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59 in Calif
Posted 2015-07-06 8:04 PM (#483777)
Subject: Steering geometry solved


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Location: Hayward, Calif		Hey Guys, I think I can now lay some of these ?'s to rest. I got the rebuilt P/S box back, ( $600 including sales tax, thought that a bit pricey, but done locally & didn't have to ship it anywhere ), and mounted, and attached to center link. I took measurements and it is straight across and parallel with the crossmember. It does tweek out a bit at the extreme ends of turning radius. I had to grind a bit off the ends of the strut rods so the axel stops would make contact just before the end of the P/S box travel. I used the 59 Chry pittman arm that came with the P/S box and the 63 Chry idler arm. They seemed to be compatable. So will see what they have to say when I get it to the alinement shop. Jerry



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GregCon
Posted 2015-07-06 9:39 PM (#483782 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: Houston		Jeez that's a lot of bread. I paid Firm Feel around $350 to do mine.
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d500neil
Posted 2015-07-06 11:51 PM (#483792 - in reply to #483782)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: bishop, ca		Those are 11x3" Bendix Duo Servo brakes, right?

They really need their brake self-adjusting mechanisms to be installed, too....available on the intraweb, now.

Awesome brake response...be sure to buy from Firm Feel their Carbon Metallic brake shoes, too.





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JT Vincent
Posted 2015-07-06 11:53 PM (#483793 - in reply to #483782)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		Looks like a nice job, you're doing. Did you have the box rebuilt because it was leaking, or played out? I think the Pitman arms are the same for 57-64 (?) PS boxes across the whole series of cars (P,D, D, C, I) but I don't know that for a fact. Even the 57 connical type boxes... My 57 DeSoto has a ConstantControl setup from a 61 New Yorker (except the pump). Geometry seems on, although the turning radius seems too broad.
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d500neil
Posted 2015-07-07 12:09 AM (#483796 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: RE: Steering geometry solved



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Location: bishop, ca		Picks....

These have the Firm Feel 11x3" carbon-metallic linings installed on them, and the current Chinese 1-piece
drums, too, and, the self-adjusting brake mechanisms....




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JT Vincent
Posted 2015-07-07 1:37 AM (#483813 - in reply to #483796)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		Neil, is that your 57? Where is the lower cylinder? Is that a later front drum design?
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59 in Calif
Posted 2015-07-07 2:25 AM (#483817 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved


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Location: Hayward, Calif		I had the box rebuilt simply because I didn't want to take the chance of a problem later. Then have to deal with an engine and fenders in the way. Yes, they are 11 x 3" drums and shoes with the self adjusters. I spent 40 years working big trucks ( Mack, KW, etc. ) I saw 1st hand what metallic shoes do to the drums. When the shoes are wore out so was the drum. Yes they will take more heat at the expense of the drum. I buy the most expensive shoes I can get from NAPA. I have never had any overheating or brake problems with their shoes. Since I have greatly increased the brake shoe size on this car, I have also increased braking capabilities. Tomorrow I'l start put all those parts back on the firewall. I should have taken pic's. Jerry
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2015-07-15 5:10 AM (#484523 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: Milano, Italy		Hello jerry this is antonio from Milano Italy.
I am very interested in your front brake solution.
could you be a little more specific on the parts used ?
which truck uses them?
is it a simply swapping of parts or there is more work to do ?
I thank you for any hints you would like to share.
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59 in Calif
Posted 2015-07-16 11:51 AM (#484610 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved


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Location: Hayward, Calif		Hey Lomesome, I got this info from d500neil. and it works ! I got all the parts from a 63 Chry. The ball joints are the same so it was an easy swap. The steering arms (bolted to the spindle) are longer than the 59 Dodge and those arms are not interchangeable. I did use the idler arm from the Chry as it is also slightly longer but seemed compatable with the pitman arm used on the 59 Chry P/S box I installed. The Chry idler arm uses a 5/8 bolt, so I reamed out the mounting bracket to 5/8". The axel stops on the end of the strut rod are also not compatable. But I ground off a little so when the steering arm finally made contact it would do so slightly before the end of the travel off the P/S box. Therefore preventing unneccesary strain inside the box. I'm still about a yr away from getting this car on the road, so theroetically this should work. Jerry
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lonesome mopar
Posted 2015-07-16 1:02 PM (#484614 - in reply to #483777)
Subject: Re: Steering geometry solved



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Location: Milano, Italy		Thanks Jerry.

What interests me are the 3" brake shoes with their relevant drums (spindles to of course)....I guess they got to have a tremendous stopping power.

Unfortunately all this is pipe dreaming to me, as the recent shipping fares have increased so much that it will be impractical to buy a set in Usa and have it shipped here.

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