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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-11-30 1:06 AM (#349046 - in reply to #348972)
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Those scrap pile pics glue eyesight to the screen.. what a waste of parts needed now, too little demand back then.

Click the picture to enlarge it.


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For every photo like this, there were 500 or more wrecking yards chewing these cars up and taking more in every day.
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hemidave
Posted 2012-11-30 8:18 AM (#349090 - in reply to #81647)
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D500Jim
Posted 2012-11-30 9:00 AM (#349093 - in reply to #348966)
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1959 & 1960 Plymouth Savoy Taxicabs at the Greyhound Terminal in Cleveland, Ohio

1959 & 1960 Plymouth Savoy Taxicabs at the Greyhound Terminal in Cleveland, Ohio

Amazingly, the building is still there, all the same!

(Plymouth ForwardLook postcards)


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55BlueHeron
Posted 2012-11-30 2:01 PM (#349138 - in reply to #81647)
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d500neil
Posted 2012-11-30 3:00 PM (#349146 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: bishop, ca		I should already know this, but what kind/brand of heads are on that flat-head V/8, above here?

The architectural style of that Greyhound terminal is called "Streamline Moderne", from the 1930's.










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wizard
Posted 2012-11-30 3:02 PM (#349147 - in reply to #81647)
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hemidave
Posted 2012-11-30 4:19 PM (#349157 - in reply to #81647)
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Yes, they are Ardun heads, and are expensive today if you can find a complete set....$3-4K. They are reproducing them, with better coolant flow, etc., but I would rather the originals.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-11-30 4:44 PM (#349164 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: bishop, ca		Check this out: Dunno where the flattie-engine photo was taken, but the Custom Royal sedan may have been built in Canada!

Thanks to David's posting, elsewhere on this board, it looks like this car may have the Icecap White roof, with the Black in its
'Saddle'(middle-area), and with Dove Grey in its lower area!








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vedette
Posted 2012-11-30 9:55 PM (#349223 - in reply to #81647)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-11-30 9:59 PM (#349225 - in reply to #349223)
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Location: little rock, AR		I never found one of those in my trunk. Is that the same thing as " she has some junk in her trunk".
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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-01 2:25 AM (#349240 - in reply to #349138)
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55BlueHeron - 2012-11-30 7:01 PM "1959 & 1960 Plymouth Savoy Taxicabs at the Greyhound Terminal in Cleveland, Ohio " - and a 61 Plymouth behind the taxis

Thanks! I'll correct it right away.

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hemidave
Posted 2012-12-01 8:02 AM (#349258 - in reply to #81647)
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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-01 10:34 AM (#349270 - in reply to #349093)
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1958 Plymouth Belvedere & 1958 Plymouth Plaza Silver Special at the Florida State Supreme Court in Tallahassee, Florida

1958 Plymouth Belvedere & 1958 Plymouth Plaza Silver Special at the Florida State Supreme Court in Tallahassee, Florida

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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-01 10:42 AM (#349271 - in reply to #349270)
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If you're on FaceBook, you can see my ForwardLook postcards there, too.

On http://www.facebook.com/forwardlook.postcards

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vedette
Posted 2012-12-01 12:07 PM (#349283 - in reply to #349225)
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oldwood - 2012-11-30 9:59 PM

I never found one of those in my trunk. Is that the same thing as " she has some junk in her trunk".


I think those were official Mopar Accesories



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rbmain
Posted 2012-12-01 12:32 PM (#349285 - in reply to #81647)
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Looks like Fred Woods, Jr., the Chowchilla Kidnapper. He loves Mopars and has a lot of them.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-01 1:33 PM (#349288 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: bishop, ca		AKA: Buck Baker, the renowned NASCAR racer.

That's Coral Gables FL, there.

Also note that this car has that "D501-shaped" emblem on its trunk; it's not a 501, but the same subcontractor that made
the 501 emblems also had made a few of the oddly shaped, slightly oversize, 500 emblems.

This Accessory Group has the best looking assemblage of female-types that I've ever seen, outside of a Miss Exner-
Universe pageant.


Also note that this car shows no evidence of having the "Heartbreak of LDS" (Limp Deck Syndrome).




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57plymouth
Posted 2012-12-01 2:08 PM (#349294 - in reply to #81647)
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oldwood
Posted 2012-12-01 2:24 PM (#349296 - in reply to #349283)
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vedette - 2012-12-01 12:07 PM

oldwood - 2012-11-30 9:59 PM

I never found one of those in my trunk. Is that the same thing as " she has some junk in her trunk".


I think those were official Mopar Accesories
I think I see enough room for 1 more, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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Ray Bell
Posted 2012-12-01 3:26 PM (#349314 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Let me see now... 1957 she would have been mid-twenties, perhaps a little more...

Add 55 years to that, are you sure you want to pursue an octogenarian?
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-01 3:31 PM (#349316 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: bishop, ca		Hey, I'm not a vegetarian, I eat octopus, altho I'm not a vegemiterian.

Waitaminite--you're not talkning about age, are you/

These wimmen would be septagenarians, not Octo-moms...








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vedette
Posted 2012-12-01 7:35 PM (#349355 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-01 7:53 PM (#349359 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: little rock, AR		Thanks Mark for your help in bringing these to our site. The 57 Plymouth with WINGS was someone's new car and I'm sure it brought a lot of joy and attention. All of these cars made their new owners very proud. And all of these car are being transported by Mother Dodge!!!
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Posted 2012-12-01 8:15 PM (#349363 - in reply to #349359)
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Location: bishop, ca		What's REALLY interesting, Dorsey, is the photo of the two 59 Dodges, on the trailer.

The upper car, a 'stripper' Coronet (as seen with its standard side trim, only, and: blackwall tires) has 'body' colored wheels, which
indicates that it would have the dog-dish hub caps on it.

The lower car, another Coronet, but having the higher-line side-trim on it, and whitewalls, has the standard-OEM-factory Eggshell
colored outer edges on its wheel(s), which is painted over the standard-gray inner area......will have the full-width wheel
covers on it.

The Eggshell colored wheels were installed on any car having the full wheel covers on it, regardless what that car's
body color(s) may have been.

We've seen a lot of examples of cars having body-colored (dog-dish) wheels on it, but not as yet two OEM examples
of those two styles, right next to each other!




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1960ny
Posted 2012-12-01 8:34 PM (#349364 - in reply to #81647)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-12-01 11:55 PM (#349383 - in reply to #349364)
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-02 2:15 AM (#349393 - in reply to #349383)
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Location: bishop, ca		Yeah, and after only 115 pages of thread discussion!

What gives?


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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-02 5:41 AM (#349398 - in reply to #349270)
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1959 Chrysler New Yorker & 1960 Plymouth Suburban on Wood Street in Historic Nevada City, Montana

1959 Chrysler New Yorker & 1960 Plymouth Suburban on Wood Street in Historic Nevada City, Montana

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hemidave
Posted 2012-12-02 8:57 AM (#349410 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-03 3:43 AM (#349520 - in reply to #349398)
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1957 Plymouth Custom Suburban at the Dreamland Motel in Rawlins, Wyoming

1957 Plymouth Custom Suburban at the Dreamland Motel in Rawlins, Wyoming

All that remains is a vacant lot now ...

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hemidave
Posted 2012-12-03 7:38 AM (#349528 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-03 8:48 AM (#349532 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-03 11:43 AM (#349552 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-03 12:02 PM (#349554 - in reply to #349552)
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Posted 2012-12-03 1:44 PM (#349568 - in reply to #349520)
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1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

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Posted 2012-12-03 1:57 PM (#349570 - in reply to #349532)
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If it didnt say 1959, I would swear thats a 60 dodge outside Lewis Motors



could be late september 59 (60 model year) but its a 59 olds.
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soiouz
Posted 2012-12-03 2:45 PM (#349577 - in reply to #349568)
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1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

(Plymouth ForwardLook postcards)




That's some Canadian visiting a neighbour to the south, as the car is clearly a Dodge Mayfair (look at the front bumper/fender/trim, Dodge hubcaps).
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Posted 2012-12-03 3:08 PM (#349579 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		David, you beat me to it on recognising the Dodge Mayfair. Bellingham is about 20 minutes south of the Blaine, WA / Whiterock, BC Border Crossing and you always find a lot of Canadian cars there. These days there are a lot of factory outlet shopping centres in the area that the Canadian women flock to.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-03 3:22 PM (#349580 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: bishop, ca		Note the age of those gas pump-jockeys (as they were called, back then)!

I wonder what their hourly wages were.

Also note the Shell Lubrication that is advertised as being done every 1,000 miles.

Said it before, & I'll say it again---today's cars (OK: transportation vehicles) are quantomly better economic bargains
that were the cars of the 50's-70's, based upon maintenance costs, MPG costs, and life expectancy, when compared
in terms of inflation-adjusted pricing.

A $4K car, in 1960, would be about $40K, today, and it would provide 15(if you're lucky)MPG with gas costing $3.00+/gallon
in daily usage, and that new car would have an average service life of about 5-7 years.

And, people tended to pay cash for their new cars, because they saved their money, and because they had little else to spend/waste
their disposable income on, like we all do, today.

A $40K car, today, should provide at least 15 years of service life, and still provide some decent used-value, too.






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Posted 2012-12-03 5:40 PM (#349596 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-03 7:06 PM (#349604 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2012-12-04 12:27 AM (#349648 - in reply to #349580)
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Note the age of those gas pump-jockeys (as they were called, back then)! I wonder what their hourly wages were.

Also note the Shell Lubrication that is advertised as being done every 1,000 miles.

Said it before, & I'll say it again---today's cars (OK: transportation vehicles) are
quantomly better economic bargains that were the cars of the 50's-70's, based
upon maintenance costs, MPG costs, and life expectancy, when compared in terms
of inflation-adjusted pricing.

A $4K car, in 1960, would be about $40K, today, and it would provide 15(if you're
lucky)MPG with gas costing $3.00+/gallon in daily usage, and that new car would
have an average service life of about 5-7 years.

And, people tended to pay cash for their new cars, because they saved their money,
and because they had little else to spend/waste their disposable income on, like we
all do, today.

A $40K car, today, should provide at least 15 years of service life, and still provide
some decent used-value, too.


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From a hobbyists' standpoint, my primary interest in life has always been history.

Neil, while your comments DO hold water, there is more going on to this concept, and
to assign "value" here would be a subjective "non-correct-i-tude".

For wear and tear, we had al least two major factors going on that need to be accounted
for.

One, technology in bearings, lube points, etc. were not what we have today, requiring
more frequent service to keep them in good repair. But let's keep in mind that 60 years
before that horses were pulling wagons around with WOOD or steel contact points, greased
up with lard, whale blubber, etc !!! So, it is an evolutionary thing, and our 50's cars are
FAR closer to what we have today than they are to what was going on 60 years earlier.

Secondly, we have to account for other techs - roads, an emerging "car-based" marketing
that drew consumers to use cars differently, etc. and how it affected expectations and attitudes
towards cars. I would submit that life moves along pretty much the same for those who can
afford a new car every couple of years. But for everyone else, when you're one of the
unwashed masses knocking down that minimum wage, a starting price on a used car that
sold new for 30K+ is a huge cost to assume. Thusly, people tend to treat cars with more
concern for long term ownership, combined with those more advanced bearings, etc., tend to
lengthen service life for the secondary market.

I would counter that anyone wishing to take impeccable care of their 1957 NY'er could have
easily got 50 years service life out of it - but the attitude was different then - and VERY FEW
had any interest in hanging on to a car for years and years because up to a point, every year
brought new and exciting and better performing cars. Why keep the older, sluggish car, when
this "new" one goes faster, stops faster, corners better, and is more comfortable to drive ?
That angle is largely non-existent anymore, and new car makers instead offer stupid sh!t like
cup holders and in-car TV's and navigation systems to create the illusion of the buyer getting
something new and awesome for their 30K+.

While I have no data other than spot observation to quantify this, I suspect that if a restored
57 NY'er and a new pushbutton Lincoln were kept in similarly impeccable repair, it would be the
Lincoln that would fail first, based on the electronics and incompatibility with the system to keep
up with the rapid pace electronics advance. In ten years, you'll be hard put to find parts, and
making them is a massive undertaking. With the NY'er, it's all pretty much just metal, glass, and
fabric, ... stuff most any skilled person can make from scratch or fund. Try reproducing a one-
piece plastic bumper /nose for under 20K !
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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-04 1:01 AM (#349649 - in reply to #349577)
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D500Jim - 2012-12-03 1:44 PM

1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

That's some Canadian visiting a neighbour to the south, as the car is clearly a Dodge Mayfair (look at the front bumper/fender/trim, Dodge hubcaps).

You're right, again. I'll correct it at the postcard website. Should I file this one under Dodge or Plymouth? 
Amazingly how quickly I can be fooled, just looking at the back of the car.


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Posted 2012-12-04 6:10 AM (#349657 - in reply to #349568)
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1955 Dodge Custom Royal on Main Street in Central City, Colorado

1955 Dodge Custom Royal on Main Street in Central City, Colorado

And a 1959 Dodge in the far distance at the right

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Posted 2012-12-04 7:17 AM (#349662 - in reply to #349649)
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D500Jim - 2012-12-03 1:44 PM

1958 Plymouth Belvedere at the Horseshoe Cafe in Bellingham, Washington

That's some Canadian visiting a neighbour to the south, as the car is clearly a Dodge Mayfair (look at the front bumper/fender/trim, Dodge hubcaps).

You're right, again. I'll correct it at the postcard website. Should I file this one under Dodge or Plymouth? 
Amazingly how quickly I can be fooled, just looking at the back of the car.




I would file it under "Dodge".
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hemidave
Posted 2012-12-04 8:45 AM (#349675 - in reply to #81647)
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D500Jim
Posted 2012-12-04 9:46 AM (#349679 - in reply to #349675)
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hemidave - 2012-12-04 1:45 PM July 66

Someone we know ???

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-12-04 11:08 AM (#349685 - in reply to #349649)
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D500Jim - 2012-12-04 10:01 PM
Should I file this one under Dodge or Plymouth? 


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hemidave
Posted 2012-12-04 1:55 PM (#349713 - in reply to #349679)
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hemidave - 2012-12-04 1:45 PM July 66

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He's from MA, but I don't know him.
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Ray Bell
Posted 2012-12-04 10:13 PM (#349759 - in reply to #349648)
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Originally posted by Doctor DeSoto
.....While I have no data other than spot observation to quantify this, I suspect that if a restored
57 NYer and a new pushbutton Lincoln were kept in similarly impeccable repair, it would be the
Lincoln that would fail first, based on the electronics and incompatibility with the system to keep
up with the rapid pace electronics advance. In ten years, you'll be hard put to find parts, and
making them is a massive undertaking. With the NY'er, it's all pretty much just metal, glass, and
fabric, ... stuff most any skilled person can make from scratch or fund. Try reproducing a one-
piece plastic bumper/nose for under 20K!


Oh, how true this is...

I know of ten year old cars that have been put off the road by mysterious electronic gremlins that simply made them unusable. Then you have corrosion in sockets that might be hard to find, a crack in a circuit board, even c0ckroaches can damage circuit boards!

Apart from the Forester I started driving this year, and I only did that because my wife was going to lose two thirds of the purchase cost in just three months, the newest vehicle I've had in the past thirty years was ten years old. I am angling at getting back into my two 1970 model cars when I get them on the road... simple things and I can always add the one thing that modern cars have that does appeal to me, air conditioning, should I need to.

Edited by Ray Bell 2012-12-04 10:16 PM
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