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| Ok, so the one in my 1960 phoenix makes urine run down my legs whenever I look at it and think that it's keeping my car between the lines. It's gotta go. The question is, what sollution.
Go the OEM route... I don't see them on rock auto, and the ones I found on google were kinda of meh looking, but then again, so is the OEM one. They work ok anyway right?
I've heard there are adapter kits to upgrade these to the late 60's style joint. I like this idea. who sells them?
Are there better sollutions than either that are more positive and smoother? I've seen some stuff for gm and ford that replace the whole shebang with an all metal sollution. I like this, metal is good. Anyone know where to get one for a 1960 phoenix?
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The tongue and groove idea isnt a bad one except for the rubber insulator that Gary Goers reproduces, or you can make your own
If your talking about replacing it with a rag joint, I dont know how you would do that as the steering box supports the bottom of the column on the inside of the firewall, it would take a major re engineer to change nothing
The manual one (I am assuming they are the same as the Aussie one, just backwards) has the steering shaft come strait out of the box without any joint at all
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| that's not what I'm seeing. There is already a rag joint in both of my cars. |
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Location: Perth Australia | So its a manual steer?
The manual box for the US and Aussie will definitely be different, but I thought they were just a mirror of each other
Photos might be in order?
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What's wrong with the existing parts? Rag donut deteriorated? I've seen some universal poly donuts, just a matter of comparing the hole centers with the originals.
Problem with rigid couplers is they don't allow for/aft freedom of movement like the later all-metal pot joints but, if you have fabrication skills, anything is possible. |
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| 57chizler - 2015-06-08 11:33 AM
What's wrong with the existing parts? Rag donut deteriorated?
yeah, and in a big way. In fact, went to move the seneca (parts car) over the weekend and its' rag joint broke. (didn't help that there's no dash and the steering column is just flopping around on the floor board) I'm just thinking that there has to be a better way. The newer style joint looks like the winning ticket to me. The car has power steering. |
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Location: Invermere B.C. Canada - Rocky Mountains | Polybun, take a look at this site; it might take some time to surf through all the possibilities. 
http://www.borgeson.com/ |
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| They don't seem to list anything that isn't for a Ford or a Chevy so screw 'em. |
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| They may have added a link to their Mopar section since the last post. They have steering boxes for 1962-up cars. http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/home.php?cat=143
There was a write-up on these boxes within the past year or two by either Mopar Action or Mopar Muscle. Borgeson makes the boxes, and Bergman Auto Craft sells those boxes and also makes a direct-fit coupler so the whole project is a complete bolt-in. They do also offer a universal coupler that would require some modification. http://bergmanautocraft.com/products.php?cat=1
I spoke with Peter Bergman (owner) on the phone last year and asked whether the boxes will fit 1961-earlier cars. He wasn't sure because he never attempted fitment in earlier cars. If someone here is interested in the idea, sending him pics and measurements would help him determine whether these boxes fit earlier cars. This may be one option for those looking for quick-ratio (14:1), modern feel steering.
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| but if you had read the thread, you would have seen I'm talking about a 1960 phoenix, so.... doesn't do me any good. |
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| Although I have been using this site for a little while, I only have 8 (now 9) posts. You'd think a "Welcome to the Website" or a "Mopar to Ya" might be in order instead of a condescending remark about not reading the thread. But to each his own. You've been registered on this site for a month. I think you'll find that some people on here are more civil. It's not a F**D or Ch**y site.
You have a '60 Phoenix. Got that from the first read through. Your last post forces me to guess what you mean. So let's figure out where I went wrong.
A Phoenix could either be a Dodge Dart Phoenix or a Dodge Phoenix, right? I may be wrong about this, but I was under the impression the former was LHD and the other was RHD. Is yours RHD and that is why the steering box won't work for you? Yes, I DID read the portion of the thread discussing US and Aussie cars. But that was between you and Ttotired, who is in Australia, so it's not very clear whether that discussion arose because of your car or because he's in Australia. It's more reasonable to assume it's because he is in Australia. So, perhaps that is where the misunderstanding lies?
In any event, maybe my initial post wasn't clear enough. Let me clarify:
I am suggesting that someone interested in swapping to a modern power steering box or modifying a coupler call Bergman Auto Craft and discuss with Pete whether or not the Borgeson steering box or the BAC couplers will fit a 1961 and earlier car despite the fact that it is only currently being advertised as fitting 1962-later Mopars. He may not know. He may need you to send him some pictures or take some measurements. Maybe it will work. Maybe it will not. It's an option.
Even if that won't work for your car or doesn't apply to your car, it may apply to someone else. For instance, Old Ray suggested the Borgeson site in the first place. It sounds like he might find the information useful. Maybe he didn't know about the Bergman Auto Craft couplers.
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Polybun, does your car have manual or power steering?
You say power steering a couple of posts up, but the 60 power steering uses what is basically a tongue and groove set up
1960NewYorker413, Welcome to the site
I dont recall your other posts, but that means nothing
The 60 dodge line are all darts except for the matadore and polara, they are a larger wheelbase
There are a number of differences between the Aussie and US phoenix's, but they are still basically the same car
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| ttotired - 2015-06-27 4:38 PM
I am confused now?
Polybun, does your car have manual or power steering?
You say power steering a couple of posts up, but the 60 power steering uses what is basically a tongue and groove set up
1960NewYorker413, Welcome to the site
I dont recall your other posts, but that means nothing
The 60 dodge line are all darts except for the matadore and polara, they are a larger wheelbase
There are a number of differences between the Aussie and US phoenix's, but they are still basically the same car
The confusion is that I have two cars. I have a seneca parts car that is a manual and a phoenix that i'm working on that is power steering. The coupler on the phoenix actually looks pretty decent, I pulled it all apart two weekends ago and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought. After working on the parts car and watching it's coupler desintegrate when I tride to turn the wheels on the car made me really think, "I better have a look at that on the other car!" |
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The manual steering on your parts car, I cant comment on the coupler, as the Aussie set up doesnt have one
The power steering set up I do know a bit about, as my plymouth has one
The Aussie power steering was a power assist system that uses a ram on the drag link on a manual system
The manual and US power steerings are only interchangeable as complete set ups and there are slight wiring differences as well
Complete set ups mean from the horn ring/bar/button to the pitman arm and all in the middle
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I spoke with Peter Bergman (owner) on the phone last year and asked whether the boxes will fit 1961-earlier cars. He wasn't sure because he never attempted fitment in earlier cars.
Sorry for your disappointment at not being properly greeted as a newbie...some folks simply don't take notice of the thread count.
In some cases one year is like a century when it comes to part fitment...the steering box conversions that Borgeson are more for the cars with the "pot joint" steering column connector, not the rag joint connector that's the subject of this thread. But, as I said earlier, if you have some fabrication skills................ |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | The Aussie power steering was a power assist system that uses a ram on the drag link on a manual system ;
sounds similar to the one on a 57 chevrolet . if the hydraulic arm was removed , the steering was manual but the arm had to be removed completely or just disconnected hoses , you'd fight hard
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