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Mike McCandless

Posted 2017-05-27 12:00 AM (#540965)
Subject: 300D vin tag

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Would there be a case of them not having the holes in them? Any reason a convertible would be different from a hard top

StillOutThere

Posted 2017-05-27 10:07 AM (#540977 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

Location: Under the X in Texas

None that I can think of on either count.

Powerflite

Posted 2017-05-27 4:37 PM (#540989 - in reply to #540977)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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What do you mean by holes? The VIN tag doesn't have any holes in it. It has 2 indents from where the tag is spot welded to the body. Are you talking about the data plate? Is a 300D different than a New Yorker in that respect?

Edited by Powerflite 2017-05-27 4:39 PM

StillOutThere

Posted 2017-05-27 5:45 PM (#540992 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

Location: Under the X in Texas

There are stamped holes in the (serial number) before they were installed on the cars. The intent was that the weld attachment be through those holes. Vast majority of the time that happened. Sometimes they only missed a little bit. I've seen numerous tags where they completely missed and the holes are obvious and never touched with the welds off to the side.

Viper Guy

Posted 2017-05-27 9:03 PM (#541004 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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I'll try attaching a picture of my '59 DeSoto VIN tag which is factory original and shows no holes. I'm not sure the Chrysler 300D would be exactly the same but could have been.

Edited by Viper Guy 2017-05-27 9:05 PM

('59 DeSoto ID Tag 2.JPG)

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StillOutThere

Posted 2017-05-27 9:14 PM (#541005 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

Location: Under the X in Texas

Some things changed in 1959. Yes, that plate includes your VIN for the '59 DeSoto. This plate is commonly referred to as the DATA PLATE because it includes the data for the ordering codes of equipment on the car. The VIN for the 300D is on a stainless plate with no other data in the left door jamb on the hinge pillar and is spot welded on.

Powerflite

Posted 2017-05-27 9:58 PM (#541007 - in reply to #541005)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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The VIN on my '57 New Yorker never had holes. It had some indents that were spot welded. You can see the bottom indent that was missed by the spot welder. This is a Los Angeles car, so not sure if there were differences based on where it was made.

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Powerflite

Posted 2017-05-27 10:22 PM (#541008 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: RE: 300D vin tag

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There does seem to be a correlation between where it was built and the lack of holes or not. Among my cars:

'58 Firedome, Detroit: Holes
'58 Coronet, Los Angeles: No Holes
'57 New Yorker, Los Angeles: No Holes
'57 Windsor, Los Angeles: No Holes
'57 Windsor, Detroit?: No Holes
'56 Plymouth, Not sure: Holes

However, that '57 Windsor is not the same. Were the Windsors built in a different plant?

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Viper Guy

Posted 2017-05-27 11:26 PM (#541014 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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My '59 DeSoto never had a plate on the driver's side door jamb - but the holes are there. Someone pointed out long ago that Firesweeps built at the Dodge plant didn't get these so I guess my data plate serves as the serial number or VIN as they are referred to now.

Mike McCandless

Posted 2017-05-28 12:05 AM (#541016 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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I had asked because I believe I came across a car with a fake plate. After further researching, the VIN belong to a coupe, not a convertible. I knew the tag was new, but seller tried to say otherwise. I knew the answer to the question I asked, but I wanted others to stand up and prove my point. Thank you guys! The seller has now realized what has happened. A restorer had sold him a car with the wrong plate.

LD3 Greg

Posted 2017-05-28 12:18 AM (#541017 - in reply to #541014)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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Nathan's second pic shows what a Detroit built 300D, VIN plate should look like. The VIN plate would have two holes in it. These two holes lined up exactly with the two holes stamped in the door jamb. At the end of the assembly line, a stainless steel VIN plate would get "loaded onto a a spot welder jig by its two holes which then got pushed into the corresponding two holes in the door jamb". The trigger was pulled which spot welded the assembly together!

Hey, one of my beer drinking buddies who worked in Detroit did that job!!!

No rocket science here!! ---- !!

Greg

finsruskw

Posted 2017-05-28 7:58 AM (#541032 - in reply to #540965)
Subject: Re: 300D vin tag

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So, this guy is trying to sell a PHONY D????
Not good
What ever happened to Mr. Glasel anyway??

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