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slimwhitman
Posted 2018-10-26 11:52 AM (#572401 - in reply to #571934)
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A '60 New Yorker 4DRHT with poverty hub caps? Crazy.



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Posted 2018-10-26 5:59 PM (#572427 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-27 7:47 AM (#572451 - in reply to #81647)
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Sonoramic60
Posted 2018-10-27 10:05 AM (#572457 - in reply to #572430)
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It looks as though that '60 New Yorker was photographed some time in the mid or late '60s: note the narrow white walls and swept roof line of the car in the background which kinda resembles that of the '67 Dodge Coronet R/T I had back then. They're not really "poverty hubcaps" but "baby moons" which guys like me put on our cars to be more "cool," a la Charles M. Schultz's "Snoopy's "Joe Cool." I had them on my '60 Fury, my '65 Sport Fury, and my '67 R/T. In fact, Jack Smith of Plymouth Road Runner fame, in a talk at the Plymouth Owners Club national meet this year, talked about younger guys who didn't have cars going through the "Dad, can I use the car tonight" routine, then immediately pulling the stock wheel covers and putting them in the trunk (plain black painted steel wheels were better than stock hubcaps). But nobody except the old men in Buicks and Hollywood blonds in T-birds wanted wire wheels. Most people in this forum have no idea how hard we worked to be "cool" in those days.
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PS, the '60 Fury and '65 Sport Fury above are not "cool" as they both have stock wheel covers and even fender skirts; however, the Vette does have aluminum knock-offs.

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slimwhitman
Posted 2018-10-27 9:39 PM (#572497 - in reply to #572457)
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Sonoramic60 - 2018-10-27 9:05 AM

Slim --
It looks as though that '60 New Yorker was photographed some time in the mid or late '60s: note the narrow white walls and swept roof line of the car in the background which kinda resembles that of the '67 Dodge Coronet R/T I had back then. They're not really "poverty hubcaps" but "baby moons" which guys like me put on our cars to be more "cool," a la Charles M. Schultz's "Snoopy's "Joe Cool." I had them on my '60 Fury, my '65 Sport Fury, and my '67 R/T. In fact, Jack Smith of Plymouth Road Runner fame, in a talk at the Plymouth Owners Club national meet this year, talked about younger guys who didn't have cars going through the "Dad, can I use the car tonight" routine, then immediately pulling the stock wheel covers and putting them in the trunk (plain black painted steel wheels were better than stock hubcaps). But nobody except the old men in Buicks and Hollywood blonds in T-birds wanted wire wheels. Most people in this forum have no idea how hard we worked to be "cool" in those days.
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PS, the '60 Fury and '65 Sport Fury above are not "cool" as they both have stock wheel covers and even fender skirts; however, the Vette does have aluminum knock-offs.

I totally get it. I put similar hub caps on my '60 DeSoto many years ago. It just surprised me to see it on a vintage photo of a top-line gold 4-door. A coupe or convertible?...sure. But most young men stuck driving a gold 4-door probably wouldn't have bothered. My mom tells me about when she met my dad in '68. They were 20 years old and he drove a black '59 Galaxie sedan. She felt sorry for him driving an old man's car. He was quite embarrassed about it, too.
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Posted 2018-10-27 11:18 PM (#572499 - in reply to #572457)
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"Cool" always equalled adolescent rebellion, and who/what does youth
rebel against ? That's right, their parents' generation. While most car
people today see the late 50's and 60's through the singular perspective
of teenagers living in an American Graffiti fantasy, most people buying
new Forward Look cars were adults, ... the parents those adolescents
thought were so "square", with their Buicks, DeSotos, and wire wheels.
I guess "cool" is all in one's age and perspective. I always saw baby
moons or missing hubcaps as white trash/hillbilly "touches" to the cars
they beat to death before junking them altogether. Of course, MY parents
were buying sh!tty cars like Pintos, so "rebelling" against that was (and
remains) justified ! But by extension, what I found cool in the mid-60's
to late 70's were time capsule cars that still exhibited their period grace
and elegance, be that the '23 Packard town car in Mr. Lott's basement,
the Model T flatbed in Mrs. Miller's barn, or the '56 Imperial with wire wheels
I only saw occasionally driving around town. They were windows directly
into another time, and to me, that was "cool". A very different "cool" than
what Joe refers to. "Cool" is all a matter of perspective.
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Posted 2018-10-28 8:02 AM (#572505 - in reply to #572401)
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1960fury
Posted 2018-10-28 10:24 AM (#572507 - in reply to #572401)
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1960fury - 2018-10-18 5:16 PM


A '60 New Yorker 4DRHT with poverty hub caps? Crazy.


I personally believe bodycolor painted rims and "poverty" caps with whitewalls look just perfect on ALL 50s cars, cheap and expensive, maybe the ultimate look. Here's a picture of a 59 Impala with "poverty" caps. Just beautiful.



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1960fury
Posted 2018-10-28 2:34 PM (#572514 - in reply to #572507)
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There is a fullsize version of this on flickr and the car in the background looks weird. Maybe a 57/58 Chrysler/Desoto convertible, but roofline looks weird. Taillights are not Desoto but the bumper is. Or am I seeing things? If you zoom into it, the bumper is definitely 58 Desoto and it seems to wear cruiser skirts.

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Sonoramic60
Posted 2018-10-28 4:40 PM (#572528 - in reply to #572514)
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the DeSoto/Chrysler other than to offer that I think it's a 2-dr H/T and not a vert. However, I don't make those skirts out to be "cruiser skirts" as I remember them, but just ordinary ones. As I recall, cruiser skirts were very long and in fact fitted not only over the wheel opening but extended all the way back to the rear bumper.
That '59 Impala is indeed a nice car (one of my favorite Chevys), but I'd prefer an all-red job such as the one a buddy of mine had (with the 320 horse three-pot 348 and 4-speed no less). He put chrome reversed wheels with baby moons on it and it was quite a sharp car. GM was pretty good about body color wheels, but I don't remember Chrysler products coming from the factory with anything but black steel wheels, although another friend of mine did paint the wheels red on his '60 Fury (also an all white a 2dr H/T SonoRamic).
BTW, I do love that red '59 droptop Bonneville across the street, even if it probably doesn't have the Tri-Power and does have the Hydramatic.
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1960fury
Posted 2018-10-28 5:01 PM (#572529 - in reply to #572528)
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Sid --
I'm afraid I can't help you with the DeSoto/Chrysler other than to offer that I think it's a 2-dr H/T and not a vert. However, I don't make those skirts out to be "cruiser skirts" as I remember them, but just ordinary ones. As I recall, cruiser skirts were very long and in fact fitted not only over the wheel opening but extended all the way back to the rear bumper.
That '59 Impala is indeed a nice car (one of my favorite Chevys), but I'd prefer an all-red job such as the one a buddy of mine had (with the 320 horse three-pot 348 and 4-speed no less). He put chrome reversed wheels with baby moons on it and it was quite a sharp car. GM was pretty good about body color wheels, but I don't remember Chrysler products coming from the factory with anything but black steel wheels, although another friend of mine did paint the wheels red on his '60 Fury (also an all white a 2dr H/T SonoRamic).
BTW, I do love that red '59 droptop Bonneville across the street, even if it probably doesn't have the Tri-Power and does have the Hydramatic.
Joe


Joe, you are probably right, a 2 d. ht. A buddy of mine has a red 59 Chevy with red painted wheels, poverty caps and whitewalls. It is an export Biscaine rhd that he dressed like an Impala or Bel Air. Note the German license that usually shows the "Euro"-flag. He painted over it, a felony in Germany

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Ray Bell
Posted 2018-10-28 5:13 PM (#572530 - in reply to #81647)
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Wasn't it spelled 'Biscayne'?
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Posted 2018-10-28 5:34 PM (#572531 - in reply to #572530)
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Ray Bell - 2018-10-28 5:13 PM

Wasn't it spelled 'Biscayne'?


I don't know and I have really no idea how to find an answer for that important question. Wait, instead of answering your question, I could have done a google search!
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Posted 2018-10-28 5:36 PM (#572532 - in reply to #572531)
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Posted 2018-10-28 6:13 PM (#572533 - in reply to #572528)
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Not a DeSoto - no fins.

And compare the side two-toning with the Firesweep sedan up front in the photo. All 1957 DeSotos had that trim on the two tone models with the top bar running from front to rear in a straight line. For 1958 the bottom bar went straight front to rear with the upper bar taking a sweep up into the fin.

That white with blue car appears to be a 1956 Mercury. The car in the photo is not too clear given the distance from the camera, but it looks pretty close to the photo I have attached - 1956 Mercury Medalist 2dr hardtop. Biggest problem with tracking down decent photos of 1955-56 Mercurys is finding one without a continental kit. I remember the 1955-56 models and don't recall continental kits being that popular, except Nash Ambassadors and Metropolitans.





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Posted 2018-10-29 7:43 AM (#572552 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-29 9:21 AM (#572556 - in reply to #572533)
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Not a DeSoto - no fins.

And compare the side two-toning with the Firesweep sedan up front in the photo. All 1957 DeSotos had that trim on the two tone models with the top bar running from front to rear in a straight line. For 1958 the bottom bar went straight front to rear with the upper bar taking a sweep up into the fin.

That white with blue car appears to be a 1956 Mercury. The car in the photo is not too clear given the distance from the camera, but it looks pretty close to the photo I have attached - 1956 Mercury Medalist 2dr hardtop. Biggest problem with tracking down decent photos of 1955-56 Mercurys is finding one without a continental kit. I remember the 1955-56 models and don't recall continental kits being that popular, except Nash Ambassadors and Metropolitans.



Not the skirted Merc, the car in the parking lot, to the left. It is a 58 Desoto. You can zoom in if you click on the link in my post and then on the photo.
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Posted 2018-10-29 11:48 AM (#572565 - in reply to #572556)
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1960fury - 2018-10-29 9:21 AM
Not the skirted Merc, the car in the parking lot, to the left. It is a 58 Desoto. You can zoom in if you click on the link in my post and then on the photo.


I am not convinced.





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Posted 2018-10-29 12:06 PM (#572566 - in reply to #572556)
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Ah, to the left of the old Studebaker.

Yes, that looks like a 1958 DeSoto. Looks more like a 2 door hardtop (low window), though, with fender skirts. Taillights appear to be DeSoto, but as the photograph is focused on the 1957 Firesweep and its driver in the foreground everything else is not in focus.





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Posted 2018-10-29 3:52 PM (#572580 - in reply to #572566)
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Good comparison between a 59 Chevy 4 d. ht. and a 57 Plymouth 4 d. ht.

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Sonoramic60 - 2018-10-28 4:40 PM Sid -- I'm afraid I can't help you with the DeSoto/Chrysler other than to offer that I think it's a 2-dr H/T and not a vert. However, I don't make those skirts out to be "cruiser skirts" as I remember them, but just ordinary ones. As I recall, cruiser skirts were very long and in fact fitted not only over the wheel opening but extended all the way back to the rear bumper. That '59 Impala is indeed a nice car (one of my favorite Chevys), but I'd prefer an all-red job such as the one a buddy of mine had (with the 320 horse three-pot 348 and 4-speed no less). He put chrome reversed wheels with baby moons on it and it was quite a sharp car. GM was pretty good about body color wheels, but I don't remember Chrysler products coming from the factory with anything but black steel wheels, although another friend of mine did paint the wheels red on his '60 Fury (also an all white a 2dr H/T SonoRamic). BTW, I do love that red '59 droptop Bonneville across the street, even if it probably doesn't have the Tri-Power and does have the Hydramatic. Joe
Joe, you are probably right, a 2 d. ht. A buddy of mine has a red 59 Chevy with red painted wheels, poverty caps and whitewalls. It is an export Biscaine rhd that he dressed like an Impala or Bel Air. Note the German license that usually shows the "Euro"-flag. He painted over it, a felony in Germany :)

I salute your friend for his good taste. I had ancestors who fought in the Confederate Army in Tennessee. I suppose his use of the Army of Northern Virginia's Battle flag on his license plate just means that he is rebellious.I'll bet it gets a lot of eyeballs from the police from time to time though.





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Posted 2018-10-30 7:27 AM (#572609 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-31 8:13 AM (#572669 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-11-01 5:59 AM (#572740 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-11-03 7:58 AM (#572838 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-11-04 7:02 AM (#572880 - in reply to #81647)
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Wow, that photo opens up for questions - as I (think) see Jacqueline Kennedy, would that Be John F Kennedy's coffin?
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Posted 2018-11-04 11:28 AM (#572890 - in reply to #572881)
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Wow, that photo opens up for questions - as I (think) see Jacqueline Kennedy, would that Be John F Kennedy's coffin?


That is indeed, Jacqueline Kennedy and JFK's coffin.





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Here's a pic full of strange vehicles...

The Mini is a 'Buckle Monaco' conversion which put a fibreglass lid on a Mini. Up in the background there's a Valiant utility,
but not just any Valiant utility. It's one of the ones that was shortened to do secret testing for the racing Valiant Chargers
(triple Webers on the 265 Hemi 6, 302hp and all that). And to the left is an AP3 Chrysler Royal, the Forward Look model of the
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Posted 2018-11-07 2:51 PM (#573124 - in reply to #572897)
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Posted 2018-11-07 7:18 PM (#573144 - in reply to #573124)
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Posted 2018-11-08 1:02 PM (#573177 - in reply to #81647)
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Denise McCluggage and and Allen Eager at Sebring 1961. Tiki Joe restaurant at Miramar Hotel, Santa Monica, California





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Posted 2018-11-08 8:23 PM (#573188 - in reply to #81647)
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Construction of the Embarcadero Freeway.



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Posted 2018-11-08 9:10 PM (#573193 - in reply to #573188)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-08 8:23 PM

Construction of the Embarcadero Freeway.


"Interstate 480 (or better known as the Embarcadero Freeway) opened in 1959, and over the course of its history was intended to connect the Bay Bridge to the Golden Gate Bridge. Imagine! If the project had been successfully completed, the freeway would’ve spanned from the financial district to the Marina district, blotting over a sizable chunk of real estate, which, as we know, is one of the most aesthetic parts of the city. But back then it seemed that efficiency and interstate travel trumped beauty and open panoramas.

The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake changed everything for the freeway. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise. Because the freeway was seriously damaged, its actual existence began to be questioned in earnest, and the resulting debates brought out staunch supporters on both sides: those who wanted it to remain (and be re-built), and those who wanted it demolished forever.

Suffice it to say that the demolition supporters won over, and the freeway’s destruction began in 1991. The huge elephant would be no more. It was most certainly an eyesore, and with its removal, the whole embarcadero area has undergone a major revitalization, its beauty and pleasures now front and center, for all to see and experience. It’s a change for the better."

REFERENCE: https://lostsf.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/the-elephant-obstructing-bea...

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1960fury
Posted 2018-11-09 8:27 PM (#573251 - in reply to #573193)
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1rst Picture, 1956 Plymouth?

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Posted 2018-11-09 10:47 PM (#573260 - in reply to #573251)
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It sure looks like a '56 with that swept back lower "swoosh" and hint of a tail fin.
I think the "American girl" one was taken in Silverton, Colorado, the northern terminus of the Durango and Silverton RR, a steam 3-foot narrow gauge line still in existence. That pink(?) Olds (Pontiac? Buick?) in the far background does seem to have white on green Colorado plates.
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Posted 2018-11-09 11:04 PM (#573261 - in reply to #81647)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2018-11-10 4:46 PM (#573284 - in reply to #573260)
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Originally posted by Sonoramic60
.....I think the "American girl" one was taken in Silverton, Colorado, the northern terminus of the Durango and Silverton RR, a steam 3-foot narrow gauge line still in existence.....


Definitely the case, E 12th Street, in fact.
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Posted 2018-11-11 5:13 PM (#573332 - in reply to #573284)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-11-11 10:28 PM (#573350 - in reply to #573332)
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What is the non-U.S. car coming toward the camera in the shot
with the 60 Imperial above ?
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Posted 2018-11-11 11:22 PM (#573352 - in reply to #81647)
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It's a Rover 75, one of the P4 series, here's a quote from Wikipedia......"The Rover P4 series is a group of mid-size luxury saloon cars produced by the Rover Company from 1949 until 1964"
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Ray Bell
Posted 2018-11-12 1:27 AM (#573360 - in reply to #81647)
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It could even be a 90 or 100...

Solid machines, their 4-speed boxes were commandeered for some racing sedans of other makes back in the day. But the F-head engines were a bit behind the times,
which led to them getting the BOP V8 in the last of them.
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