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Location: Los Lunas, NM | I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but I can't seem to find out where to go (other than Chrysler Historical) for information on decoding the fender tag of my 58 Royal. I thought my car was originally black in color, but now that we are sanding it for repainting, it looks like it may have been gray (or silver?) with some sort of rose or red on the fins. I need to decode the tag, and then make the decision whether to repaint in original colors or go with something else. Once I get to that point, I'll probably look to you guys for some opinions and guidance.
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | I have also included a mock up of my fender tag. OIt is also posted in my album.
After taking a pencil rubbing I recreated it as a bitmap. I hope that it posts clearly enough for someone to help decode it.
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Location: bishop, ca | Bart, starting with you; that "9' is probably either "shown" in the wrong colum, or, was mis-stamped, at the factory.
A mis-location by a spot-number is not unusual. The "9" probably refers to "Solex Glass" option. Not very
'glamorous', but true. It could also refer to "Stone Shields", but I don't see them, on your car.
Also, I think that the "1615" is probably "0615", which would represent a Scheduled Build Date of June 15, 1959.
The "312" identifies a V/8 Coro which was built in the Dodge Main plant, in Hamtramick, MI.
Paint colors are Mocha Iridescent & Biscuit, with the top being "Mocha', as well . A "4" scheme would have the top being Biscuit.
Your car has the same color "scheme" [#3] as Clive Reene's Coronet.
That's about all that I can see, on your P/T plate.
DAVE: I can decode 58's very well, please PM me your P/T plate, or post a pic of it here.
Precise location of Option "numbers" is critical.
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | This is a rather big attachment but I mocked up a copy of the Broadcast sheet found taped to the top of the glovebox.
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Location: Los Lunas, NM | Neil,
I am going to try to post a picture of my fender tag, I'm not real sure how it'll come out after resizing. I really appreciate any info you will have for me.
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Location: bishop, ca | OPk, Dave (in no particular order, to protect my years-of-research); you have a nicely optioned car!
Bulit o.o.a. 10/15/57 (Early model!) , paint names are Silver Iridescent & Charcoal Iridescent (in the Deluxe 2-tone trim; with the silver on roof & deck & fins, and charcoal on the saddle-area), The 353 refers to 8-cylinder LD-2 Royal 4-dr sedan. The interior code 163 I haven't previously seen; I think that's because I haven't recorded a Royal 4-dr sedan. Actually, that's not true; I "HAVE" a 173 Royal; that is 'black-and-ivory'; what colors is/are your interior???
Now, we see a T/fite trannie, "Radio Group" ( heater, back-up lights, left O/S mirror, I/S glare proof mirror, & the pushbutton radio).
Then, there is the "Convenience Group" (air foam rear seat, variable speed wipers, W/S washer[Jiffy Jet], handbrake warning light, map light, glove box light, VANITY mirror!, & trunk light.
Then , we see that it has Solex glass (but not??? a shaded windshield?), Undercoating, But, I AM confused about the car's engine (coding) ; it's not coded as a D500; I'm thinking that it might have a 350 wedge, but, "only" the 325 Poly with a 4-bbl was supposed to 'be' the "Royal" engine, so, please let me know if there is anything 'special' about your car's engine.
And, then, te car was transported from the factory by the most-common manner :"Truck".
The car CAN have other options; the Broadcast Sheet & the Factory IBM Card will contain more info!
So, please confirm interior colors, & if there is anything 'unusual' about its ENGINE!
How'd I do??????
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Location: Los Lunas, NM | Neil,
You did great! The engine in my car is the 325 Poly, with a 4 barrel carb. It has dual exhaust, which appear to be oringinal, but I can't be sure. The interior is a cream-colored vinyl, with black & gray geometric pattern cloth inserts. The front seat had been redone in non-original cloth at some point, but I got a full NOS set of seat covers (in the original fabric) from Original Auto Interiors.
I will send you a PM later today with the other information you are looking for.
Thanks again for your help, Neil.
Dave
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Location: Seville, OH | Neil,I posted this elsewhere but I didn't get a conclusive response. The first four numbers under SCHEDULE on my tag are 0711. From the above does that mean July 11, 1957?
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Location: bishop, ca | YUP; that's the EASIST number(s) to figure out, on virtually every P/T plate!
The next 5 digits are the dealer's I.D. , and a 'book' of their listings reportedly had been spirited out of the Histerical Society,
in the 80's (during 'The Troubles', as they say, in Ireland), but, the H.S. DOES appear to be ID'ing the selling dealer, as part of their
not-much-info 'report', that accompanies their IBM card photocopy, for which they now charge $45.00 (??--iirc; I got quite a few
of them, back when they cost $10-$15 bux, and, you could get the cards without "officially" owning the subject car), .... on "your" car.
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Location: bishop, ca | Hi, Bart; please check your "9" 's stamping-location, on the P/T plate.
What is interesting about your car is that its B-Sheet only contains one "9", and ID's it as being for a Sweep Molding.
I have seen "9"'s in the ELEVENTH spot ("399") on cars with Sweep Moldings---INTERESTINGLY, on options with MORE than
one variable (like: "aerials") there are only 2-digits 'shown', with the 3rd digit confirming the particular "extent" of the
available -option.
On options showing THREE digits ( like "power steering": 301) if a car has that option, the "number" shown, in the "Option Box" IS
that third number ( e.g.: "1" , for power steering).
Your "Sweep Molding" only has TWO numbers displayed, so, the possibility exists that there are SEVERAL different 'things' that
can be confirmed inside this one box : like: the End-of-Fin chrome-piece, and the quarter panel "Gills".
Your car's "9" appears to confirm that the car has BOTH end-of-fin & gills pieces.
Correct??? But, that "9" should have appeared in the 11th spot!
Can you post a pic of your P/T plate, as Dave has done?
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Location: bishop, ca | Bart: your car's tire codes "1/1" appear to confirm 7.50x14" black walls. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Dave, I'm really agonizing over your car's engine-coding; I'm wondering if, the Royals MIGHT have had a single exhaust, and
your cars 'duals' might have been an 'option'.
But, as far as I know, ALL 4-bbl V/8's had dual exhausts (that was part of the "Power Package" option).
The literature I have shows Poly 325's with 4-bbl carb as standard Royal engine, but 'they' say nothing about the exhaust
system, whereas, the 350/361 Wedges DO "confirm" dual-exhausts.
You need to get the factory's IBM car photocopy, on your car!
I have a friend (only, one, tho) , who might help me; he had a 58 Royal 4-dr sedan!!
Also, please send me some pics OF your car's "Cream-and-black" upholstery.
my PM is : esierraadj@verizon.net
Later!
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Location: Los Lunas, NM | Neil,
I am sending you a regular email, as I don't know how to attach photos to a PM.
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Neil...
Any idea what the Accessory Groups 1 to 7 are for yet, listed as 311 to 317.... Also that 319,,, I figured the Access Grps were for Extra Chrome Option... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, as I PM'ed you, Clive, there IS a specific Option Code FOR the "Sweep Spear" , BUTTTTT, IF the "Sweep-Spear" trim WERE part
OF an option "group" (WHICH IT PROBABLY IS) , then, that "box" WOULD be blank.
So, to answer your question: NO; I haven't yet confirmed the seven different option groups, for 1959, but WILL do so, soon
(thank-ku-verra-much)!
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Location: bishop, ca | See? Bart's car has option Group #5, so we KNOW that the "Sweep Spear" trim(s) are NOT part of that Group(#5), as Bart's
car IS coded FOR (just) the Sweep Spear trim!
Clive's car HAS Option Groups # 2 & #5 , so, the Sweep Spear trim "must" be part of Option Group #2 (but, what-else, is
included "in" Group #2 ?) And, what's "in" all-seven option groups?
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Location: bishop, ca | Scuse ME: all EIGHT Option Groups!!!! |
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Location: bishop, ca | Ron Waters may be jumping-in here, shortly; Ron, Clive's car has a "148" Trim Code; Ron was thinking that the mysterious
"319" might be a Custom Coronet interior-trim "designator" .
In 57 -58, the Custom Coros had Trim numbers beginning witha "2", so I dunno if a "148" Trim code would be 'for' a Custom Coro,
in 1959.
Clive, what color(s) is/are your car's dashboard finish?
Ron, the writing, on the lower right, of Clive's Broadcast Sheet appears to be "F K Coronet" ; what dash color(s) might "FK" refer to??
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | d500neil - 2007-04-24 6:56 PM
Ron Waters may be jumping-in here, shortly; Ron, Clive's car has a "148" Trim Code; Ron was thinking that the mysterious
"319" might be a Custom Coronet interior-trim "designator" .
In 57 -58, the Custom Coros had Trim numbers beginning witha "2", so I dunno if a "148" Trim code would be 'for' a Custom Coro,
in 1959.
Clive, what color(s) is/are your car's dashboard finish?
Ron, the writing, on the lower right, of Clive's Broadcast Sheet appears to be "F K Coronet" ; what dash color(s) might "FK" refer to??
I Think my Dash should have been Padded,,, But it is NOT NOW.. So the Dash is Black.... The Interior has been Re-done,, So that doesn,t Help Either.. But it is 2 Tone Black / White, With Cloth Inserts..........
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Location: bishop, ca | Clive, maybe that hand-written "F" on your B-Sheet was "supposed" to be a (REALLY-thin) "B"; so, the notation is
really " BK Coronet" , meaning: "all-black [dash-board] Coronet"!!!!!
Your sedan HAS notched seatbacks, which, in 57 -58 was one of the Custom Coronet "trim" features (regular Coros
had straight-backed seats).
The 1957- 1959 Custom Coros also had 'extra' Mylar-trim on the trim-panels, and 'special' upholstery; has your car been re-
upholstered? It looks to be OEM, but not(??) a Custom Coro trim-model(??).
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, Dave; I HAVE figured out your Engine coding; your car IS coded for having a 4-bbl carb, (on a Royal) instead of having
a 2-bbl carb, but your car would have had dual exhausts regardless whether it had had a 2, or a 4 bbl carb!
Also, you might want to check your windshield, to see if it's got an LOF logo on it, I've got quite a few cars registered
(even a "Texan-model" 4-dr sedan!) which have Tinted/shaded windshields, with tinted-glass, and they are coded differently, from your car.
Your car MIGHT have been built with all-shaded glass, and, then, the Tinted/shaded windshield was added-on; MAYBE
when the car got painted black.
You might check the windshield weatherstrip, to see if it looks 'new'(-ish)/unusual, which might confirm that it is
not as 'old' as the back glass weatherstrip, etcetc.
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | d500neil - 2007-04-24 9:15 PM
Your sedan HAS notched seatbacks, which, in 57 -58 was one of the Custom Coronet "trim" features (regular Coros
had straight-backed seats).
The 1957- 1959 Custom Coros also had 'extra' Mylar-trim on the trim-panels, and 'special' upholstery; has your car been re-
upholstered? It looks to be OEM, but not(??) a Custom Coro trim-model(??).
Neil What is " 'extra' Mylar-trim on the trim-panels"... My Interior Door Panels have like a Stainless Silver Strip rumming through them, I think about 6" in Height,, Is that what you mean... The panels are also Black / White.................And YES the Seats have been Re-upholstered.....
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Actually,, If you look at the PIC i posted above of my Interior,,, What looks like a 4 " - 6 " White Band running through the Door Panels is the Stainless Metal Silver Strip i am referring too... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Actually, I mis-stated, above: your ROYAL-model IS coded for having its STANDARD 4-bbl dual-exhaust engine.
Some Coro models are coded LD-2 , too, and/but THEY have a 2-bbl engine, so YOUR car "needs" coding, to confirm that
the 4-bbl carburetor is installed on that "same" 325 Poly-head enguine!
Simple/easy research?
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Location: bishop, ca | Back to 59's...I've got a pic, in my office file, here, of an Ex-CHP 2dr sedan, which appears to have straight-across seat backs,
which would indicate that your model may be a Custom Coronet (sub-model).
Bart's car has one Option Group (#5) , which probably is NOT the "Custom Coronet" trim option.
So, Bart. does your Coro have straight-across seat backs, or, are they 'notched' ??? All Mylar, including the
Custom Coro Mylar-trim tends to involve a fairly-wide swath(sp?) OK: "SPREAD/run" of that chrome-tinfoil-like applique, which
can, and does separate itself (peel-off) from the door & quarter Trim-Panels, over-time.
If Ron Waters doesn't post any pics of Custom Coro interiors, I'll check my archives, at home, & see what I can dig-up!
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | d500neil - 2007-04-25 12:00 AM
All Mylar, including the
Custom Coro Mylar-trim tends to involve a fairly-wide swath(sp?) OK: "SPREAD/run" of that chrome-tinfoil-like applique, which
can, and does separate itself (peel-off) from the door & quarter Trim-Panels, over-time.
That,s IT,, Tinfoil type stuff... Mine is actually in Very Good Condition... It may be higher up the Panel than i mentioned earlier... If RON doesn,t post PIC,s ... I can take some Later..............
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, please do post some pics of it; it does sound as if your car may be a CUSTOM Coronet. (so THERE!) |
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Here are several PIC,s... If you notice the front Fenders, I have the Arch Chrome as Well, This must be Original As the EYEBROW Chrome is Different if it wouldn,t of had the Arch Chrome, I have the other version as Spares, Which need to have about 2" cut off to meet the Extensions,, I have included the Rear 5 louvers and Rear Fin Inserts... ALL The Chrome on my Car is All PIT FREE,, Leading me to Believe it is AS the Car Came from factory.. None has Aged more than the other,,Also included the "Tinfoil Type" Inserts on the Door Panels.... you can also see the Hood Emblem,, I have fitted a Second Fender Mirror to the passenger Side...
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Also you can see My Car has POWER STEERING.. This Also appears to Be ORIGINAL..... So several things don,t add up According to the Build Sheet, Unless these are the Access Grps and the 319.... I have always wondered if they Built a Custom Coronet, As this would Explain many Things,,, I also have the CLOCK, But not listed again |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, Firstly, the CLOCK, (for-SURE, & the Power-steering: apparently!) ARE part of "Accessory Groups", or, else 'they' would be shown,
individually, ON the B-Sheet.
I'm gonna PM you some pics, from my photo archives (as I am proudly confuser-illiterrate) which will show you ANOTHER
Apparently-Custom-Coronet 4-dr sedan, and it DOES have the "extra" chrome side trim, but several of the pics I'll send show Coros
WITHOUT any side trim on them, or, just-along-the-body-side!
A CLOSE observation, of several of the Coros, appear to show STRAIGHT-BACKED seats, which indicates that the "notched"
seat-backs were STILL part of the Cuistom Coro "package" , in 1959.
Most of my 1959 Dodge pics are of CRL's, but, overall, I'm quite pleased to see that I took as many (exterior) photographs
of Coros, as I did.
You can decide how many of them , that you'd like to post, to this thread, to help others, in the future!!
BTW, Ron Waters 'says' that there were the "8' Accessory Groups, as listed on the B-Sheet, PLUS TWO additional
ones, INCLUDING your "mysterious" # 319 !!!!!
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | NEILS Pic,s....( 1959 Dodge,s )... Couldn,t decide which ones to post, So posting them all........... They do Show the Different Options for chrome Trim And Interior,,,,,,,,,,
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Location: bishop, ca | All of the above pics are interesting, to observe, together, but, note how a solid-body hardtop could have NO lower
side trim, OR, could have a "side-spear" molding, that ends just-BEFORE it reaches the rear of the front wheel opening!
THEN, some models have 'wider' lower side trim, that terminate at the rear of the front wheel opening, but, other cars
(like Clive's) have that 'wide' side molding go up-and-over the wheel opening, where it connects with the chrome trim which
forms the headlights' "eyebrow" moldings.
So, there were FOUR different lower trim-motifs, on the entry-level Coronet models.
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Location: Los Lunas, NM | Neil,
I took a close look at the glass in my car today. As you figured, it is all Solex glass. The windshield is labeled "DUPLATE" (NOT shaded after all), the four windows are "DUOLITE", and the wings/rear quarters/back glass are "HERCULITE". All the glass seems to be original, with a light factory tint.
We are now prepping the body for its return to the original charcoal and silver paint scheme. It should look awesone when finished!
Thanks again, Dave
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Location: bishop, ca | Ah HA! So there WAS "all-Solex" available, but, WITHOUT a "tinted" windshield!!!
Yours is the first car that I've found, with that specific glass-coding, although the existence OF that Code was suspected; kinda
like finding a star, or planet, that "should" be there, but which has not actually been located!
Your car WILL be beautiful, in its OEM paint scheme!
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Yeah My rear bench seat has a straight bask. not the notched kind. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Bart, your car's factory IBM-card would probably have a "1" , in the 'Side-Spear' box, as your car has the end-of-fin
chrome-trim, but not the "gills" or the extended-over-the-front-wheel-stainless trim.
Clive's car is a Custom Coro, and it DOES (happen to ) have all three trim items, on it.
I NEED to get my hands on a 1959 Ross Roy book, to confirm the various equipment/trim options that were available!
What's NICE, about 1959 Coros, is their DIVERSITY, in trim/appearance!
What's a PAIN, is documenting their diversity!
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Location: Atlanta, GA | This is a great exercise, you guys are good. I have a 61 Chrysler Newport that I know was a special order car. The shipping order number is 0501 8888. We know that it was ordered/built on or about May 1, according to the first four digits. I have understood that the next four digits were normally random, but ours is all eights. Does anyone know how these four numbers were assigned and their meaning? Galen Govier says that our number as all eights designates that the car was a special order. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, Jack, those "8" 's designate a S.O. -something.
You haven't looked under the back seat, for your car's B-sheet?
For $45.00 IIRC, you can request a copy of the factory's IBM Build Card--I think that they will I.D. the car's selling dealership,
too, in their accompaning letter, to you, on your car.
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Location: Lemoore CA | Neil, can you decode the tag on the 57 royal I just picked up? I am not positive the paint scheme is original, that is really what I am most curious about. Also, if you can do it, where do I find the tag? thanks |
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Location: Atlanta, GA | On our Chrysler we haven't found the broadcast sheet under or behind the seats, but I haven't pulled the carpet up. We do have the IBM sheet. The dealer code was for a dealer that never existed and the region code was for the engineering pool in 1960 and 1961. Our understanding is that this was a test car that was supposed to be destroyed after testing. |
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Location: Tampa, FL | d500neil - 2007-04-30 7:52 PM
All of the above pics are interesting, to observe,
What's really interesting is the 2 door hardtop being sold for 1,200 or best offer. How old is that picture? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Mike, yeah, that was :"Or BEST OFFER!!! Think he'll take a Grand, for it? Pic was taken in late 80's/early 90's, probably. Makes ya SICK.
James, yeah; I speak FLUENT 57, & almost-flawless 58; pretty-good 59 (now, if I can only score a Ross Roy, for those Option-Groups!), and passible 60 DODGE....
James: please PM me, or post a pic, of your car's P/T plate, & I'll see what I can do, for you.
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Location: bishop, ca | Jack, on your 61 Chrysler, it DOES have a formal VIN , for it??
As you know, Pilot Cars and crash-vehicles had "Job Numbers" on them, and/or very low VIN's.
Can you read its actual Build-Date, on the IBM card?
Sacrificial/Prototype cars were normally constructed in AUG or SEPT.
There is a 1969 PLY Pilot Car convertible "shown" in this month's Hemmings Classic Cars, & it has both a Job Number, and a VIN, ending
in something like: 0000010.
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Location: Seattle, WA | OK hope you can make out my tag. I think the car was originally white or beige. 59 Coronet 2 door sedan.
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, there isn't much to go-on, on your car, Brad; it was built in L.A., on 6/03/57, if I can make-out that "Schedule" date.
The Model MD2L merely means 59 Dodge V/8 Coro (low price class)--the "important" number here, is the "2"; all Coro's were :"L".
The "Body Type" 311 : All 59 Dodges had a "3", followed by the model & style numbers. Clive Reeve's Coro 4-dr sedan is "313".,
so a "311" is a 2-dr sedan.
The "M5-1" number confirms the 2-barrel carb version of the 326 V/8 engine.
The paint was single-color "Biscuit" ; a sort of tan color; it's the color that appears in the center-area of your dashboard.
The interior Trim is "147', which IS a unique Custom Coronet "tan" motif!
BTW, I HAVE obtained the option codes (Clive), and the 59 Custom Coro 'package' included : different (mylar-trimmed) door
panels, body cloth, & "stylized" bolsters, notched seat backs, CARPETING, & air-foam front seats.
The Custom Coros apparently did NOT include any exterior stainless steel or chrome trim!
I STILL do not know what Option Code "319" might be, but, if Clive gets his car's IBM Build Card, it should show that
option's identity!
Clive's car has Option Group #2 & #5 ; #2 is the Radio/Heater Group, which includes heater, back-up lights, lt O/S mirror,
I/S glare-proof mirror, & a radio.
#5 is the Appearance Group, which includeds 2-tone plastic steering wheel, "wheel covers"(non-spinner), stone shields, and
electric clock.
The "gills", and the full-length stainless steel lower-body trim are apparently separately-buyable; they are NOT part
of any Option Group.
Finally, an interesting re-paint give-away, on L.A. Built cars, is the paint-over, of the Paint/Trim plate; OEM, there was a piece
of masking-tape placed over the center-area of the P/T plate. That tape probably held the Broadcast Sheet, but the tape was
"always" left sticking to the P/T plate, when the car got painted.
If you look closely, you will see the 'shadow' impression, of that masking tape, now painted-over, on Brad's car's P/t plate.
So, that's about 'it'; you-all with 59's should buy copies of the factory IBM cards, on your cars!
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Location: Seattle, WA | Thanks for the information! I've had this car for so long but never knew it could be decoded like a 60's muscle car. This site has really sparked my interest in my old friend. |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Brad; you ought to see al the information that can be gleaned, from a Detroit-built car.
I do not know why the L.A. built cars had Paint/trim plates with so little information stamped onto them, but, there-you-go.
BTW, the build information that I have available comes from years of vehicle data observation, and deductive reasoning,
as opposed to finding any particular factory internal-documents, which would : Explain-All...
Back in 1990, I did get to tour the Historical Society's archives, & the only evidentiary records that it still has, on 50's cars
is contained on the micro-fiche drums/rolls , which contain images of the various years' cardboard I.B.M. punch-cards,
which directed how a particular car was to be built. The IBM cards controlled the printing-out, of the Broadcast Sheets, which
accompanied the cars down the production line.
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Location: Atlanta, GA | For D500Niel
Yes, our 61 has a serial vin. It is 8113176736. On the IBM sheet, the shipping date is 4-21 and the engine stamp is 41 hp 4-14. We understand that is for the 413 high performance and stamped/assembled on April 14. We understand it was built to do final testing for the 62 300H that would be on the short wheelbase and have the 413 with inline carbs, rather than the crossrams. It has the inline carbs, solid lifters, dual popint ignition, and distributor with a tach drive. The suspension is all heavy duty, brakes are 12', and wheels are 15" with 7.60-15 Goodyear Bluestreak wide whitewall tires (the original spare is in the trunk and has never been used). 150 speedometer and red leather interior used in the 62 300 Sport convertible and factory installed seat belts.
My grandfather was an executive with Chrysler and he received the car as part of his retirement present. When his boss told him about the car he explained that the car was not for resale and that it was to be destroyed and it was important that grandfather not sell the car. It had high speed testing sheets from the proving grounds in the glove box showing it ran at 146mph....hardly a production Newport!! Bruce Thomas at the Chrysler Archives said these performance test cars were usually destroyed and not released to the public, but he knew of a few special cars that were spirited out by people with some clout. Gil Cunnningham of the 300 Club says he has only seen one other car with the same dealer code and region code and that the specific codes were for the engineering pool in 60 and 61.
I will try to post some pictures.
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Jack, that's jaw-DROPPING info!
The mind (or, what's left of it!) BOGGLES at the thought of what-all the factory had 'developed', but which never saw the light, of the outside-world!
April would seem to be almost too-late , to do serious test-engineering, on a next-year's model!
It would be neat to see if you can dig-up any info, on the car's mileage, when it was given to him!
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