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littlecarl
Posted 2015-09-28 2:56 PM (#490860)
Subject: Egged drums



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I've made a bit of a boo boo. I was rebuliding the front wheel cylinders as one had seized the other week on the off side. I cured that one so I thought I'd to the near side as well. I did all that no problem, cleaned out the bores and re assembled with some red rubber grease (which I think was lacking when I bought the cylinders new). Anyway I had bought some new wheel studs as the NSF was the only one that had left hand threads so I thought I'd change them.. I don't have a press but had various sockets etc to use for knocking them out and in including supporting around the holes where the knocking in and out was taking place.

The first one went ok, chaged over fine so then I appear to have made the mistake of knocking the 4 others out (rather than one at a time). As the others were going in I noticed there was a gap between the drum and hub as if the drum wasn't sitting flat to the hub and no matter how hard I tried to knock the studs home it wasn't getting better. I took the hub and drum apart again and cleaned up the surfaces and tried re assembling again. It seemed better until I fitted the assembly to the car but the drum doesn't seem to be round anymore

I had the drums turned a few years back and I guess they're now right on the limit. I can't adjust the brake shoes anymore without them binding too much which means the pedal is too close to the floor. Moral of the story "If it ain't broke........"

Are there aftermarket or later model drums that can be fitted (maybe machined) to the hubs if I get the studs pressed in properly this time at a machine shop?

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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-10 10:58 AM (#491887 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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Ventured into the garage today after a couple of weeks of living with the carnage I caused to check a couple of things. The Hub looks fine and runs true. The drum has a crack running from one of the lug holes to halfway across the front face. I mount the drum backwards on the hub to measure it I can see I've warped the front face between mount flange to where the brake shoe surface is. Run out is about 1/8".

It doesn't look good.....

But I found out this today as well..

The rear end of the 60 Dodge is off at a guess a 65 fury. That has 11" x 2.5" brakes too and the drums are aslo finned. Ive just tried tone of these "Over" the front hub and these are pretty much a perfect fit. These are a much heavier drum with the added fins that would help cooling (to a point). The wheels would sit out a fraction as the thickness of the drum face would be added to the outside of the hub. From what I have measured the shoes will have full contact over the stopping surface as well. In future the drums would slide over the hubs without the hubs (wheel bearing) having to be removed..

The casting numbers on this particular drum is MWY1 and 36418. I cant seem to find any other info to confirm what they are..

Can anyone give me a reason why this wouldn't work or is a really bad idea?



Edited by littlecarl 2015-10-10 11:08 AM
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jimntempe
Posted 2015-10-10 11:57 AM (#491889 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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I'm not sure I'm fully understanding what's going on but with what you propose what is going to "center" the drum so that it is perfectly centered and turns concentrically around the hub? Just the lugs? Usually the center "hole" of the drum centers on the hub so that it turns concentrically with the rest of the rotating stuff.
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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-10 3:26 PM (#491907 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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I could machine a slight shoulder on the hub just enough to center the drum but the shoulders on the studs although "not tight" are not sloppy in the holes of the drum either. It's only the studs centering the drum (although an interfereance fit) from factory. 



Edited by littlecarl 2015-10-10 3:47 PM
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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-10 3:39 PM (#491909 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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Short version. I damaged a front drum trying to be careful (but not careful enough) changing wheel studs. Looking at the cost of drums and hubs plus shipping to the UK makes it a very costly whoops on my part.

I know the front brakes are not the best in the world but I'm not going racing either. Just looking at options for a slight upgrade without hurting the pocket as much or going disc and losing the option of 14" wheels. 



Edited by littlecarl 2015-10-10 3:47 PM
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BigBlockMopar
Posted 2015-10-10 3:51 PM (#491910 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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I've 'modded' the drums of a tapered axle rearend once by removing the swedge around the studs and slightly ream out the holes in the drums, so it would simply slide on and off like on newer axles.
Didn't find any issues.

I understand peeps getting concerned about the centering part of the hub, but the studs themselves are centered aswell and if the drum is nicely centered on studs (and clamped between wheel and axleflange), not much bad could happen.
The brakeshoes can move about also together and are able to catch a certain amount of offcenter movements of the drums.

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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-11 8:20 AM (#491944 - in reply to #490860)
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That's my thinking on this too. I cant see any real difference doing this on the fronts.. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I just got to find a set of these drums now..
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58coupe
Posted 2015-10-11 10:26 AM (#491951 - in reply to #490860)
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littlecarl, what is your vehicle and what size front drums do you need? I have some good 11"x2" front drums and I am sure others do also, (bigM) but the freight cost would be high.
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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-11 3:08 PM (#491970 - in reply to #490860)
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Hi 58coupe, I have a 1960 dodge dart Pioneer wagon. The drums and shoes measure 11" x 2.5". Yes freight would be very high. Probably $100 a piece.
Carl
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mobileparts
Posted 2015-10-13 4:07 PM (#492200 - in reply to #490860)
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I have them N.O.S. -- very very U.S.A. made -- but Hershey just passed -- and my friends David & Michael picked up their parts -- and gave me some returns on a car they
sold -- and are back on their way "across the pond"....
Too bad you couldn't have linked up with them -- I could have brought them to Hershey -- and they could have picked them up there for you....
Next year is 358 days away......................
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littlecarl
Posted 2015-10-15 8:18 AM (#492325 - in reply to #492200)
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Thanks for the reply. Which drums do you have and how much are they? Where is/was Hershey?

Carl

 

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mobileparts
Posted 2015-10-17 3:22 PM (#492463 - in reply to #490860)
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Hershey is the BIGGEST and GREATEST Car Show and Swap Meet in the World -- in Hershey, Pennsylvania -- at what is the Amusement Park all summer long
and the home of Hershey's Chocolate -- dubbed "The Sweetest Place on Earth"!!!!!!!!!!
The actual 1957 - 1961 Dodge 11" x 2 1/2" Brake Drums are $ 195 a piece....
The actual 1965 - 1976 Dodge 11" x 2 1/2" Rear Brake Drums are $ 69 a piece....
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littlecarl
Posted 2015-11-24 8:31 AM (#496049 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Egged drums



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I ordered a set of the '65 to - '76 finned bendix (PDR0365) drums off rock auto as they deliver to uk. Worked out about $40 a piece with $80 a piece to ship. It would have cost more to ship in one consignment so I split it in two.. Took the drums off the hub then pushed new lug studs into the hub then installed the hubs back on the car. Slid the drums straight over and fitted the wheel and adjusted the brakes up. Works a treat!
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