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Ray Bell
Posted 2020-09-04 5:59 PM (#602931 - in reply to #81647)
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Can anyone pick the car stopped at the pedestrian crossing?

I thought maybe a Facel Vega, but I don't think it's big enough...
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-09-04 6:39 PM (#602932 - in reply to #602931)
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Ray Bell - 2020-09-04 2:59 PM
Can anyone pick the car stopped at the pedestrian crossing?
I thought maybe a Facel Vega, but I don't think it's big enough...


Not a Facel Vega (typically 4 heads, 2 per side, vertical)

Might be a Simca Aronde Plein Ciel:





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Ray Bell
Posted 2020-09-04 8:25 PM (#602934 - in reply to #81647)
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Well-picked, thank you!

It's also a Forward Look model being the first release from Simca after the Chrysler takeover.

Oh, and the body design was by Facel.
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Posted 2020-09-05 11:58 AM (#602940 - in reply to #81647)
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Michael Corleone’s 1958 Imperial Crown Limo in movie
With ’61-62 Chrysler wheel covers…




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Chrycoman
Posted 2020-09-06 2:30 AM (#602949 - in reply to #602934)
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The coupe version (permanent roof) was called the Plein Ciel while the convertible version was Oceane. The two models were on the market by October, 1957, and were dropped late 1961.

The Ford Vedette, the second generation introduced in 1955, was restyled in late 1957, adopting side two tone trim, small fins on the rear fenders, wraparound windshield, and headlamp rims similar to the 1956 Dodge Custom Royal. Ford basically took the 1955 Ford-styled Vedette and turned it into a 1956 Dodge-styled Vedette (Beaulieu). The last Beaulieu was built in October, 1960.

Ford acquired a 15.2% interest (stocks) in Simca on July 31, 1958. In return, Simca acquired Ford's French factories, foundry and the Vedette line of cars, including the 2.3-litre flathead V8 engine. Chrysler acquired Ford's interest in Simca on August 01, 1958. On September 04, 1958, Chrysler acquired a further 10% interest in Simca. By 1963 Chrysler owned about 33% and had total control of Simca by 1970, when Simca became Chrysler France.


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Posted 2020-09-06 2:30 AM (#602950 - in reply to #602934)
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The coupe version (permanent roof) was called the Plein Ciel while the convertible version was Oceane. The two models were on the market by October, 1957, and were dropped late 1961.

The Ford Vedette, the second generation introduced in 1955, was restyled in late 1957, adopting side two tone trim, small fins on the rear fenders, wraparound windshield, and headlamp rims similar to the 1956 Dodge Custom Royal. Ford basically took the 1955 Ford-styled Vedette and turned it into a 1956 Dodge-styled Vedette (Beaulieu). The last Beaulieu was built in October, 1960.

Ford acquired a 15.2% interest (stocks) in Simca on July 31, 1958. In return, Simca acquired Ford's French factories, foundry and the Vedette line of cars, including the 2.3-litre flathead V8 engine. Chrysler acquired Ford's interest in Simca on August 01, 1958. On September 04, 1958, Chrysler acquired a further 10% interest in Simca. By 1963 Chrysler owned about 33% and had total control of Simca by 1970, when Simca became Chrysler France.


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Ray Bell
Posted 2020-09-06 6:33 AM (#602954 - in reply to #81647)
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I like the bit where they sent the tooling to South America for the Vedettes...

And eventually fitted Ardun heads to the Ford V8 and stretched it to 2.5 litres, at the same time taking the porting out of the block.
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Posted 2020-09-08 1:41 PM (#603030 - in reply to #81647)
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I foud these pics on fb. Any info about these? Plant location? Look at the painted symbols on the frame.



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frwl
Posted 2020-09-19 4:32 PM (#603350 - in reply to #81647)
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The ’56 Packard styling but the ’55 Chrysler engine, transmission and drivetrain…
Russian GAZ-13 TCHAIKA (Sea Gull) on the Cuba: is that a forwardlook?

https://carakoom.com/blog/na-kube-est-gaz13-chajka-kotoraya-do-sih-p...





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Ray Bell
Posted 2020-09-19 5:51 PM (#603354 - in reply to #81647)
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A bit of a cheap imitation, right?

Like this one in Michigan built out of a thirties Dodge:




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Posted 2020-09-28 2:51 PM (#603700 - in reply to #81647)
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The Black 1957 Chrysler 300 C Hardtop in the Sochi Autodrom, 2014
Sochi, Krasnodar Area, South Federal County, Russia
I think it has serial number 3N57*2241




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56D500boy
Posted 2020-09-30 1:23 PM (#603796 - in reply to #603700)
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Sunday going to church in the 56 Coronet and then heading off to the Merrimac Motel in DC for a lovely stay.





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Posted 2020-09-30 5:11 PM (#603814 - in reply to #81647)
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Thanks for bringing it back to topic.
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Posted 2020-10-15 3:29 AM (#604469 - in reply to #603814)
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Sweden 1958 (Pics from Malmö museum)

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Posted 2020-10-18 10:12 AM (#604581 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2020-10-21 9:56 AM (#604732 - in reply to #604581)
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VTForwardLook
Posted 2020-10-21 2:30 PM (#604743 - in reply to #81647)
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Curious if anyone knows what the power train was for those Darts or the Windsor cop shown in the last 2 pictures. Did they have a standard "police package" back then?
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-10-21 2:54 PM (#604746 - in reply to #604743)
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Curious if anyone knows what the power train was for those Darts or the Windsor cop shown in the last 2 pictures. Did they have a standard "police package" back then?


According to the 56-78 Mopar Police Car book by Sanow and Bellah:

1. 1960 Dodge and Dart Police Highway Patrol Pursuits:

361 2bbl Super Red Ram 295 hp 390 lb-ft
383 4bbl Special Police Pursuit, 325 hp, 435 lb-ft
383 8bbl D-500 Ram Induction, 330 hp, 460 lb-ft

2. 1960 Dodge General Purpose Patrol:

318 poly, 2bbl, Red Ram, 230 hp, 340 lb-ft (Dart only)
361 2bbl Super Red Ram 295 hp 390 lb-ft

3. 1961 Chrysler Enforcer:

383 8bbl Dodge D-500 Ram Induction, 330 hp, 460 lb-ft

"America's hottest cop car in 1961"

16.9 sec, 86 mph, 1/4 mile, 131 mph top speed.


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VTForwardLook
Posted 2020-10-21 3:50 PM (#604749 - in reply to #81647)
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Thanks for the info! Man, I'll be the dual quad 383 set up hauled ass!
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Viper Guy
Posted 2020-10-22 8:00 PM (#604794 - in reply to #604749)
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VTForwardLook - 2020-10-21 2:50 PM

Thanks for the info! Man, I'll be the dual quad 383 set up hauled ass!


Not really. They were doggy off the line but pulled hard toward the end of the
quarter mile. My ‘56 Fury turned the quarter in the low 16’s with its 303 and
a three speed manual in G/S.

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Posted 2020-10-23 4:17 PM (#604832 - in reply to #604746)
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CAR LIFE - Oct 1961

383 4-bbl, special cam, 325 bhp

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Posted 2020-10-23 4:50 PM (#604833 - in reply to #81647)
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Funny that they continue to use the early '56 Dodge dog dish caps. Why not use the '56 Plymouth or later version of the '56 Dodge wheel with Chrysler dog dish caps? Oh well, still looks good.

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Posted 2020-11-03 5:21 PM (#605287 - in reply to #81647)
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Car Life touted that the specs of the Chrysler  Enforcer were 1962 specs and bragged that this was to all intents and purposes, the first road test of a 1962 model. I wonder when the test drive was taken as the car is obviouslly last year's model (1961) and the testers hinted that they could not divulge the styling lines of the 1962s yet (but surely by October 1961, which is when the article appeared, the public had some idea of what the new 1962 cars would look like.)



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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-11-03 11:23 PM (#605293 - in reply to #81647)
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Why is there a "2.45 x 2.2" first gear listed in the magazine article?
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Posted 2020-11-05 1:15 PM (#605324 - in reply to #605293)
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1960 Polara 2 door HT.




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Posted 2020-11-06 4:52 PM (#605369 - in reply to #605324)
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1960 New Yorker four door hardtop.





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Posted 2020-11-07 11:16 AM (#605390 - in reply to #605369)
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Imperial Parade Phaeton in the movie "The Big Circus" 1959



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Posted 2020-11-14 12:42 PM (#605651 - in reply to #605390)
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Posted 2020-11-14 5:30 PM (#605659 - in reply to #605651)
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That photo must have been taken in the 70/80s. A friend of mine owned it for a very long time, that photo would have been at Lyttelton, CHCH,NZ where he worked on the wharves. I purchased the car off him some time later , it has since changed hands a couple of times and i believe it is still in the lower South Island and being done up. The SW was extremely rusty and my understanding is that it originally came out from London ,England to NZ in its early life.
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Posted 2020-11-18 10:24 AM (#605739 - in reply to #605659)
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Stockholm Sweden 1962. Out side off parliament building

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Ray Bell
Posted 2020-11-20 6:32 AM (#605813 - in reply to #605293)
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Originally posted by jboymechanic
Why is there a "2.45 x 2.2" first gear listed in the magazine article?


I would guess it's something to do with slippage in the torque converter...

Or the stall of the converter. I don't know about these things, I stick to manuals.
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Posted 2020-11-20 11:17 AM (#605818 - in reply to #605813)
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The things you have to do today to get around slower cars. Sheesh.





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Posted 2020-11-20 3:33 PM (#605842 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2020-11-21 9:04 AM (#605868 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2020-11-21 1:28 PM (#605888 - in reply to #81647)
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Ray, i believe the answer to your question about the gear ratio is 2.45 is the actual gear ratio of first gear and 2.2 is the torque multiplication of the torque converter. I am just guessing because I've never seen the torque listed as a gear ratio.
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Posted 2020-11-21 2:56 PM (#605892 - in reply to #81647)
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That's my assumption at all...

I was putting that forth for the one who asked the question, Jon.
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Posted 2020-11-23 1:04 PM (#605955 - in reply to #81647)
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Thanks for getting back to my question, and sorry I slightly side-tracked the thread.
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Posted 2020-12-11 4:03 AM (#606615 - in reply to #605955)
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Posted 2020-12-29 3:01 AM (#607218 - in reply to #81647)
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The Kelly Tire ad is from Ron.



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Posted 2021-01-26 1:43 AM (#608200 - in reply to #607218)
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Posted 2021-01-26 1:43 PM (#608211 - in reply to #81647)
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Wow, a beetle, a hot dog stand and two toads.
The city djungle

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Posted 2021-01-28 12:54 AM (#608275 - in reply to #608211)
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Posted 2021-01-28 1:16 AM (#608276 - in reply to #81647)
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Yes Doc, The Ford Anglia got that name in Sweden. The cat skull is the Austin A30 and the toads is probably one 60 and one 62 Valiant.
I think I see a "Saturdays off" as well, that's the Anglia with the slanted rear window. It got the name due to the slanted rear window - there was no time to finish it properly due in a working week.
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Posted 2021-01-28 1:29 AM (#608277 - in reply to #81647)
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The Hot Dog Stand is the Anglia E494A 1948-1953
The Saturdays off is the Anglia 105E 1959-1967
The Cat skull is the Austin A30 1951-1956

Back when I was young, seeing any of those would almost make me throw up....
Nowadays, seeing the new modern cars, those pityful excauses for cars actually grows on me......
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Posted 2021-01-28 6:03 AM (#608281 - in reply to #608277)
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The A30 with a bigger back window and painted grille, along with an increase from 803cc to 948cc, continued as the A35 until 1959.

Replaced by the Mini, I guess.
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Posted 2021-01-31 5:25 PM (#608428 - in reply to #607218)
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Found these "snaps" in an old folder this AM.

My family on holiday in our "new" (1 year old) 1955 Dodge Regent 6 cyl/3 on the tree, in Banff Alberta, May 1956 and then Montana in early July 1956. I'm the shortest person (5 years old). That car became my first car in 1967 when I turned 16. I learned to drive it as soon as I could reach the pedals (about 12 or 13).





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Posted 2021-02-01 4:47 AM (#608445 - in reply to #81647)
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Chrycoman
Posted 2021-02-14 3:23 PM (#608904 - in reply to #608281)
Subject: Re: Forwardlooks in old pictures/postcards



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The A35 was replaced by the A40 Farina. Same engine but 4" more wheelbase. Last A40 Farina was built in 1968.



(1960 Austin UK A40 2dr Sedan C.jpg)



(1960 Austin UK A40 2dr Sedan D.jpg)



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Ray Bell
Posted 2021-02-15 11:19 AM (#608941 - in reply to #81647)
Subject: Re: Forwardlooks in old pictures/postcards



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It had a much wider track, too...

The A30/A35 shared axle dimensions with the Austin-Healey Sprite and MG Midget, the A40 rear axle was unique and wider than the A30, but not as wide as the Morris Minor/Wolseley 1500 rear axle. The Farina A40 was mechanically identical to the Morris Minor 1000 otherwise, 948cc, 4-speed floor change, 4.555:1 rear end, though it had 13" wheels while the Morris had 14". One other difference was the carburetion, the Morris using the SU while the Farina A40 (like the A30/A35 IIRC) having a Zenith.

The wheel size/axle ratio setup was strange, really, as the 803cc Morris Minor compared to the A30 with the same engine had a 5.375:1 rear end while the A30 went with a 5.125:1, which changed to a 4.875:1 at some stage while the 803cc Minor never changed.
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