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Expert Posts: 1897 | . CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS 110 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 111 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 112 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 113 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 115 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS – CUSTOM TRIM 140 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 141 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 142 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 143 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 145 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black CORONET LANCER CONVERTIBLE 120 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 121 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 122 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 123 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 125 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black CORONET SUBURBAN AND SIERRA STATION WAGONS 120 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 121 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 122 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 123 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 125 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black ROYAL SEDAN 160 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue 161 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green 162 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Tan 163 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Ivory and Black 165 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Red and Black ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS 170 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Blue 171 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Green 172 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Tan 173 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 175 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black CUSTOM ROYAL SEDAN 260 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue 261 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green 262 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Beige and Tan 263 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Gray and Black CUSTOM ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS 270 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Blue 271 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Green 272 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Tan 273 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 275 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black 276 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Beige and Gold 277 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Bronze and Black (REGAL LANCER ONLY) CUSTOM ROYAL LANCER CONVERTIBLE 270 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Blue 271 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Green 272 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Tan 273 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 275 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black CUSTOM ROYAL SIERRA STATION WAGONS 280 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Blue 281 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Green 282 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Tan 283 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 285 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black Anyone correct me please if I am wrong… I have no idea about last «4» at the trim code digits… 0 = Blue 1 = Green 2 = Tan 3 = Ivory and Black 5 = Red and Black Is could «4» it GRAY? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . I have some guesses about 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Sedan trim: Is that really beige and tan on the Pic. No. 1 (code 262) And a gray and beige on the Pic. No. 2 (code 263) or it has code 264 (because gray) (1.jpg) (2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (84KB - 195 downloads) 2.JPG (133KB - 187 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . In Lancer Mikes 58 Dodge info spreadsheet, a trim code that ends in 4 seems to be "red and black" as in: 272 = Custom Tan and Brown 173 = Royal lancer coupe Black and White 277 = Regal Bronze and Black 123 = Coronet black and white 225 = Custom Royal Lancer Coupe Red and Black 141 = Coronet deluxe green 121 = Coronet green 144 = Coronet deluxe sedan red and black 273 = Custom black and white convt 275 = Custom Red and Black convt 115 = Coronet red and black 120 = Coronet blue and whte 115 = Coronet 262 = Custom Royal Sedan Beige and Brown 171 = Royal lancer coupe green and white 269 = Custom Royal Sedan black and white 122 = Coronet deluxe beige convt 274 = Custom Royal Coupe Red and Black Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-29 2:27 PM | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . That's true but the facts say otherwise The last 5 in the trim code 275 says red vinyl and black cloth (1.jpg) (2.JPG) (3.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (101KB - 191 downloads) 2.JPG (144KB - 191 downloads) 3.JPG (180KB - 191 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . The ?odes 274 and 275 cannot be both red and black... | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag: M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (101KB - 209 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2021-01-29 11:38 AM . The codes 274 and 275 cannot be both red and black... We need Mike in here. He has a 275 = Custom Red and Black convt and a 274 = Custom Royal Coupe Red and Black Your photo looks Spring Special to me (??) and your M4 3 = spring special (??) so that might be the answer too. And don't forget that LA codes might be different than Detroit codes. Might. Maybe. Edited by 56D500boy 2021-01-29 4:34 PM | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | Code 275 is red and black. 2 different reds were used during the year. Regular red earlier, then Poppy Red (Spring/Summer) color, but both used code 275. Detroit same as LA car above. | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . Thanks Matt (christine-lover). So tell me please what does the last «4» in the '58 Dodge trim codes? Is that gray or not? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | frwl - 2021-01-29 11:43 AM . Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag: M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror To figure these out, you need to look at cars with very little options because it narrows it down more. My '58 Coronet poly V8 only has M5=1 on the body tag. It doesn't have solex glass either. But it does have: Torqueflite Power steering Deluxe Appearance Accessory Group: Plastic Steering Wheel Electric Clock Rear Quarter Stone Shields Radio Accessory Group: Backup Lights Heater and Defroster Left Outside Rear View Mirror Inside Prismatic Mirror Radio Music Master So, M5=1 must either stand for: Radio Accessory Group, Deluxe Appearance Group, Torqueflite, or Power Steering. And, since my car has the Deluxe appearance group, but doesn't have M3=5, that can't be what that stands for either. Also, the TR 141 on the tag already denotes that the car gets the Deluxe Appearance Group, which, I believe includes the custom interior trim as well. So it makes sense that they wouldn't include that a second time on the tag. Edited by Powerflite 2021-01-30 1:32 PM (58LancerBodyTag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58LancerBodyTag.jpg (164KB - 187 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | frwl - 2021-01-30 9:51 AM . Thanks Matt (christine-lover). So tell me please what does the last «4» in the '58 Dodge trim codes? Is that gray or not? :( I’m not sure on that one. Looking at the Ross Roy book, it’s definitely possible. Edited by christine-lover 2021-01-30 2:47 PM | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | This is great stuff! TRM codes have always been a bit mysterious to me. I was trying to crack them from some observed interiors along with cowl tags, but this list looks to be much more comprehensive. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | I want to try to tie a couple of things together here... CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS
276 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Beige and Gold (Reduced 1958 Dodge Interior Fabrics.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Reduced 1958 Dodge Interior Fabrics.JPG (185KB - 193 downloads) | ||
frwl |
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . To Nathan (Powerflite): Hello Nathan! I do not dispute anything and do not claim – I just assume... From the photos of this car, I saw some options that may be (they are there, you can see it in the photo). I appreciate what you said: maybe I was wrong. Thank you for sharing information about the equipment of your car – this can help in the future with the decoding of Los Angeles cars. The code M5=1 on your car means left exterior mirror. This was stated by D500Neil. I believe that his authoritative opinion is listened to on this site… Cannot find this tread but he has told the next: That's an L.A. built car, there. It does not show, however, the typical back-less mounting screws on its P/T plate, but, rather the Phillips-head mounting screws that were used on the Detroit-built cars. Yours is one of the few L.A.-built cars, that I've seen, that does not have the back-less mounting screws on the P/T plate. The P/T plate does show the typical shadow-image of the strip of masking tape that was laid across the P/T plate, when the car body was painted. The L.A. cars have very little optional equipment listed on the P/T's, but yours confirms the LT outside mirror option (big deal). Its Broadcast Sheet and/or IBM Build Cards will confirm the rest of your cars options and OEM equipment data. It was Scheduled to have been built o.o.a. 11/7/57, which is of relatively early build. Here some pictures about describing car: (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) (4.jpg) (5.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (46KB - 183 downloads) 2.jpg (71KB - 193 downloads) 3.jpg (59KB - 183 downloads) 4.jpg (65KB - 183 downloads) 5.jpg (76KB - 183 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | frwl - 2021-02-08 6:42 PM . To Nathan (Powerflite): Hello Nathan! I do not dispute anything and do not claim – I just assume... From the photos of this car, I saw some options that may be (they are there, you can see it in the photo). I appreciate what you said: maybe I was wrong. Thank you for sharing information about the equipment of your car – this can help in the future with the decoding of Los Angeles cars. The code M5=1 on your car means left exterior mirror. This was stated by D500Neil. I believe that his authoritative opinion is listened to on this site… Cannot find this tread but he has told the next: That's an L.A. built car, there. It does not show, however, the typical back-less mounting screws on its P/T plate, but, rather the Phillips-head mounting screws that were used on the Detroit-built cars. Yours is one of the few L.A.-built cars, that I've seen, that does not have the back-less mounting screws on the P/T plate. The P/T plate does show the typical shadow-image of the strip of masking tape that was laid across the P/T plate, when the car body was painted. The L.A. cars have very little optional equipment listed on the P/T's, but yours confirms the LT outside mirror option (big deal). Its Broadcast Sheet and/or IBM Build Cards will confirm the rest of your cars options and OEM equipment data. It was Scheduled to have been built o.o.a. 11/7/57, which is of relatively early build. Here some pictures about describing car: I respect Neil very much but I disagree with this M5 code explanation. This code always = 1. Also for cars without a mirror. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9681 Location: So. Cal | Thanks Igor. Neil was often right, but not always. I know that he didn't have a good grasp on the LA tags, as he admitted. Assuming that Neil was wrong, some things we can say for sure: | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9911 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Could someone please arrange a seance with somebody who worked in management at the LA plant so we can finally get to the bottom of these indecipherable LA codes? Edited by 56D500boy 2021-02-08 3:53 PM | ||
RDP |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | frwl - 2021-01-29 8:43 PM . Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag: M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror The upholstery topic is probably not a good place for this discussion, but... In my opinion Acc.Group is not shown on the tag. First, Apperance has code 4 (314) Secondly, this car has the Apperance group and the M3 code is blank. (D58 (1).jpg) (D58 (2).jpg) Attachments ---------------- D58 (1).jpg (224KB - 185 downloads) D58 (2).jpg (247KB - 181 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1897 | . Robert: looks like to be true – this is not an appearance group… So what could it be? Here spreadsheet of ’58 Dodge optional codes that ends on the «5»: THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS CAR: Power Tail Gate Window Deluxe Appearance Accessory Group Blue Convertible Top Color V8 361CID EFI 333HP Power Plant Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield Only: it has tinted glass at all windows Export Right Hand Drive Front and Rear Heavy Duty Springs = DO NOT KNOW; UNLIKELY THE ITEMS THAT COULD BE ON THIS CAR: Heater and Defroster Front Bumper Guard Map Light Car Service Delivery Route – by Truck Maybe M3 = 5 = 355 = Front Bumper Guards (teeth) They were not as standard equipment… (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (101KB - 185 downloads) | ||
RDP |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Powerflite - 2021-02-08 8:35 PM Thanks Igor. Neil was often right, but not always. I know that he didn't have a good grasp on the LA tags, as he admitted. Assuming that Neil was wrong, some things we can say for sure: M5 code always = 1. This is the only code with the same number for all 1957-59 brands. (1956 is different ). Many cars have it, it has to be something cheap or desirable. Sometimes the only selected option is the M5. This is not a torquflite. Then there would be two codes. The first is for powerflite, the second is for torqueflite. Or three codes - the third code for the three in the tree. It's not a mirror - M5 = 1 also have cars without mirrors. So, power steering or heater. Or undercoating maybe. . | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | frwl - 2021-02-09 1:24 PM . Robert: looks like to be true – this is not an appearance group… So what could it be? I do not know yet . | ||
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