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Location: Hayward, Calif | Hey Guys, I'm really coming up with a dead end trying to find this brg kit. Seems no one make it anymore. Anyone know where I can get a block of that plastic stuff and will make my own. I got in touch with Classic Industries, ( southern Calif ), they make these type of bushings but don't have this application or a block big enough so I could make one. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jerry |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Safe-T-Lign-Idler-arm-kit-CK8-1957-58-P... |
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Location: northern germany | i have a NOS nylon bushing kit. good quality $20 + $12 shipping can post pictures |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I'd like to see pics. I have pressed ORIGINAL steel sleeved rubber bushings with drilled grease centre bolts. I have used NORS ball bearing replacement bushings but I have never seen a nylon one. Especially an NOS one!
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | when i did the arm for bertha i used a nos nylon bushing . i think the complete unit might be in my junk drawer/catch all in the garage ------------------------------------------later |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | I hope it is in the junk drawer because it WAS junk!! Or, am I just stuck in the old days?
C'mon, Chuck, the original RB bushings had full thickness. What? Maybe 2 1/2" of full length constant contact with the centre bolt and these nylon ones were just a wafer thickness washer at both ends? I've seen originals squashed out of shape! I can't even imagine how two wafers of nylon could even compete! Or, am I missing something here?
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Well, I have a Jamco "Self-Lubrication" (nylon) kit in use now for more than 6 years of long roadtrips and it's still very tight and good.
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Location: northern germany | LD3 Greg - 2015-06-17 12:35 AM
I hope it is in the junk drawer because it WAS junk!! Or, am I just stuck in the old days?
Or, am I missing something here?
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yes you do. these are BUSHINGS not washers and nothing ever had contact with the "centre bolt" rubber/nylon bushings have an inner sleeve (thanks wiz for posting the picture)
and "old days"? these were common in the 50s. big improvement over rubber.
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Location: Ontario, Canada | That looks better.!! I was looking at the pic that Marc posted.
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Location: Hayward, Calif | Hey Wizard, Where did you get that kit and is it still available ?? Jerry |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | The Jamco kits are still out there somewhere - I got my one on E-pain. I have seen a kit once or twice since then. Here's the carton so that you can see what you're looking for.
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Location: Hayward, Calif | I goolgled Jamco Inc, got a phone # for Southern Calif. They discontinued that part too. I called Kanter in NJ, no good there either. |
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Location: northern germany | wizard - 2015-06-17 3:36 PM
The Jamco kits are still out there somewhere - I got my one on E-pain. I have seen a kit once or twice since then. Here's the carton so that you can see what you're looking for.
its the same type of kit that i have....somewhere, but can't find it. |
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Location: Hayward, Calif | Hey Chuck, Do you remember what that nylon bushing looks like that is in your junk drawer. Was the bolt drilled for a grease zerk ? Does it just set in the mount bracket or use washers between nylon and the mount ends where the bolt goes thru ? Thanks, Jerry |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | no zerk with a solid bolt . the nylon bushing has a collar on one end @ 1/4" wide and a steel bushing inside it --------------------------------------------later |
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Location: Hayward, Calif | Thanks Chuck, OK, I now have plan 'B'. When I got the front brakes/spindles ass'y off that 63 Chry and have them mounted on the 59 Dodge, I also got the center link, end links with the idler arm. It is the same arm as the Dodge but uses a 5/8 bolt instead of 1/2" bolt Dodge uses. The bushing looks the same except the rubber wall thickness is considerable less, thus eliminating the spongy movement of the rubber in the bushing. The only thing is I will have to ream out that 1/2 hole in the mounting bracket to 5/8. There will be over 1/2" of metal from od. of 5/8 to outside edge of the ends of the bracket. I really don't think this will interfer with the integraty of bracket. I ordered a brg kit so will see if it will work, if not will go to plan 'B' I also found out I had to use the Chry tie rod ends as the Chry steering knuckle arms are thicker and the Dodge tie rod ball/stud isn't long enough to get the cotter key thru the nut. Geesees, what an education this has been !!!!! Jerry |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | LD3 Greg - 2015-06-16 11:58 PM
I'd like to see pics. I have pressed ORIGINAL steel sleeved rubber bushings with drilled grease centre bolts. I have used NORS ball bearing replacement bushings but I have never seen a nylon one. Especially an NOS one!
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It would appear to me that this(my) post still prevails!!!
REAL, NOS replacements were RB bushings. Worked just fine for 40 or 50 years!
NORS were ball bearing jobs. Worked perfectly but needed periodic grease.
Nylon, nothing but aftermarket stuff designed for sale over the Internet. NEVER to be confused with real NOS parts.
Just the way I see it!!! You do it your way and I will do it mine!
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Location: Ontario, Canada | There is no way I would pretend to be a front end/alignment specialist but I would argue the point that the factory/spec's for alignment would be the best for "whatever" tires were chosen for installation on any specific car. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Anybody looking for THESE guys???
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l131...
Which one(s), again, should I keep, as spare parts-stock????
If all these guys are 'wrong', then a prospect could continue to monitor this 'page', waiting
for the 'right' parts to appear on it...
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Neil, those ball joint kits should be considered ultimate emergency solution - I have a couple of them, but they're sitting on the shelf more as decoration. In the worst case they could be used until you find a new balll joint - but really those kits dont solve the problem, they hid the symptoms of the problem. |
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Location: northern germany | LD3 Greg - 2015-06-21 12:45 AM
REAL, NOS replacements were RB bushings. Worked just fine for 40 or 50 years!
NORS were ball bearing jobs. Worked perfectly but needed periodic grease.
Just the way I see it!!! You do it your way and I will do it mine!
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just do it "your" way, no problem. but you are wrong. as i already posted, BALL BEARING idler am bushings are obsolete since 1960. when the factory replaced the inferior rubber bushings with ball bearing units and sent out bulletins to the dealers/service station that if a an idler arm requires service the bushing should be replaced with BALL BEARING bushings.
ball joints need periodic greasing too (thats why they last such a long time) more often then the idler arm and how much more work is it to lube the idler arm when the ball joints are serviced? 5 seconds?
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Location: NorCal | LD3 Greg - 2015-06-16 9:35 PM
C'mon, Chuck, the original RB bushings had full thickness. What? Maybe 2 1/2" of full length constant contact with the centre bolt and these nylon ones were just a wafer thickness washer at both ends? I've seen originals squashed out of shape! I can't even imagine how two wafers of nylon could even compete! Or, am I missing something here?
I think you're missing the theory of operation; the original rubber bushings were never intended to rotate around the center bolt but rather the center bolt/sleeve remains stationary while the rubber just twists i.e. the rubber isn't a bearing surface.
All of the plastic/bearing kits allow the bearing surface to rotate around the center bolt. |
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Location: northern germany | 57chizler - 2015-06-21 4:51 PM
LD3 Greg - 2015-06-16 9:35 PM
C'mon, Chuck, the original RB bushings had full thickness. What? Maybe 2 1/2" of full length constant contact with the centre bolt and these nylon ones were just a wafer thickness washer at both ends? I've seen originals squashed out of shape! I can't even imagine how two wafers of nylon could even compete! Or, am I missing something here?
I think you're missing the theory of operation; the original rubber bushings were never intended to rotate around the center bolt but rather the center bolt/sleeve remains stationary while the rubber just twists i.e. the rubber isn't a bearing surface.
All of the plastic/bearing kits allow the bearing surface to rotate around the center bolt.
that is correct but the nylon bushings use a sleeve too that remains stationary. the center bolt never gets in contact with moving parts. which is a good thing. larger bearing surface and impossible to squish the bushing when tightening the center bolt.
the FACTORY ball bearing kits however do not use a full length inner sleeve. that means when you tighten the center bolt you can very easily destroy the tiny ball bearings. you can't really tighten the center bolt and therefore the kit comes with a lock plate.
thats why i fabricated a new kit that uses a sleeve and bigger RADIAL hd ball bearings. these will last forever and are sealed away from dirt and water unlike the factory axial ball bearings and you can't damage them by tightening the center bolt. |
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