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Location: Parts Unknown | I will always love my cars, but I too am suffering from Forward Look burnout. 
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I have no problems with flogging a car every now and then. In fact, I had my '65 327 CID/375 HP 4-spped Vette (the last year for Rochester mechanical fuel-injection; one of 771 made) indicating 150 on a 160 MPH speedometer on I-25 south of Colorado Springs -- perhaps an honest 143-145 on that old speedo. The dumb thing about that is that the magnificent and classic body style of '63-'67 Sting Rays have a design flaw that develops a lift that will raise the body off the suspension as much as 2-1/2" in the front and 1/2" in the rear. But that happened on a straight-away and no harm done except to scare the holy-livin'-heck out of some flatland touristers. On another occasion, I was punching it to where I had it at 104 at about 4400 RPMs in third gear (at least that's what the officer said my speed was!).
On that same stretch, I celebrated the 50th birthday of my '57 Chrysler 300C (another 375 horse car, but with the 392 CID Hemi) by pegging its 150 MPH speedometer. Again, a styling design flaw with the visored windshield and hooded headlights limits that car's potential -- it was the only letter car not to exceed the speed of its predecessor during Speed Week on the sands of Daytona. I probably got an honest 140-145 out of her.
In the early 90's, I took my SonoRamic Commando-equipped '60 Fury to a Good Guys car show at Pikes Peak International Raceway. One of the highlights of the show was to be able to make three circuits of the track in a double column of cars (20 in each), to limit our speed to 70 and not supposed to pass anyone. I was fortunate to get a "pole position," but some jerk in a hot-rodded '40 Ford tried to get around me. That was a red flag in front of this bull, so I hammered the Big-Tailed Beast. He looked me up later to tell me, "I never thought that big ol' car would be that quick." Another time a "tuner" blew past me on an off-ramp only to stop at a red light. There, he grinned at me while he was revving his rice rocket. When the light changed, he tried to jump me, but my right foot got real heavy and I left him behind, chirping my tires at the shift from low to second (and I didn't even hold it in low, but let it shift on its own). He pulled behind me, then right away turned off on a side street. At the next light, a guy in a Ford pickup pulled alongside, grinning from ear to ear and giving me a "thumbs up." I did the same thing to a sweet young thing in a "Beemer," but she didn't smile. You jus can't beat the torque of those old B-Series Wedges. Incidentally, the BTB has only 120 MPH speedo, so pegging it is no problem.
Joe Godecv
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| 57chizler - 2015-01-15 1:09 PM
Burnouts = Masturbating with a car.
Sounds like a case of "burnout" envy...  |
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Location: Netherlands | Burnout with one wheel = Masturbating in public with a photo of some guy on your other hand.
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Some old fudds drive like they did in the years of the Forward Look and some young guys drive like their old maid aunts did in the '40s. To paraphrase John Paul Jones, "Give me a fast car for I intend to go in harm's way!"
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Location: central Illinois | If you want to do real burnouts, put in a Sure Grip. Otherwise it just looks foolish. |
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it's potential is a whole different enchilada than just standing on the pedals and melting the tires. 
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Location: Dorset, England | Did D500s not have a suregrip as stock then??
Did anything? Imperials?
I had assumed that all the top end models had them as part of the spec. Is that wrong?
Has anyone got figures for how many buyers ticked the suregrip box?
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Location: NorCal | mikes2nd - 2015-01-15 10:38 AM
57chizler - 2015-01-15 1:09 PM
Burnouts = Masturbating with a car.
Sounds like a case of "burnout" envy... : )
Nope. I recognize the fact burnouts are a childish way to show off...nothing more. One-legged 6-cylinder pickups and front drive Japs do some of the best burnouts so what's it prove? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | 57chizler - 2015-01-17 10:49 AM
One-legged 6-cylinder pickups and front drive Japs do some of the best burnouts so what's it prove?
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Well, you make the perfect point. It proves exactly what kind of operator
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Location: Layton, Utah | The 62 Imperial that I just sold and shipped to Germany had a sure grip. The car came from Wyoming, I'm sure they ordered it to help in the snow. One of my 60 Adventurers had it also with 331 ratio, just a 383-2bbl car, not enough power to spin the tires, so I'm sure they ordered it for the same reason, traction in bad weather. They can sure get you into trouble though too, my brother was coming down our hill in his Challenger one winter and the posi got him spinning, he took out a street sign at the bottom and wiped out his rear valance and bumper. He actually came out pretty good on the little ride. |
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This all reminds me of the 1960s when there was a svelte, blond, blue-eyed girl sitting beside me and I was able to experience the smell not only of burning rubber, but also of a very delectable perfume. The girl is not quite as blond as she once was, but she is as svelte as those days when I found her perfume more enchanting than the scent of (yuk!) . . . . ! And, she still is there beside me even when I burn a patch!
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Location: Parts Unknown | Joe,
Had the prevailing attitude back in the day not been that next years' model will be even better, so
why not abuse this one ? .... then many of these great cars would have been taken care of better.
Were our attitudes towards children and perfumed sweethearts given the same use-up-and-replace
attitude, we'd have all ended up in prison. It wasn't until most of those great old cars were trashed
and gone that people began to realize the folly in thinking cars always getting better. There is a reason
you have a replacement 60 Plymouth and it involves burnt rubber and a different paradigm.
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Location: NorCal | Sonoramic60 - 2015-01-17 3:28 PM
Lads --
This all reminds me of the 1960s when there was a svelte, blond, blue-eyed girl sitting beside me and I was able to experience the smell not only of burning rubber, but also of a very delectable perfume.
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Since I subscribe to Teddy Rossevelt's adage, "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat," I doubt I would lived much differently. I have fond memories of drag racing the first Big-Tailed Beast that I would not trade for a million dollars. Life is a series of trade-offs as while my knees are shot because of football, I did get to marry that cheerleader and though I was dumb enough to volunteer for that South East Asian fracas in the 1960s, I still have contact with friends I made back then.
Joe
PS, You might be amused by the ribbing I get from a couple of friends whom I met through our interest in cars; since they were into SCCA stuff, they insisted they were not only better drivers than I, but also better than the NASCAR or Indy guys since they knew how to make right turns as well as left ones.
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Location: northern germany | Sonoramic60 - 2015-01-15 12:23 PM
Lads --
I have no problems with flogging a car every now and then. In fact, I had my '65 327 CID/375 HP 4-spped Vette (the last year for Rochester mechanical fuel-injection; one of 771 made) indicating 150 on a 160 MPH speedometer on I-25 south of Colorado Springs -- perhaps an honest 143-145 on that old speedo. The dumb thing about that is that the magnificent and classic body style of '63-'67 Sting Rays have a design flaw that develops a lift that will raise the body off the suspension as much as 2-1/2" in the front and 1/2" in the rear. But that happened on a straight-away and no harm done except to scare the holy-livin'-heck out of some flatland touristers. On another occasion, I was punching it to where I had it at 104 at about 4400 RPMs in third gear (at least that's what the officer said my speed was!).
On that same stretch, I celebrated the 50th birthday of my '57 Chrysler 300C (another 375 horse car, but with the 392 CID Hemi) by pegging its 150 MPH speedometer. Again, a styling design flaw with the visored windshield and hooded headlights limits that car's potential -- it was the only letter car not to exceed the speed of its predecessor during Speed Week on the sands of Daytona. I probably got an honest 140-145 out of her.
In the early 90's, I took my SonoRamic Commando-equipped '60 Fury to a Good Guys car show at Pikes Peak International Raceway. One of the highlights of the show was to be able to make three circuits of the track in a double column of cars (20 in each), to limit our speed to 70 and not supposed to pass anyone. I was fortunate to get a "pole position," but some jerk in a hot-rodded '40 Ford tried to get around me. That was a red flag in front of this bull, so I hammered the Big-Tailed Beast. He looked me up later to tell me, "I never thought that big ol' car would be that quick." Another time a "tuner" blew past me on an off-ramp only to stop at a red light. There, he grinned at me while he was revving his rice rocket. When the light changed, he tried to jump me, but my right foot got real heavy and I left him behind, chirping my tires at the shift from low to second (and I didn't even hold it in low, but let it shift on its own). He pulled behind me, then right away turned off on a side street. At the next light, a guy in a Ford pickup pulled alongside, grinning from ear to ear and giving me a "thumbs up." I did the same thing to a sweet young thing in a "Beemer," but she didn't smile. You jus can't beat the torque of those old B-Series Wedges. Incidentally, the BTB has only 120 MPH speedo, so pegging it is no problem.
Joe Godecv
keep talking joe, keep talking! i have many memories like that. they still make me smile:) except once (against a fiberglass hotrod) i never lost a race with my 60 fury, in almost 27 years.
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I've been very fortunate. I have memories that I wouldn't sell for a billion dollars, though I wouldn't take a billion to relive them.
BTW, if you guys would like to see some real burnout, check [HOONIGAN] KEN BLOCK'S GYMKHANA SEVEN: WILD IN THE STREETS OF LOS ANGELES on YouTube.
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Location: NorCal | Sonoramic60 - 2015-01-18 12:35 PM
I have fond memories of drag racing the first Big-Tailed Beast that I would not trade for a million dollars.
When I started drag racing in the fifties the only time the tires smoked was when the car was moving down the track; the smoke was due to inadequate tires. Top fuel dragsters smoked the tires the entire length of the track and that's the only time that I thought tire smoke (rooster tailing) was exciting to watch.
Later, when pre-run burnouts became the norm I begrudged the waste of time but at least they had a purpose.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I can renovate the TF-cast iron hogs - that is if they're not totally shot internally in fact, I renovate differentials a well; Keep on burning that rubber 
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Location: northern germany | i can't stand standing burn outs. they make me cringe. but i like rolling burnouts (not braking) the faster the better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLOLi_Ex-Q
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Location: Netherlands | Short & sweet... not wasting rubber;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_tZ_BxZqP8
Just some short audible wheelspin;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psrQ9iQLvvw
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I agree completely. I didn't start drag racing until 1960 and in those days, things were very, VERY(!) primitive. The magic number for what we called "rails" or "slingshots" was 200 MPH in the quarter and there were all kinds of different cars and engines trying to do this; for example, there were cars like Art Arfons "Green Monsters" (one of which had an F-104 jet engine -- it could hit some 225, but took about 17 miles to stop!), Tommy Ivo and his 4-wheel drive machine powered by four Buick nail-head engines, and other cars hooked up to all sorts of aircraft engines, mostly in-line Allisons or Roll-Royce Merlins. But, as you so well said, the tires were the big problem. In fact, in the Stock classes, we had to have street tires, although some guys were able to get what we then called "cheater slicks," or wider profile tires with a minimal tread design -- generally a couple of narrow grooves about an inch from each sidewall. The rest of us amateurs just used the tires that were on our cars during the entire year. Even some of the big "rails" had white walls!
This condition prevailed for quite some time as I believe one of the problems with 426 Hemi Superbirds and Daytonas of the early 70s dealt with tires of the time.
Incidentally, the last time I actually was in competition on a strip was in 1961 in the A/SA class up at the old Continental Divide Raceway in Castle Rock, Colorado. The first competitor I drew was a guy that trailered in a ratty looking ugly green '60 Savoy 2-dr post. I kinda looked the car over in the pits, but I never got the driver's name. From What could tell, it was 383 CID ram car like mine, but he had tuned exhaust headers (mine were just the cheapo Hedmans), possibly manifolds with shortened inner dividing walls, and some real cheater slicks. He also must have had 4.56s in the rear (mine were 4.10s); plus, he reworked his trans so it didn't shift from Second to Drive as soon as mine did. As a result, when the flagman (yup, flagman -- not the "Christmas Tree") dropped his flag, I was able to get a slight jump on him, but only a slight one and once he got rolling, that was all she wrote. He must have taken me by 20 or more lengths. I was so humiliated, I didn't even put the covers on my Lakes Pipes back on and just threw my gear in and beat a hasty retreat.
In contrast, I was given a chance to display my current BTB at the 2012 Mile High Nationals at the Bandimere facility in Denver. This carried with it an opportunity to get "up-close-and-personal" with those cars at the starting line. Since my drag racing days ended LONG before, I had no idea what was going to happen. When those cars took off, I swear the earth shook and even in daylight, I saw flames out the exhausts! They would hit 320-330 in 1000 feet, while I was ecstatic if I could get 95 in a full quarter. Most impressive.
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