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hemidave
Posted 2013-03-24 8:35 AM (#366123 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-25 8:08 AM (#366220 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-26 8:15 AM (#366366 - in reply to #81647)
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vedette
Posted 2013-03-26 9:37 PM (#366510 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-26 9:38 PM (#366512 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-26 10:15 PM (#366515 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Scotland		1959 DeSoto Diplomat 2 dr HT in early '60s Belgium.Blankenberge is a fun place to visit.

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hemidave
Posted 2013-03-27 8:23 AM (#366575 - in reply to #81647)
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vedette
Posted 2013-03-27 8:41 AM (#366580 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-27 9:01 AM (#366586 - in reply to #366366)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-03-27 9:04 AM (#366588 - in reply to #366580)
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vedette
Posted 2013-03-27 9:19 AM (#366590 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Scotland		ugly?check out this beautiful red/yellow Panhard in Belgium.



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Posted 2013-03-27 9:41 AM (#366591 - in reply to #366588)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-03-27 3:04 PM

It is no wonder Europeans like 50's American cars. Their "domestic" offerings were hideously ugly !


I second that Doc - the cars were sturdy like wallpapered scooters as well as ugly

The translation/slang for Dyna Panhard is something like "manure pan" in Sweden - looks like worn out slippers, but they were actually well constructed following airplane principles

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-03-27 10:52 AM (#366599 - in reply to #366590)
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ugly? Check out this beautiful red/yellow Panhard in Belgium.


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Um ... yeah, ....

"Beautiful" is the word I'd use too.
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Posted 2013-03-27 11:41 AM (#366607 - in reply to #81647)
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Kenny J.
Posted 2013-03-27 11:45 AM (#366608 - in reply to #366588)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-03-27 6:04 AM

It is no wonder Europeans like 50's American cars. Their "domestic" offerings were hideously ugly !


Unfortunately some who like "Yanks Tanks" can't mask their contempt for some of us American people.

Here's another Pittsburgh image, September 7, 1959.

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spinout
Posted 2013-03-27 12:01 PM (#366613 - in reply to #366588)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-03-27 6:04 PM
It is no wonder Europeans like 50's American cars. Their "domestic" offerings were hideously ugly !


But back in time French and other southern Europeans didn't like American cars.. they were too big, expensive, thirsty, over-exaggerated styling, heavily taxed and had poor driving characteristics (dad told so, such tradition) for their narrow streets, so they chose Panhard..

Wow how wide streets in America, as below (see the white Simca, a Chrysler product)...

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Kenny J.
Posted 2013-03-27 12:22 PM (#366619 - in reply to #366613)
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spinout - 2013-03-27 9:01 AM

......Wow how wide streets in America, as below (see the white Simca, a Chrysler product)...


'zactly!!!!

One British critic of American vehicles' size and handling characteristics was reminded by a German journalist that the United States auto manufacturers were not limited by centuries-old narrow city streets nor were they required to engineer handling of said vehicles to compensate for ancient winding country roads.

Apparently, the German journalist hadn't visited parts of Western Pennsylvania nor West Virginia.

K.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-03-27 12:41 PM (#366628 - in reply to #366613)
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But back in time French and other southern Europeans didn't like American cars.. they were too big, expensive, thirsty, over-exaggerated styling, heavily taxed and had poor driving characteristics (dad told so, such tradition) for their narrow streets, so they chose Panhard..


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Well, that settles it. I'd selling my cars and getting me one of those super sexy Panhards.

Just like a Packard except better looking, right ?
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Posted 2013-03-27 4:13 PM (#366653 - in reply to #366619)
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Kenny J. - 2013-03-26 6:22 PM

spinout - 2013-03-27 9:01 AM

......Wow how wide streets in America, as below (see the white Simca, a Chrysler product)...


'zactly!!!!

One British critic of American vehicles' size and handling characteristics was reminded by a German journalist that the United States auto manufacturers were not limited by centuries-old narrow city streets nor were they required to engineer handling of said vehicles to compensate for ancient winding country roads.

Apparently, the German journalist hadn't visited parts of Western Pennsylvania nor West Virginia.

K.


My Chrysli has radial tires (235/75R15) on stock rims and gas shock absorbers at all four corners. Now it handles almost like a contemporary European car as long as I ride it with public road behaviors. I could circle a wide corner with no second correction at the steering wheel nor any body waggling and I could keep the traffic speed even though my Chrysli is ways bigger than a contemporary scooter.

Happy motoring

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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-03-27 9:24 PM (#366697 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		vedette's post of the pic from the Cote d'Azur also has a Chrysler-period Simca, this one a station wagon, it's parked not far back from a rather special Peugeot 203 if I'm not mistaken, though I don't remember what the name was for that variation of the 203...

There are many Dauphines in all of these Euro photos, of course. These are 'cute' perhaps, but not really serious motor cars. And there are the inevitable Citroens, both DS/ID19s and 2CVs (with both cylinders beating furiously...), and the Dodge has a convertible Renault 750 parked beside it.

'750' is an exaggeration, of course. A couple of ccs may not seem much of an exaggeration, but I'm sure that once you get down to that level every one of them is important!
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-03-27 9:33 PM (#366699 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Regarding handling of the FL vehicles...

I would say that brakes would have been an issue with them. Handling could no doubt have been fine-tuned with decent tyres and some wheel alignment experimentation.

But when they converted to RHD there was a serious problem. They then came into the realms of the non-scientific in terms of steering geometry, the mounting of the steering box behind the drag link meaning that anywhere away from centre the steering was doing the wrong thing.
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Posted 2013-03-28 5:06 AM (#366734 - in reply to #366699)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-03-28 6:07 AM (#366736 - in reply to #366734)
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They even had an SM model that was supposed to be just "the ultimate" in Citroens. And they would shower
all comers with amazing factoids like the cars would go down the road on 3 wheels (in case one happened to
fall off ?) and they had built-in jacks at each wheel or some such thing. They still looked like a turd with a
puckered axxhole out back. I was unimpressed.

It would figure they had a passel of Corvairs too.
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Posted 2013-03-28 8:31 AM (#366744 - in reply to #81647)
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vedette
Posted 2013-03-28 8:33 AM (#366746 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Scotland		Promenade des Anglais Nice,South of France with lots of the Docs new favourite cars.The Citroen DS is an amazing car to drive and the most comfortable car I've ever driven.



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vedette
Posted 2013-03-28 8:37 AM (#366747 - in reply to #81647)
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hemidave
Posted 2013-03-28 8:45 AM (#366748 - in reply to #81647)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-03-28 8:52 AM (#366749 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		The Promenade des Anglais pic has a good assortment of stuff in it...

More of the unspeakable Renault 4CV (750) what looks like a Simca from immediate post-war
years with the spare on the back (or is it a 202?), a whole bunch of lovely Peugeot 404s to delight
my eyes, a Floride or Caravelle tucked in under a tree, and behind the big Simca (Vedette?) there's
the ever-beautiful Dyane (sp?) 6. More Arondes, a Light 15, the inevitable Dauphines and is that a
Topolino near the Plymouth?
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vedette
Posted 2013-03-28 9:07 AM (#366750 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Scotland		Citroen Ami behind the Vedette.Here's more for Doctor Panhard,from Paris this time.



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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-03-28 9:15 AM (#366752 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Of course, an Ami 6, what was I thinking?

And now a 403 to take pride of place, an indescribably French scene...
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Posted 2013-03-28 9:48 AM (#366755 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Scotland		'56 Chrysler takes pride of place you mean.Although the Peugeot lion looks meaner than the Chrysler one.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-03-28 11:23 AM (#366764 - in reply to #366752)
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I'd feel abut as comfortable driving a Citroen as I would discovering while on the bus to work
that I had left the hose without trousers in the morning. There is more angles to "comfort" than
the physical state of how the seat feels.
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Posted 2013-03-28 12:15 PM (#366773 - in reply to #366764)
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Posted 2013-03-28 3:24 PM (#366798 - in reply to #366588)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-03-27 9:04 AM

It is no wonder Europeans like 50's American cars. Their "domestic" offerings were hideously ugly !


I like the finned Daimler England SP 250 ("Dart") - and yep, it's got a HEMI...

...the rear lights make it look like it's my DeSoto's "Mini Me".

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Posted 2013-03-28 9:31 PM (#366839 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-28 9:33 PM (#366840 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-28 9:35 PM (#366842 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-29 2:28 AM (#366855 - in reply to #366839)
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all-new 1957s,Paris style with a '55 in the background.


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Who made that Versailles car ? Looks like a lightly modified Willys Aero.
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Posted 2013-03-29 2:47 AM (#366859 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-29 3:11 AM (#366860 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Most had the little V8 based on the V8-60 design...

But pity the paupers who bought the one with the Aronde's engine! 1290cc, its design descended from the Fiat 1100.

However, with the fins and all, definitely they were Forward Looks.
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Posted 2013-03-29 3:34 AM (#366863 - in reply to #366842)
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Seville


Nice pic from Spain with a LeBaron 60
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Posted 2013-03-29 5:11 AM (#366867 - in reply to #366842)
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What's the little car above and to the left of the Citroen ? Looks like it has a stolen 1950 Ford
bullet nose on it.
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Posted 2013-03-29 5:15 AM (#366868 - in reply to #366842)
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Posted 2013-03-29 7:45 AM (#366875 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Peter Falk did indeed...

And they scrapped it. So when the series continued they had trouble finding a fresh one!

I have no idea what that little car to the left of the DS is, but I'd also like to know!
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Posted 2013-03-29 8:51 AM (#366882 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-03-29 9:00 AM (#366887 - in reply to #366875)
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Ray Bell - 2013-03-29 7:45 AM

Peter Falk did indeed...

And they scrapped it. So when the series continued they had trouble finding a fresh one!

I have no idea what that little car to the left of the DS is, but I'd also like to know!


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Posted 2013-03-29 9:23 AM (#366890 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Hmmm...

I was asked today, because I'd referred one of my Peugeot friends to this page, how 'Panhard' is pronounced.

Muddy waters!
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Posted 2013-03-29 9:38 AM (#366892 - in reply to #366887)
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Location: Grenoble - France		About the 203 mentioned above: it's a standard 203, with a G.H. grill (G.H. stands for Georges Héricourt, a maker of aftermarket special grills back in the day). The car doesn't seem to be the special 203, whose name is Darl'Mat. Darl'Mat was (still is) a Peugeot dealership in Paris, and the owner made some special "custom" cars, such as the 203 Darl'Mat or 302 Darl'Mat (1937).

I personally like the US cars out of their US context, parked next to Dauphines or 2CV. My Imperial was sold new to France, end of 1957, at the hallucinating cost of 5,400,000 french francs, the equivalent of around 13,000 US dollars of 1957. It means, 30% more expensive than the extremely costly 1957 Continental Mark II. It shows how wealthy you would have needed to be to afford a piece of Detroit's production. But with such a car, driving in comfort from Paris to the Côte d'Azur on the Nationale 7 (our "route 66" here) was simply doable. I can't imagine what it could have been in those years, with Detroit's V8 irons competing on the road with flying-saucer-shaped Citroën DS and its magic flying-carpet-like suspension... (nostalgic of those days when cars had strong personalities).
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Posted 2013-03-29 12:46 PM (#366935 - in reply to #81647)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia		Quieten down, Doc! This is adding great stuff to this thread, putting stuff into perspective!

Frederic, I am the world's greatest admirer of the Darl'Mat 402... is or was there ever a better looking car?

Without such styles, Exner's designs of the fifties would have no background for comparisons...

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