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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | I mean this with all respect, but if you're asking for advice about the mechanicals on your car, it might make sense to tell the group what year, make and model your car is, and what drive line it has, etc. Even if you think everyone knows your ride. Ex: "Will a 427 Hemi mated to a push button Powerflite (that's an extreme example, btw, not advisable and would require more re-engineering than I can imagine) bolt right into my car?" What car? You kinda need to say what car you have to get a real answer from as many engineers on here, as possible. There are major changes in compatibility between Imperials and everything else, 1955-6 FL cars, 1957-9 FL cars, 60-62 FL cars, and then later MoPars. Eg: "Will a 383 B block with a 727 Torqueflite from a 63 Chrysler fit in my 1958 Plymouth Plaza 2 door sedan that was originally an L head 6 manual speed car?" Anything can fit almost anywhere, but sometimes it's a simple bolt-in, and sometimes it would cost $20K and ruin your car. Just a thought. |
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Location: Valley Forge, Pa. | I don't know what thread put you to this point, but for me, this was the WHOLE point of joining this forum. If I knew all the answers and knew how to ask all the questions then I guess I wouldn't need any of you. I totally understand what you are saying but even at 61 years old, and I REALLY DO TRY, I am basically ignorant and still need your help.
9 years ago, one of the first questions I asked at this forum was about my motor and I got back a couple unhappy answers such as, "it is an engine not a motor" and how a motor is electric, ect. I wondered what gM, pMd, or Mopar, ect. stood for? I was totally imtimidated and was afraid to ask any questions. [For those of you that want to correct me, as I recall, a "motor" is anything that makes movement or something like that. A sail on a boat is a motor]. Anyway, 75% of us do not know all the answers or how to ask. Please, ask us questions and then use that info to help.
Bottom line, WE are all are the most important people of this forum. Be proud of your knowledge and strut your stuff and help us if you can.
Sorry and no disrespect to you or anyone in this forum but I wonder how many people come here for help and are afraid to ask? |
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Location: York County, PA | Your right Karl, People who know it all or think they know it all can be very rude and condecending to those of don't know as much as they do. I have spent most of my life as a welder and didn't have the encouragement to get back into the car hobby. I can safely say there is no one in this group that can work metal as well as I can. I am not a motorhead but I am learning, you can teach an old dog new tricks. I have learned to ignore those who act that way because they don't know as much as they think. Daddy used to say if he could buy people for what they were worth and sell them for what they think they are worth he would be a millionaire.
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Location: Perth Australia | I have to say that before I came on this forum, I didnt know that most of these cars even existed
I came because I bought my plymouth and had absolutely no idea about anything about it
Being an auto electrician, I understand wiring ect and these cars are wired relatively simply, buy there are quirky things about them that still make me have to think
A good example would be the recent discussion on the 59 plymouth brake lights stuck on that boiled down (eventually) to the incorrect light bulbs being fitted
If I had the car in front of me, it would have been a 5 Minuit fix, but we got there in the end
Its good to get all the details, but sometimes (as Karl has said) its hard to know exactly what details are relevent
I still have a brake issue with my dodge and if I was asking for help on it, I could go through the entire rebuild of the car as "details", but I think I would loose any help as everyone would get bored crazy by irrelevent detail
Make and model is a good start though 
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Location: Fairfax, Minnesota | JT Vincent - 2015-06-18 12:33 AM I mean this with all respect, but if you're asking for advice about the mechanicals on your car, it might make sense to tell the group what year, make and model your car is, and what drive line it has, etc. Even if you think everyone knows your ride. Ex: "Will a 427 Hemi mated to a push button Powerflite (that's an extreme example, btw, not advisable and would require more re-engineering than I can imagine) bolt right into my car?" What car? You kinda need to say what car you have to get a real answer from as many engineers on here, as possible. There are major changes in compatibility between Imperials and everything else, 1955-6 FL cars, 1957-9 FL cars, 60-62 FL cars, and then later MoPars. Eg: "Will a 383 B block with a 727 Torqueflite from a 63 Chrysler fit in my 1958 Plymouth Plaza 2 door sedan that was originally an L head 6 manual speed car?" Anything can fit almost anywhere, but sometimes it's a simple bolt-in, and sometimes it would cost $20K and ruin your car. Just a thought. Yep, I've done it and felt stupid. I was super excited about whatever I was into and just knocked out a post with important information missing. I can see where members that help as often as possible can become a little frustrated after having to ask the same questions over and over. Your post is a great reminder to all of us - new or old and forgetful. Thanks |
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Location: Arizona | Another item some people may not realize they can use to find out a great deal of info is the SEARCH function. A lot of questions have been asked before and there could be long threads on solutions to problems just waiting to be read. |
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I find this whole business of terminology as rather interesting, if a bit mundane. Different segments of society (at all social and educational levels thereof) place completely different meanings on words. At one time, I had aspirations of becoming an aeronautical engineer and I was informed in no uncertain terms that "motors" were electric devices and aircraft used petroleum based fuels for combustion in reciprocating or turbine "engines." I made an impression with the prof when I pointed out that from their earliest use, siege weapons (i.e., catapults, onagers, ballistas, trebuchets, etc.) were called "engines." Unfortunately, the impression was not favorable and I changed majors. I also made the mistake of calling that stuff under our feet "dirt"; to engineers, it's "soil."
Then, I'm sure there are a few us who learned the hard way not to call a rifle a "gun" ("This my rifle. This is my gun. This is for shootin' and this is for fun."). There was also a hard-bitten lifer E-5 who barely was able to get a GED, but who cut a freshly minted second john down to size with, "Sir, them VCs ain't as dangerous as a second lieutenant with a map and a compass."
In the '60s, I took my mini-skirted wife on board a Navy frigate. Of course, the swabbies loved that and even more when she went up to an old Chief Boatswain's Mate that probably enlisted before Pearl Harbor and asked, "Sir, where does this BOAT go?" He about choked to keep his control. Nonetheless, it is popular nowadays with navy aviators to refer their ships as "boats."
Personally, I like to refer to myself as an "expert" with the definition that "ex" is a has-been (I'm 72) and "spurt" is a drip under pressure. As the old saying goes, "The most important things you learn are those that you learn after you think you know everything."
Since I hotrodded the heck out of '60 SonoRamic Commando equipped Fury in 1960-1964, I thought I was pretty well up on the car, but even in spite of the fact that the one I have has been in my garage since 2000, I still find an awful lot of new info on those cars.
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Location: York County, PA | I raced 1960 Dodge Darts on makeshift 1/4 mile tracks, I raced against 350 Chevies and beat them all. I'm the same age as Joe and there are things on the forum I know nothing about and just fly by the seat of my pants. I try to help whenever I can and when I need help I don't always know where to look or how to ask. Sometimes it comes off as being a real dork and I am sorry for that. we are not all well versed I computers. Thank you for your patience.
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | I certainly wasn't trying to be rude. I'm just saying it's easier to figure stuff out with a basic starting place. I've been wrenching FL cars for 30 years and I learned from the original masters. I'm not always right, and I've made catastrophic engineering mistakes...but I don't love guessing when it can effect people's safety and/or financial security. I'm not talking about confusing a quarter panel with a fender or an engine from a motor (motor and engine can be used as synonyms in North American English, BTW--a mechanical or electrical device that creates motion). It's not about snooty things like precise terminology. This was not my point. I'm just saying it's easier to lend a hand when afforded basic identifying information about the issue. The same kind of info you'd ask the parts person at the car parts store. There is a lot of interchange in 1955-61 MoPar cars, but there are also gigantic technological differences, as well. I've learned a few mechanical tricks that could save someone's afternoon, hand, relationship, sense of self control, etc. I quite enjoy trying to help where I can with my limited abilities, but, as they say, context is everything, and tone doesn't resonate as well in written language as it does face-to-face. Break down: what kind of car are we talking about? Year, make, model, engine type... you know? This isn't a challenging idea.
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It's all a matter of semantics in that each of us are products of our environments. To this day, because of that prof back in 1960, I can only speak of gasoline "ENGINES" and electrical "MOTORS" -- it's strictly a Pavlovic reaction in my case, but also an illustration of the fact that English is a living language and is constantly changing. There's an old song (very old -- it was written even before I was born) that goes, "You say 'EE-ther', I say 'EYE-ther.' Let's call the whole thing off!", but it ends with "Let's call the calling off, off." You made the most important thing clear in that we have to make sure we make sure we give as an accurate presentation of the problem as we possibly can (and even then we can foul up -- this so-called "authority" on '60 Furys didn't know how many different oil pans there were on those cars until this year!).
Joe
PS, Interesting point about "North American English." George Bernard Shaw once that the United States and Great Britain were divided by a common language.
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | I understand your point, Joe. BTW, seing as context seems to be a nexus point of this conversation-- I'm Scottish, and North American English is a second language to me. |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | how does one equate motor car or motor coach --------------------------------------------------later |
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Location: SD | 60 dart - 2015-06-25 3:14 AM
how does one equate motor car or motor coach --------------------------------------------------later
Right. Also, Ford Motor Co, General Motors, etc. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Mopar is easy
MOtor PARts
I was always taught the same thing
A motor was an electrical (well) motor, while engine was a mechanical one
A car had an engine, and a sewing machine had a motor
Going by the Pommie shows we have and have had here (Like Minder), they called a whole car a "Motor"
Guess it all depends on where you come from
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Location: Indiana | jimntempe - 2015-06-20 8:32 PM
Another item some people may not realize they can use to find out a great deal of info is the SEARCH function.
i personally DISAGREE...
i've TRIED i don't know how many times to use the "search" function on this forum and it SUCKS as far as the results it returns...
it's not just THIS forum but dang near ALL forums, the "search" function SUCKS...
what *I* have found to be MUCH more helpful is GOOGLE but include 'Forward Look Network' in the search field...
GOOGLE will find results on THIS forum *MUCH* better than the d@mn "search" function!... but anywhoo... |
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Location: Arizona | One of the problems with the search function on this forum is that if the number of hits is too big it won't show the ones for threads that are "farther down" the list of forums. So you may need to search the first third of the possible forums, then do the middle third, then the last third. I'll have to try the google method.. I have done google searches and had it pull up stuff from here. |
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Google also has a way that you tell it to only return results on "www.forwardlook.net"
i stopped using forum "search" functions a long time ago, they NEVER work right, they ALWAYS take 30 times longer than a "real" search engine, etc |
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Location: Indiana | Also, Ford Motor Co, General Motors, etc.
MOtor PARts
how 'bout motor oil?
don't think i've ever seen a quart of engine oil |
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Location: Fairfax, Minnesota | FwdLk56 - 2015-07-14 4:51 PM Google also has a way that you tell it to only return results on "www.forwardlook.net" /QUOTE] More information please. |
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Just a thought about identifying your car...
