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d500neil

Posted 2007-05-22 8:40 PM (#83940 - in reply to #83494)
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Hey, Rob; at your earliest convenience, you could have a good auto-mechanical shop lower the torsion bar's ride height, a tad.

The car looks to be sitting very nicely, on its rear leaf springs.

Hi, Ian; the 58 CRL's should have had a 4-bbl carb, with the new-4-58 350c.i. wedge-engine (along with dual exhausts).

In Re: Spring Specials, the introductory literature specify that S.-S.'s were being built, OEM, that a car could be factory-ORDERED, with varying extents of the S.-S. trim-items, and/or , that any OF the S.-S. trim items could be DEALER installed!!

The specific S.-S. trim were the grille-emblem, PAINTED headlightbezels (two-three existing S.-S. cars are known to have this very-rare
item, on them; dunno why most S.-S.'s had regular headlight bezels, except, that the special-painted ones MUST have been expensive,
to produce)...., then there's the distinctive WIDE side-trim, the end-of-fin 'triangle', and, then, there is the rear license plate "Escutcheon".

In addition to the distinctive chrome/potmetal pieces, there were three unique S.-S. body colors: Poppy Red (R") , Frosted Turquoise ("J")
and Paris Rose ("T").

SO, a (factory) Spring Special could have ANY combination of the above color(s) and trim, depending upon how the fatory jobber
felt about a particular car, or depending upon how a special-ordering customer wanted his car to appear.

SO (ii) all Spring Special COLORED cars are 'real' S.S.'s , but, for any car NOT painted in the three official colors, they can STILL
be legitimate "factory" S.-S. cars, if they were special-ordered in a common-color, but having some/all of the S.-S. trim!

Then: there are the DEALER-installed S.-S. trim cars (WHAT are they, officially? I dunno)

Then: there are the cars where an owner bought some/all of the trim, & stuck it on HIS car, hisself!

Ah, ya gota LOVE the Spring-Special cars! (that, & go FIND the car's Broadcast Sheet, or, go BUY a copy of its factory IBM Build card!)

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Posted 2007-05-22 8:51 PM (#83941 - in reply to #83494)
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A sad end to a classic.......About five years ago, I realized I knew the landowner. He said he had forgotten the wreck was there, and to go ahead and take whatever I wanted. I clipped down a bunch of saplings, put the transmission in a wheelbarrow, and pushed it out to a road at the bottom about 150 yards from the car. It still had a piece of rotten rope tied to it from where a friend and I tried to drag it up the slope 20 years ago without any luck!.....The bumper chrome on it is in better condition than my car! Unfortunately, they dinged it up good pushing it with another vehicle. - Rob

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d500neil

Posted 2007-05-22 8:59 PM (#83942 - in reply to #83494)
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Hey, Rob! that bumper's worth some BUX!!!!

That fin-trim would be hard to reach (why it's still THERE!, huh) unless you can get inside the trunk, but, that fin-plate is anodized
aluminum! , and, the end-of-fin can be sucessfully re-chromed (no fine-detail to lose).

You might also check to see if this is a CRL; if so, it will have a VALUABLE front end SWAY BAR---be sure to try to cut-out
the frame's sway-bar brackets, if at all possible; if not, well, that's OK....

Red Ram

Posted 2007-05-22 9:17 PM (#83945 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks for the advice Neil!........The rear end has sat a little low since we put a dual exhaust on it 5 years ago. The guy who's going over it for us at the moment has suggested some coil-over shocks. Another person, air shocks. I've contacted a spring outfit in the city, and they say they could re-arc and refurbish the leaf springs. I'm not sure what we can do before leaving for Tulsa in less than 3 weeks now................I intend to go out to the wrecked car this summer with a nut splitter and take the bumper. I will look at the other parts you've mentioned. I'm pretty sure we took the name plates off, and they were Custom Royal. - Rob

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Posted 2007-05-22 9:37 PM (#83949 - in reply to #83494)
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Rob, if you are driving that CRL to Tulsa, you should get its T/bars lowered (for better handling, but, you will need to have the front end be realigned, too.

The rear springs look to be OK; I've written to say that guys should, just-simply, score a set of (late 50's-mid 60's) stationwagon springs, and RE-use
your car's long-leafs, while "stacking" a mixture of the S/W leafs, along with your car's leafs, to obtain a custom fit/ride.

I did that, with a set of 1962 CHRY S/W leaf springs; got 5-full leafs on my car (yours has 4 1/2 leafs, OEM) now, and it sits "up"
and rides nicely.

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Posted 2007-05-23 1:41 AM (#83972 - in reply to #83494)
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Has anyone got a picture showing the Spring Special ?

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Posted 2007-05-23 1:37 PM (#84006 - in reply to #83494)
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Here's the first time the CR hit the road again after the rebuild, the 1988 wedding of some friends from school, back in Brandon, MB. I've just found out that the groomsman second from right here has since died in a SCUBA accident in Clear Lake; coincidentally where the old camping pix above were taken.

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Posted 2007-05-23 1:44 PM (#84008 - in reply to #83494)
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Another in 2003. The mayor's daughter.

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Posted 2007-05-23 1:59 PM (#84012 - in reply to #83494)
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The groom is a Mopar fan, his Monaco is at right. About an hour before the wedding, we got hit with a blinding downpour and I watched in horror as it turned to hail! Not a mark on the car, though.

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Posted 2007-05-25 2:06 PM (#84195 - in reply to #83602)
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Wow, Rob! Those photos (past and present) are wonderful. The Dodge looks like it hasn't aged a day! It's just too bad that the people can't survive the ravages of time in the same way (ha, ha - I don't know whether that would be a blessing or a curse). Thanks for sharing those.

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Posted 2007-05-25 3:10 PM (#84202 - in reply to #83494)
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Thank you Mike........Would you believe I spoke on the phone yesterday with the salesman they bought the Custom Royal from? It took all of 2 phone calls! He is 87, and in the same city as 50 years ago! He sold nothing but Chrysler until he was 75, including a couple of years in the town where I live now. Pretty amazing!

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Posted 2007-05-25 3:16 PM (#84203 - in reply to #83793)
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5859 - 2007-05-21 8:04 PM

That's a pretty hard blow to have had that car burned up like that, and like you said, it just had to be the driver, and not the parts car.

Yeah, a real bad day, and the problems went on and on. We lost 2 engines and a transmission out of a locked shed there, as well.

d500neil

Posted 2007-05-25 3:39 PM (#84206 - in reply to #83494)
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Hmmp, 'you' just don't go-out, and pick up a couple engines, and cast-iron transmission!!

Somebody put a "hit" out, on your stash!

I wonder what their intended purpose was, in stealing them?

Any knowledgeable rodder (robber) would know that the things would require rebuilding, to be made serviceable, and, where
do they STORE them, after they've got them, and how do they keep the news, of their new acquisions, secret??

One would think that, anyone adept in engine rebuilding would not be the sort of person who would go out & steal his own
"inventory", and, that that person would look askance at someone else, just showing-up with an "engine-and-a-story", and
not wonder about how the guy reallly got that engine/trans.

What kind/size of motors were they? And, who knew about their presence, in that shed (and, who also, apparently knew
that no one would bother/observe them, as they hoisted the pieces, into their nearby truck???)

Red Ram

Posted 2007-05-25 3:40 PM (#84207 - in reply to #83494)
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In case anyone noticed, I think I've solved the mystery of the disappearing radio antenna. Although my Mom doesn't recall the car not having a radio, I'm pretty sure they bought it without and installed one later. So, the photos without an antenna are the earliest of the car, and predate the 1958 camping trip where the antenna is in place just in front of the driver's rear view mirror. When they changed the fenders, the new ones had the antenna hole on the passenger side, where it is now........The salesman remembers the dealership often installing antennas on the driver's side, and thinks he sold it without a radio. Also, that he sold more Tri-Tone cars than this one in '57. - Rob

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Posted 2007-05-25 3:53 PM (#84210 - in reply to #84206)
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d500neil - 2007-05-25 3:39 PM

What kind/size of motors were they? And, who knew about their presence, in that shed (and, who also, apparently knew
that no one would bother/observe them, as they hoisted the pieces, into their nearby truck???)

The 383 from the 59 parts car, and another 325 Poly & trans for the 57. ......Thief had all the time in the world. *Cough*tenant*Cough*......Instead of prying the hasp off the front door, they dismantled the back wall, took the stuff, and nailed the boards back on with new, galvanized nails! I believe in an attempt to make it look done by someone with a key to the shed.

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Posted 2007-05-25 4:02 PM (#84211 - in reply to #83494)
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Here's one of my aunt's snapshots from that 1958 campout.

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Posted 2007-05-25 4:28 PM (#84213 - in reply to #83602)
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The vintage photos are very cool! Looks like you had someone in the family that knew a little about photography and was able to get close to the subject. I'll bet that the slides were Kodachrome, which had very stable color dyes. If they were any other brand, including Kodak Ektachrome, those images would be all but gone.

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Posted 2007-05-25 9:17 PM (#84240 - in reply to #83494)
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Good call ronbo. They're Kodachrome, and were stored in magazines for an automatic slide projector.

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Posted 2007-05-25 9:21 PM (#84241 - in reply to #83494)
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And, to further prove I don't get rid of much,.....here's the camera that took the photos. You can see Mom holding the case for it in the photo with the little girl. I think they got it from my uncle with the Cadillac after he upgraded it!

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Posted 2007-05-30 7:46 PM (#84666 - in reply to #83494)
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Bummer, to hear about Eckta-plasm film; Ron! I took predominently Eckta-photos, in the 60's.

That's a major-Kool camara; kinda like a Leica, on Steroids!!!!

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Posted 2007-05-31 2:49 PM (#84759 - in reply to #83494)
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Their 40th anniversary. Hard to believe this was 17 years ago.

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Posted 2007-05-31 5:52 PM (#84771 - in reply to #83494)
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Rob, SMS makes/sells upholstery cloth for your car; it looks to have gray-colored "Linear Lucidity" 1957 Royal upholstery.

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Posted 2007-05-31 6:17 PM (#84773 - in reply to #83494)
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Thank you Neil, I will certainly look into it. Dad recovered the front seat, but not the back one. It's had the same Leopard (or Cheetah?) skin blanket on it since I was a child!

d500neil

Posted 2007-05-31 7:09 PM (#84776 - in reply to #83494)
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SMS sells the correct colored/patterned vinyl, correct black seat-beading, upholstery cloth, and should be able to reproduce
the heat-embossed center-sections, too.

You can take your car to your area's best upholstery shop, & they can tell you if they can re-use the embossed center sections, or not.

Here's a MAJOR clue:

SMS's vinyl is NOT as thick/reinforced/durable as the OEM vinyl (check out the OEM "Pellon"-reinforced vinyl, versus the un-lined
materail, from SMS.

Because the MOST wear, to the vinyl bolsters occurs at the LOWER/OUTER areas (because of seat compression, every time someone sits in the car)
and, also, on the outer-horizontal sections, THOSE area-sections should have RESIDUAL OEM vinyl be installed (typically, from perfect-condition
vinyl, found on the lower seat backs).

The upper seat-backs get the most wear, to the upholstery, where it adjoins to the vinyl, so, SMS vinyl can be used on the upper seat backs.

In my 27 year custodianship, I have had to replace the outer/lower seat vinyl twice, due to compression-failure/cracking, from
getting into the driver's seat.

I also have had my upholstery shop install clear plastic vinyl seat-covers, over the redone upholstery. I recommend that
procedure, for anyone who uses his car regularly. Think of it as being a condom, for your car: you DO get used to it (eventually),
but ALWAYS appreciate the protection it affords, from you, and from any other careless person who "falls" into it!!!

Red Ram

Posted 2007-06-02 5:32 PM (#84903 - in reply to #83494)
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Went out to the wrecked 57 yesterday for the first time in 5 years or so. Had fun finding and getting to it! Been enough Black Bear incidents here lately to get you thinking, too.....The front end has sunk further toward the stream, which is right beside it. A friend has offered to help take some more off it when the leaves drop. He says we should just take a torch and cut the bumper, etc., off...If anyone wants some more sad photos, PM or email me, and I'll send you a 7.6 Mb zip file with about two dozen pix. - Rob

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Posted 2007-06-05 8:46 PM (#85191 - in reply to #83494)
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Hey, believe it or not: those gas tank straps are valuable, as are the spring assemblies.

You could torch off the license plate trim; looks like the lock is gone.

Heck, even the gas tank is nicer than the one that Johnny Rosen has been trying to sell on Epay!

Red Ram

Posted 2007-06-09 10:47 AM (#85538 - in reply to #83494)
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A few more of the old slides..................A fishing trip with the last camper Dad made.

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Posted 2007-06-09 10:50 AM (#85539 - in reply to #83494)
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North end P la P.

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Posted 2007-06-09 10:51 AM (#85540 - in reply to #83494)
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Cheers!........See you in Tulsa. - Rob

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Posted 2007-06-11 12:30 AM (#85702 - in reply to #85540)
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For me personally, this post has been one of the best trips down memory lane that I have seen on this board in a long time..Thankyou Rob..

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Posted 2008-01-25 4:33 PM (#112274 - in reply to #83494)
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Hi All - Been a long time!......I have a new computer and it`s taken me this long to find this thread again. I thought I`d add some more of the old slides.......Here`s the 55 Regent again, along with the big catch of the day. :P - Rob

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Posted 2008-01-25 4:41 PM (#112275 - in reply to #83494)
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A picnic, but notice the tackle box.....Always ready to fish!

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Posted 2008-01-25 4:54 PM (#112276 - in reply to #83494)
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"Mr. Rich B!tch"

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Posted 2008-01-25 4:56 PM (#112277 - in reply to #83494)
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This is supercool photos! Really enjoyable Thanks for posting them

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Posted 2008-01-26 4:33 PM (#112408 - in reply to #83494)
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I 'm digging it daddy-o !!! Looks like it just blasted its way rt. out of 57!!!!Very Nice Car!!

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Posted 2008-01-26 5:06 PM (#112411 - in reply to #112408)
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What a great tribute to your Dad and family! Having the car is just the icing on the cake. Great photo album!!

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Posted 2008-01-27 7:44 PM (#112520 - in reply to #83494)
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thank you for preserving such a beautiful fl car! 51 years! think of all that happens in that time! and you had

your own 1959... wow and one kids threw off a embankment in the 60's - its still there!!!! you even have your

dads 1963 dodge panel truck! "town panel" it said. strictly a dodge family at heart!!! a electrician by trade..

did you follow in his footsteps.....?

thanks for rekindling memories to us all!!! restore the truck , too - it doesnt look too bad..., paint is a little

dull...

thanks! you took us all back in time..

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Posted 2008-01-28 3:41 PM (#112576 - in reply to #83585)
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The Caddy is a 1960, Model 62 Convertible in Cad-speak...I love that car in the light metallic purple they had that year with white interior..yowza!!

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Posted 2008-01-30 3:52 PM (#112868 - in reply to #83494)
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Got to admit that the 60 Schabbillacs was kind of OK even if it hurts a little.

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Posted 2008-01-30 8:44 PM (#112932 - in reply to #83494)
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So, Rob, you said, somewhere, that you're thinking about selling the car?

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Posted 2008-02-24 1:18 PM (#116597 - in reply to #112932)
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d500neil - 2008-01-30 8:44 PM

So, Rob, you said, somewhere, that you're thinking about selling the car?

Why yes, I am........(Not!) :P

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Posted 2008-02-24 1:38 PM (#116602 - in reply to #83494)
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Mom with a neighbour in Selkirk, MB. A single mother who asked her to be in the delivery room, then LOST HER MARBLES delivering and ripped Mom's blouse!

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Posted 2008-02-24 1:54 PM (#116606 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks to all who've enjoyed these and responded...............This is Uncle Steve, who was a gun & antique collector/dealer extraordinaire.

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Posted 2008-02-24 1:59 PM (#116607 - in reply to #83494)
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1958 again.

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Posted 2008-02-24 2:03 PM (#116608 - in reply to #116606)
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Outside of some rather unflattering bathing suit designs, those folks of old sure did know how to dress ! Mom, with the big, furry black hat looks like she dressed to match the car ! Good stuff, Amigo. Thanks for posting.

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Posted 2008-02-24 5:58 PM (#116645 - in reply to #83494)
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Funny you should mention that! Here are pix from Nov. 07 I was planning on posting next. The "original owner".........

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Posted 2008-02-24 6:07 PM (#116650 - in reply to #83494)
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........along with the salesman that sold her the car in '57! He lives in the same town, where he sold Chryslers until he was 75. Great guy and a WW2 RCAF veteran.

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Posted 2008-02-25 1:45 PM (#116747 - in reply to #83494)
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Wow, great pics! Especially nice to see the new ones and compare to the old ones. Thats real history and makes one understand how the car has been part of the everyday life of the family. Would be great once when I'm old, to post some pics on the forum and show everyone how it was when I was young, succesfull with ladies, hansom, intelligent... Sorry I'm dreaming again, but really would be great to own something for such a long time. The Dodge looks absolutely great!

Cedric

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Posted 2008-03-08 4:09 PM (#118948 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks again!.......I've had another group of the old slides converted, and there's a few more Mopar pix among them.......I believe this is Dad's 48 Chrysler that preceded the 55 Regent. Possibly taken in Dryden, Ontario.