show when he discovered the factory records of all Sonoramic cars. As a matter of fact, Larry states this car to be the inspiration to begin research for his book.
So what's the deal...why does larry's research show this car to be a 318 from the factory??? He offers a possible explanation. This may be Chrysler's version of a GM COPO car...Central Office Production Order....Yes, it was slated to be a 318, but to fill an order from a Chrysler Executive, the car was pulled from the line and the 383 Sonoramic installed. Plausible?? Possible??
I have subsequently sold the car to a gentleman who was a past president of the North Carolina Mopar Club...He has several Sonoramic cars and will swear this car is as original as they come!!!!
He won't get much of an argument from Larry !!!
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Location: bishop, ca | Hello, Rick!
does anyone have a Broadcast Sheet on this car, or the factory's IBM Build card on it?
It would be interesting to see if this car was Special Ordered or 'sold' in-house to Chrysler Engineering Dept, or to the
Proving Grounds, etc.
When was the car built...prototype or Pilot vehicle, etc?
Is the car's present owner wanting to present it here, for discussion and education?
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I contacted the present owner about a year ago because a friend of mine was looking for a Sonoramic car. He had no interest in selling it and his efforts to authenticate it over the past 6 years have been fruitless!! There is no paperwork of any kind, but he remains convinced the car is "real".....As I mentioned, he has several Cross Ram cars, is very knowledgeable, but solid proof is elusive !!!!! I doubt he has any interest in a forum since his personality is , well, he has none !!!!
I was told by an old factory worker back in the day, Plymouth had no template for the Sonoramic emblems and were more or less eyeballed when installing...Hence, the emblems on either side are NEVER exactly the same distance from the door crease...Most clones would measure EXACTLY on both sides, thinking that's what the factory would do . So, if the emblems are exactly the same on each side they're probably fake!!! Yes, my car's emblems were NOT the same, so there's proof positive LOL!!!
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Interesting. I guess with Mopar, our line is never say never. But,there are a couple things I see in the engine picture that are not factory. Steel line to make up distributor vacuum advance line. Original was plastic, like the one seen on the anti-stall valve. And the wrong fuel lines. The line should run from the filter to the rt side carb junction block. Also, wonder if it has 12 inch brakes? Every original I have seen does. Also, would love to see the brake line from the MC to the junction block. Ram cars are bent a certain way. Would also like to compare the date stamped below the P-38 on the engine pad to the schedule date on the data plate. Wonder how close it is. Also the part number on the rt side pan rail on the transmission should be for the HD unit. Its a beautiful car, would love to examine it!
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Location: North Australia | Awesome Plymouth!.
OK Rick, tell us, how does she perform??
Steve. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Last night, forwarded Rick's message to CustomRoyal and to Darrell Davis, for their thoughts/comments on this car.
Here's Mr. Davis' reply:
Neil: I never appraised any car let alone a 60 Fury with ram induction. I think that this car is one that I saw in Charlotte about ten or twelve years ago.
Pat Goff owned it and sold it at auction in FL a few years ago.
I would need to confirm with serial number to be sure.
Jim, if you still have it, can you PM me this car's VIN?
The fact remains, if this ride is something factory-special, there will be some sort of Broadcast Sheet or IBM card
confirmation of same.
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| Hi Neil.....
Sorry for the delayed response, but I needed to dig out my 1960 Plymouth Sonoramic Commando Guide authored by Darrell Davis....Maybe this will jog his memory. On page #2 , second paragraph I will Quote "One of the factors that prompted me to write this series of books is the number of "recreations" that have appeared in recent times. Those who are serious about these cars deserve to have a reference so that they cannot be sold something that is not what it is represented to be. One of the finest 60 Plymouth Sonoramic equipped cars that I have ever seen, fooled me. It turned out to be a 318 CID equipped car originally. In even had the bolt in inner fender panels that I always look for as the key to telling me the originality of those cars...."
Yes, this is the White car I bought at the RM Auction in Ft. Lauderdale in 2008 after talking to Darrell several times.....It's hard for me to believe Darrell has no recollections of conversations with me or a car he describes as one of the finest he's ever seen, but I guess he's busy selling books!!! |
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| I'm pretty sure this car is about 30 miles from. If it's who I think it is, my dad know the guy well. He has a stable of nice cars for sure. Mr. Commando, are his initials RO? |
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1960 fury sonoramic commando on ebay - nice!!!
