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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | Not mine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Fury-Parts-or-Restoration-/2013954...
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Location: Perth Australia | You can sort of see the value in it, but I dont think that will ever be a car again
I think a plaza or a cheap belvie will be the new owners next purchase for a re badge and re birth
What does a genuine top notch 57 fury go for these days?
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| I was actually thinking of picking this up because it's so close to me. Do you guys see it as being able to be saved? |
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Location: Los Angeles, California | If John can restore that 59, someone can restore this not sure how bad the frame or body rust is, but it is all there. |
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Location: Layton, Utah | This thing will need everything. Can you imagine what it looked like when they parked it. What a shame !!! |
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| https://www.flickr.com/photos/133354082@N04/20081278982/in/dateposte...
you can see detailed photos of the car here ^^
I'm new to the whole restoration side of things, so if anyone who is knowledgable could tell me if this car could be saved, please give me some insight! Thank you |
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Location: Ponder, TX | It looks about the same as the '56 I'm still working on. I've been able to make the body solid, but finding good panels or aftermarket parts has been discouraging. I had to make many of my own sheet metal parts and patches and they are not all stock appearing. A '57 should be a bit easier, but you would still have a lot of heartburn and expense making it happen, even if you have the time and skills to do most of the work. That said, it's always satisfying to accomplish the difficult, especially when you do most of it yourself.
Wish I had known about that car twenty years ago when I lived within 10 miles of where it is today. Restoration would have been easy then. |
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Location: Hickory, NC | This car needs a whole hardtop body and possibly frame. Basically using all the Fury specific pieces to recreate the car. With the correct parts, VIN, body tag, and FP stamped Poly engine..no one would be the wiser. And presto you got a bonafide Plymouth Fury! |
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| GaryS - 2015-07-30 12:05 PM
It looks about the same as the '56 I'm still working on. I've been able to make the body solid, but finding good panels or aftermarket parts has been discouraging. I had to make many of my own sheet metal parts and patches and they are not all stock appearing. A '57 should be a bit easier, but you would still have a lot of heartburn and expense making it happen, even if you have the time and skills to do most of the work. That said, it's always satisfying to accomplish the difficult, especially when you do most of it yourself.
Wish I had known about that car twenty years ago when I lived within 10 miles of where it is today. Restoration would have been easy then.
I'm actually about to drive up and take a look at it in person today. Is there anything specific I should look for/need to stay away from? |
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Location: Ponder, TX | The value is mostly going to be in the condition of the unique Fury parts. Fortunately, most of the body trim is stainless and holds up well. Pitted potmetal is expensive to repair. The gold anodized inserts are not available, and if they are all there and not corroded, that's a plus. The speedometer is unique and looks decent in the picture.
With all that black mildew that's typical of Western Washington cars, it's hard to evaluate sheet metal configuration from pictures. If I was going to take on my project again, I'd first do research to see what's available in aftermarket sheet metal. You can probably get poorly fitting floor panels from a couple of sources. The trunk will probably need a donor car. Decent quality fender, door and quarter panel patch panels are probably available, and maybe both inner and outer rocker panels.
You really need the advice from others who have restored '57-'58 Furys to get accurate info about part availability. I'll PM you with some info and comments. |
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| GaryS - 2015-07-30 2:36 PM
The value is mostly going to be in the condition of the unique Fury parts. Fortunately, most of the body trim is stainless and holds up well. Pitted potmetal is expensive to repair. The gold anodized inserts are not available, and if they are all there and not corroded, that's a plus. The speedometer is unique and looks decent in the picture.
With all that black mildew that's typical of Western Washington cars, it's hard to evaluate sheet metal configuration from pictures. If I was going to take on my project again, I'd first do research to see what's available in aftermarket sheet metal. You can probably get poorly fitting floor panels from a couple of sources. The trunk will probably need a donor car. Decent quality fender, door and quarter panel patch panels are probably available, and maybe both inner and outer rocker panels.
You really need the advice from others who have restored '57-'58 Furys to get accurate info about part availability. I'll PM you with some info and comments.
That would be great! Thank you I really appreciate it! It's 11:45am here and I'll be leaving to the guys place in about 30mins so I should be there around 2:30 PT |
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| those gold inserts look shot...everything looks shot... the value is in the bumper wings... that car is a goner...
the fury stainless trim is the only thing that survives, that is worth a fair amount also. |
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Location: Perth Australia | As stated above, from what I can see of it, this is a donor (primary) car for a re birth of a fury
What I have learned here on this site is that there are no identifying numbers stamped onto the body or the frame, therefore, absolutely
no problems to re birth
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Location: little rock, AR | I have a '57 Vert you could do this conversion with. The Bumper wings are worth @ 1k or more.
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| Just got back from his shop where the car is at. He had it on a lift and to be honest, I though it was going to come crumbling down. The whole body is very thin and water logged from being out in the Pacific Northwest elements for 40 years. If you press hard enough in any one certain area, the thing just crumbles. Every area I knocked on the car shattered and left a big pile of rust crackers lol it's definitely way too far gone to be of any use to anyone, and from the looks of where the price is at on eBay, whoever gets it is going to kick themselves for spending that much. |
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Location: Perth Australia | I bet not
The buyer of this car will not care about the car itself, just the fury specific stuff
The body number tag, the engine number, the carburetor tags, things like that to get the date correct and correct numbers to remake another car into a genuine high end fury
Once bought, the next time this cars vin will be seen will be at a barrett & jackson auction, demanding a 100k price and it will look immaculate
This car is a business proposition more than a restoration candidate
Ahhhh to have money
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| I haven't seen such a rusty car lately! Too sad!
ttotired is right - we will see all its numbers and trim on a car that is as brand new, after some time. |
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Location: bishop, ca | It is BOTH a restoration project and a business proposition.
The factory did not care a whit about the extent of the generic-common parts-bin materials that filled-out, or completed, a brand-new 300 or a Fury of a D500...as long as the necessary unique identity tags and components still existed, and were installed on a car, to identify it.
John's and Antonello's and Bo's and Magnus' cars are perfect examples of re-creations, and nobody complains about
the appearance of these rides, once their restorations are completed.
SO, altho this car's present condition MAY be beyond the physical restoration capabilities of many people....like so many OTHER restored' cars that we've seen on this website, this ride CAN be legitimately restored, or re-created, using its remaining existing OEM identity-tags, and components.
If this hulk's OEM frame can be restored, then every necessary and unique Fury component can be recycled, in the re-creation of this car.
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Location: bishop, ca | The existence and the condition of this ride's unique Fury components renders the re-creation of this ride as being
relatively EASY, for an accomplished restorer, who might have access to a parts car...or, who would have the metal-working
restoration talents that many of us are very familiar with.
And, the CONDITION of the remaining hard-trim items on this car are mind bending....they only appear to be DIRTY,
and not corroded, or otherwise un-usable, or un-restorable.
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| 100k for a 57 fury? It looks more like 50-60k for a HT, and nowdays a 2 dr ht donor is 5k-10k and harder to find.
if anything it will be a true "donor" fury in title/vin alone... someone who has a clone going will just swap the vin on it. |
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Location: milano, italy | I don't see this Fury as an impossible project. My 58 was in worse shape, as all exterior sheetmetal had to be changed or reworked. This 57 is rather unmolested, never taken apart and complete. Parts car can be used to restore to good shape. It's expensive,difficult and time consuming. But it's a 57 Fury. |
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Location: Kansas City, Kansas | I bet potential buyers of this car have knocked on the long-time owners door asking to buy it over the decades. The response was probably "Nope! I am going to restore it some day." This is want it became. Sad, really. |
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| antonellomopar - 2015-07-31 8:25 AM
I don't see this Fury as an impossible project. My 58 was in worse shape, as all exterior sheetmetal had to be changed or reworked. This 57 is rather unmolested, never taken apart and complete. Parts car can be used to restore to good shape. It's expensive,difficult and time consuming. But it's a 57 Fury.
Yes but offer this guy 55k and save a three years of your life and 10k.
http://classiccars.com/listings/view/674365/1957-plymouth-fury-for-...
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Location: Layton, Utah | I agree with mikes2nd ! You just don't realize the nightmare you would be tackling. DeSoto lives !!! |
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| This thing was haggard. Quite a bit of the trim was cracked and broken, some stuff was missing. You'd basically be paying 3k+ for a bin plate which is a little ridiculous if you ask me. |
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Location: Connecticut | d500neil - 2015-07-31 4:30 AM John's and Antonello's and Bo's and Magnus' cars are perfect examples of re-creations, and nobody complains about the appearance of these rides, once their restorations are completed. No, their cars are restorations, since the vin plates were not swapped from one car to another. Also, making statements like this, unless you have ample proof, may be libelous, since you are claiming they are creating fake cars by swapping vin tags and data plates. Changing vin tags on a car, no matter how rusty, is illegal in many if not all states. Ron |
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Location: bishop, ca | Libel: NO; no objectively malicious written expression of a known or acknowledged falsehood, which is made for the express
purpose of defaming a living person.
Slander: NO; see above, it is a verbal knowingly-malicious falsehood .
Truth, and the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, provide a complete defense against slander.
Opinions (as opposed to legal precepts and published appellate case reviews) are subject to individual interpretation....
.....which certainly includes the subjective interpretation as to whether any particular, presently-existing car, was
"created" or whether it was "restored".
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Location: Perth Australia | only an hour and a half to go and its at 4k reserve met
anyone want to play the guessing game on the outcome?
I think about $5200
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Location: somerville mass | this car is way too far gone give it up |
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Location: Perth Australia | I think so as well, but to others, this car can be used to make a more base model into the top dog plymouth for 57
To me, it would be like finding a 60 fury sonoramic complete, but rusted out, (if it was here in Aus, the freight to get such a hulk here would kill off any advantage) I could use the parts from the rusty one to make my 318 fury into the top dog
Although, others would be inclined to say that a convertible would be top dog (and they would probably be right), but I prefer the 4drht myself
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Only $4K at 39 min. left? come on guys...bid! Marc. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Wow
Should have put money on it 
No, it wasnt me
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| 5200$... someone bought for parts I bet. |
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| I would considered it if it was at $3800. This thing was beat. |
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Location: Connecticut | Car is relisted. Looks like the guy that bid 5200 backed out. Ron |
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