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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | July 2nd came rather quickly, it was the day I and my wife were to leave for Carlisle, Pa. I had less than 100 miles on the car, and a few minor details were not addressed, but mechanically, the car seemed sound. We left Williams, Ca. in the evening when M'lisa got off work, and drove over Donner summit to a friend's house in Sparks, Nevada, where we stayed the night. Got up bright and early the next day, after it rained the night before. Heading east all was good until the engine began to surge going up some mountains. Then it cleared up for about 100 miles, before finally acting up and dying. Checked to find that the NOS fuel pump had failed, probably the modern gasoline ate the diaphragm. I had a replacement in the trunk, but found the outlet fitting was not compatible with the steel line, so we called the AAA truck, and got a tow 50 miles into Wendover where I fixed it with a piece of rubber fuel hose. Smooth sailing on into Utah then. (Carlisle 2015 003.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 004.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 005.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 006.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 003.JPG (133KB - 115 downloads) Carlisle 2015 004.JPG (128KB - 111 downloads) Carlisle 2015 005.JPG (125KB - 104 downloads) Carlisle 2015 006.JPG (128KB - 109 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Engine surging, or 'starving', under acceleration, is a classic symptom of a fuel pump malfunction, and/or an imminent (or: soon..duh) fuel pump failure. Happened to me at the end of the 2007 trip to/from Tulsa, but, the pump kept soldering on, and never actually failed (maybe, because I was already carrying a spare pump in the car!) You're a brave man, John. Edited by d500neil 2015-08-11 6:31 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 1622 Location: Seville, OH | Or a plugged fuel filter. The only brand new car I ever bought exhibited those symptoms after less than 500 miles. Picked up a bad tank of gas, filter was filled with sludge. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1622 Location: Seville, OH | John, I was heading west on 80 to Sacramento as you headed east. We must have crossed somewhere near the the arch. M'lisa would post where you were, and I would remember passing it. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | What were you driving, Dave? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | After staying near Salt Lake City, we got up bright and early, and passed over the Wyoming state line. Still nice and hot out, so we left the top up. Pulled into Little America [a forbidden 'Tourist trap' according to my father back in the sixties] and fueled up. The farther east we went, the fuel was less and less per gallon! I also discovered a side effect of 'Corn Gas' as the fuel would percolate after shutting the engine down after a long run, and the engine would be flooded when trying to start it. Had to hold the pedal to the floor while cranking in order to clear the excess fuel out. Found the higher percentage of ethanol, the worse the issue was. The topography slowly flattened out as we reached western Nebraska, where corn fields spread for mile after mile. (Carlisle 2015 008.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 009.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 010.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 012.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 013.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 008.JPG (126KB - 113 downloads) Carlisle 2015 009.JPG (129KB - 110 downloads) Carlisle 2015 010.JPG (131KB - 119 downloads) Carlisle 2015 012.JPG (126KB - 127 downloads) Carlisle 2015 013.JPG (128KB - 115 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Nebraska is a long state indeed. Over 450 miles from west to east border. Saw an old service wrecker at a truck stop in eastern Nebraska, but not much else in the way of vintage iron. I'd forgotten about the humidity in the Midwest also, took a bit to acclimate to it. After crossing the Iowa border, decided to drive just a bit more, and we pulled off in Newton, just east of Des Moines. There we found a nice small town and found an older motel to stay at, with a vintage Dairy Queen stand down the street. Nice room, and inexpensive too! (Carlisle 2015 015.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 016.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 018.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 019.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 020.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 022.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 015.JPG (133KB - 114 downloads) Carlisle 2015 016.JPG (136KB - 109 downloads) Carlisle 2015 018.JPG (126KB - 107 downloads) Carlisle 2015 019.JPG (125KB - 112 downloads) Carlisle 2015 020.JPG (126KB - 112 downloads) Carlisle 2015 022.JPG (126KB - 108 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3480 Location: Montreal, Canada | Cool pics, John! Keep 'em coming! | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | Hey John - I love reading about your adventure. Can't wait for the next part. Fuel percolating ? How do you know that this is happening ? Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2015-08-12 7:35 PM Hey John - I love reading about your adventure. Can't wait for the next part. Fuel percolating ? How do you know that this is happening ? Ron Ron, at first I thought the float level may have been too high, so one evening when we had stopped for the night I removed the top of the carb. and rechecked the level, it was fine. Next day after driving a few hundred miles, I removed the air cleaner and looked down the carburetor throat. After a few minutes went by, I could see fuel spitting down the inside of the carb. ---John | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13050 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | You really deserve to enjoy your car John, so much blood, sweat and frustration as well as dough finally paid off! Thanks for the great photos! | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | John - Could your mixture screws be set too rich ? One thing that Daytona Carb mentioned to me when I was tweaking a carb, is to warm up the engine to operating temperature. Then shut it off and look down the air horn. If you see a smoky haze forming, then that indicates fuel dripping in after the engine is shut off. The cure they mentioned is to turn the mixture screws in and retest until that condition disappears. You may have to reset your curb idle and slow idle. This helped me solve a hot starting problem I recently had with my 70 Olds. Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | wizard - 2015-08-13 10:06 AM You really deserve to enjoy your car John, so much blood, sweat and frustration as well as dough finally paid off! Thanks for the great photos! Thanks, Sven!! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2015-08-13 10:07 AM John - Could your mixture screws be set too rich ? One thing that Daytona Carb mentioned to me when I was tweaking a carb, is to warm up the engine to operating temperature. Then shut it off and look down the air horn. If you see a smoky haze forming, then that indicates fuel dripping in after the engine is shut off. The cure they mentioned is to turn the mixture screws in and retest until that condition disappears. You may have to reset your curb idle and slow idle. This helped me solve a hot starting problem I recently had with my 70 Olds. Ron It definitely was not a fuel mixture problem, Ron. At Carlisle I found a phenolic spacer for the carburetor which helped considerably, but the final cure was to block off the exhaust crossover in the intake manifold. I have the choke disconnected, as the choke stove will no longer work properly, but it's been starting fairly easily when cold regardless. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | Yes, I also added a thicker carb-to-intake gasket. Between the two, my hard start issue was mostly solved. Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | John How did you block off the exhaust crossover? I had mine welded up on my 2x4, but it still gets hot I have the same problem and have ordered 2 1" phenolic spacers Did you use an edelbrock carby? I have only ever had this problem with after market carbies | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ttotired - 2015-08-13 4:22 PM John How did you block off the exhaust crossover? I had mine welded up on my 2x4, but it still gets hot I have the same problem and have ordered 2 1" phenolic spacers Did you use an edelbrock carby? I have only ever had this problem with after market carbies Mick, I have the stock Carter AFB carb on it. I special ordered a valley pan with the crossover ports covered, since this is a common problem, the gasket manufacturer [Fel-Pro?] began to make these available. I don't seem to have this trouble much on my Fury with its poly engine though. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Cheers John I dont think they make the same (blocked off) gasket for a poly, at least I didnt find one But getting back on subject I like threads like this, get to see America without make up (not in a movie or TV) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | About 3 A.M we woke up to something we hadn't really heard the last couple years, Thunder! A large storm cell had moved into the area, and the lightning and thunder went on for several hours. The next morning, the rain had slowed down, and we loaded our luggage back up and headed east. About 60 miles from the Illinois border, the skies opened up to a torrential rain. Guess we'd find any leaks in the car! Not too bad considering that we could only see ten feet in front of the car. This heavy downpour continued the next 70 miles or so, had to drive 45 MPH so there was some visibility, and the truck traffic just got heavier and heavier. After a couple hours of this, I pulled off the highway and under the large canopy of a gas station, filled up, and watched the rain come down as we drank our coffee. A few miles into Indiana, it had stopped almost completely, except for scattered showers. All of a sudden, the right side wiper arm stopped in the upright position, so I took the next available exit to see what had happened. turned out the little clip on the wiper pivot decided to exit, but luckily I found it on the carpet. The rain had by now caught back up to us, so I got on the freeway, and drove like a madman to get out from under the black clouds. Finally made it to Indiana with no major excitement, then decided to get off the toll road, and stay in the southern Michigan town of Sturgis for the night. (Carlisle 2015 023.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 024.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 025.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 026.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 023.JPG (126KB - 112 downloads) Carlisle 2015 024.JPG (127KB - 107 downloads) Carlisle 2015 025.JPG (127KB - 109 downloads) Carlisle 2015 026.JPG (125KB - 112 downloads) | ||
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Location: North Australia | Excellent road trip thread with tech info thrown in! John we briefly met at Carlisle, you showed me the beer can you were drinking after I asked about it. Do you have a pic of one of the cans to put up here? You cracked me up! America is a great place to take a road trip, and to do it in a classic car gets bonus points X10. Plus extra points for doing it in a car you rebuilt yourself, plus extra points for doing it in a Convertible! Your car is a beauty, I walked around it at least 10 times! Steve. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2003 Location: Branson, MO | Big M: What an enjoyable read! Just gotta love it. Congratulations on making the trip and reporting. Viper Guy | ||
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Impressive as always, Big M...your car, your talents, and your road trip! Thanks for the info and pic's. Your car is a real head-turner - just beautiful! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | 60 Imp - 2015-08-14 5:06 PM Excellent road trip thread with tech info thrown in! John we briefly met at Carlisle, you showed me the beer can you were drinking after I asked about it. Do you have a pic of one of the cans to put up here? You cracked me up! America is a great place to take a road trip, and to do it in a classic car gets bonus points X10. Plus extra points for doing it in a car you rebuilt yourself, plus extra points for doing it in a Convertible! Your car is a beauty, I walked around it at least 10 times! Steve. It was nice meeting you, Steve. I'll get a photo of the can up shortly, There's a bit of a story behind that, also. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2634 Location: Minor Hill, TN | What was the fuel economy on the '59? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Stephanie, It was rather poor at first due to the fuel percolating issues, as well as a choke stat that began to work backwards, the warmer the engine, the more it would close. I have no idea why, as it seemed fine before leaving. After disconnecting the choke stat and replacing the intake 'Turkey pan' with one that blocked off the exhaust crossover, the mileage doubled. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | 60 Imp - 2015-08-14 5:06 PM Excellent road trip thread with tech info thrown in! John we briefly met at Carlisle, you showed me the beer can you were drinking after I asked about it. Do you have a pic of one of the cans to put up here? You cracked me up! America is a great place to take a road trip, and to do it in a classic car gets bonus points X10. Plus extra points for doing it in a car you rebuilt yourself, plus extra points for doing it in a Convertible! Your car is a beauty, I walked around it at least 10 times! Steve. This actually started last winter, when I visited a friend in Portland who was storing a '58 Desoto for me. We came up with the idea for beer labels to put over a standard beer can, called 'BelveBeer' My friend, and member here, Austin, did the artwork and had 40 of the labels printed up, just for the Carlisle show. (Belvebeer 002.JPG) (Belvebeer 003.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Belvebeer 002.JPG (125KB - 97 downloads) Belvebeer 003.JPG (123KB - 95 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Business idea John Take the Carlisle stuff off and make stubby holders like that bet you would sell quite a few | ||
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Veteran Posts: 279 Location: Klein, TX | Thanks for the great ride so far John. Look forward to reading more. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | The eastern Ohio and Pennsylvania hill country is quite beautiful, another nice change in scenery. There are a number of tunnels that take you through some of the hills, rather than over them. (Carlisle 2015 027.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 028.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 029.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 031.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 032.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 027.JPG (125KB - 94 downloads) Carlisle 2015 028.JPG (126KB - 97 downloads) Carlisle 2015 029.JPG (125KB - 94 downloads) Carlisle 2015 031.JPG (143KB - 93 downloads) Carlisle 2015 032.JPG (125KB - 98 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Well we arrived at Carlisle, Pa a day earlier than our friend that was trailering his car to the show there. After stocking the motel room fridge with 'Barley Sandwiches', we decided to drive down to Gettysburg to see the civil war battlefield, a recommended trip for anyone interested in this country's history. (Carlisle 2015 033.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 034.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 035.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 036.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 033.JPG (126KB - 90 downloads) Carlisle 2015 034.JPG (130KB - 102 downloads) Carlisle 2015 035.JPG (136KB - 92 downloads) Carlisle 2015 036.JPG (125KB - 93 downloads) | ||
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Veteran Posts: 281 Location: WA/USA | Now THAT'S how to travel America. Thanks for for bringing us along on the ride. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 537 Location: Upstate NY | Great documented ride. I have been to Gettysburg a few times. It will bring you to attention. Amazing the scope of battle and courage of those men. That is quite a trip in a car you just built! I am looking forward to the next chapter. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | I didn't take too many photos at the Chrysler nationals at Carlisle, as I was busy hitting the swap meet, and talking to lots of people I've sold parts to over the years, but my first time meeting them. The old 30's car dealership on the fairgrounds was set up to resemble a late fifties Chrysler dealer display, with vintage banners inside the showroom and an impressive display of ForwardLook Chryslers inside. The surrounding grounds had fifty or sixty or the big-finned cars around it. Virgil Exner Jr was signing autographs, for those that don't know the name, Virgil senior was the designer of the Forward Look Mopars. I was privileged to pick up both Virgil Jr. and his wife at their hotel about fifteen miles from the show, and bring them to the dealership. Really some nice folks, with lots of interesting automotive knowledge. After the last day of the show, I was honored to receive a celebrity choice award for the '59 convertible. A big Hats off to Johnny, Dave S. Jeff and Jessica, and anyone else that made the dealership the rousing success that it was! (Carlisle 2015 040.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 042.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 044.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 039.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 040.JPG (136KB - 96 downloads) Carlisle 2015 042.JPG (138KB - 94 downloads) Carlisle 2015 044.JPG (125KB - 91 downloads) Carlisle 2015 039.JPG (125KB - 88 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | After we had packed up the car, we headed west the Pennsylvania, then Ohio, this time heading north at central Michigan. I wanted to visit an old friend from high school near Lansing. The following day brought rainstorms and wind, as we headed north toward the Mackinac bridge. It had been probably 30 years since I had crossed that bridge, and had forgotten how long it was. Once across the bridge, we stopped for an awesome lunch at a little saloon in St. Ignace, Michigan in the upper peninsula. (Carlisle 2015 049.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 050.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 052.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 053.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 054.JPG) (Carlisle 2015 056.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Carlisle 2015 049.JPG (125KB - 92 downloads) Carlisle 2015 050.JPG (128KB - 94 downloads) Carlisle 2015 052.JPG (128KB - 101 downloads) Carlisle 2015 053.JPG (128KB - 95 downloads) Carlisle 2015 054.JPG (133KB - 94 downloads) Carlisle 2015 056.JPG (131KB - 107 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | The Mackinack Bridge is awesome to see indeed. I haven't been up there in a while, but it is always worth a look if one is close. I remember hearing about a road service that is available to help nervous nellies cross the bridge. Supposedly there are a number of locals who will drive your car or truck across the bridge if you're too scared to do it yourself. That could have been BS too though that someone was slinging around to impress vacationers. One thing's clear though and that bridge is high, high above the strait. There are some wicked winds blowing up that high, especially in the wintertime, so I would imagine there is some truth about some people being too scared to drive their car or truck across. Especially as the center lanes in both directions are not reassuring solid concrete slabs but actually metal mesh!. Even i get nervous about that! The metal mesh makes the handling squrriely especially if you have bias ply tires on your collector car. :stressed: | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 537 Location: Upstate NY | Here is my personal memory related to people being scared to drive across high bridges...... When I was a kid my mother drove a 49 plymouth convertible. We would go to the ocean across the chesapeake bay bridge (only one then), anyway she was so scared to drive across it she would drive around on 404 through Delaware. So one time she says she is going to try it and my brother and I were standing in the back seat holding onto the strap across the back seat and we mentioned to mom to look at a boat going under the grated road. She backhanded both of us without taking her eyes off the road and told us to sit back and be quiet! I wonder how that would sit with all the child advocates of today!!!! Certainly there are people scared to cross those type of bridges. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2003 Location: Branson, MO | Re: Mackinac bridge Being an ex Michigander, I crossed that bridge countless times because I went to Michigan Tech which is in the upper peninsula and our home was in the lower. I feel I own half of that bridge because of the tolls I paid. Never had a problem crossing it. Winds sometime can be an issue and there are caution warnings mainly for those towing trailers. The neatest thing is that on Labor Day weekend you can walk across it. The 5 mile walk is headed by the governor. One side is closed off for normal vehicle traffic and the other is for the walkers/runners. You ride across in one direction and walk in the other depending on which side you start from. When you look down through the mesh it's quite interesting because of the height. Big freighters look like Hot Wheel sized toys. Aircraft has flown illegally under the bridge on occasion. The mesh is used to allow for the snow, ice, and water to fall through and not accumulate on the bridge. One must remember that upper Michigan has nine months of winter and three months of rough sledin'. My suggestion for visiting northern Michigan is to do it during the summer - it is beautiful! "It's delightful, it's delovely, it's DeSoto" | ||
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