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Location: Connecticut | This is going to be an abomination. I just spoke with the owner of the company. They plan to derust the car, then spray it down with WD40. That's it. BTW, as soon as he found out that I wasn't interested in buying his product, he cut me off and referred me to the MissBelvedere website if I had any more questions. Somebody call 57Heaven pronto !!! |
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| Why does anyone think a car-savvy guy like Bob Schmidt at '57 Heaven would be interested in paying big dollars for this nearly destroyed car, even WITH it's interesting background? Face it, the car is a mess. "57 Heaven has some of the finest cars on the planet--how does that fit? The "curiosity factor" surrounding this car will fade quickly and will not be a big draw or money maker for a first class outfit like '57 Heaven. Maybe if the new owners derust it, it will melt into a sort of goo that could be bottled and sold to everyone who wants to own a piece of it! |
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Location: bishop, ca | 57 Heaven is HUGELY interested in the car (Exhibit-A: John Fowlie's advertisement, above here, where they SHOW the car
juxtapositioned against their OWN identical- originally 57 Belvie.)
I'll call Bob Schmidt, on behalf of this FWDLK thread, and if I'm not intruding upon the private-operations of 57 Heaven, maybe
he'll keep us apprised of the situation.
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Location: Georgia | After reading this, I think we ALL need this "Ultra One". It will heal all our cars! It's a miracle solution!!!
I wonder what would happen if you drank it? Maybe it would heal you too! Hear, Hear! I vote we can the 'shine at the reunion and drink "Ultra One" instead!! 
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, nobody likes to be bugged, and Bob may have been having a hectic day, but, essentially, he said that 57 Heaven had made
its contacts with the Tulsarama people, & to date had not had any direct contacts with the family.
I told him about the Tulsaworld article, of today, in the "And the Winner is" thread, which talks about there being "18" family members
who want to share joint-custody of the car, and he said that 57 Heaven may wait until the September 'releasing' of the car
before making serious entreaties to the family.
At least, nothing bad will happen to the car, until then! Bob said that 57 Heaven is presently working on a "zillion things" which
is occupying their immediate attention, right now.
They want, and can definitely afford to buy the car, but right now, they are not in active direct negotiations with the family.
Stay tuned.
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Location: bishop, ca | I mis-read my newspaper-reference, above.
If you click on one of the newspaper-references, you'll get today's date (July 24, 2007).
The story's dateline, however, was June 24, 2007 , which talks about the family's 18 in-laws and out-laws.
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Location: bishop, ca | I wonder what the active ingredients ARE, in "Ultra-One" ? |
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Location: Williams California | d500neil - 2007-07-24 12:25 PM
I wonder what the active ingredients ARE, in "Ultra-One" ?
I don't know, Neil, but their site does state that it is a non-acid formula. It certainly does appear to work, as long as the photos are not re-touched or doctored in some way. ---John |
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Location: bishop, ca | If it's non-acidic, it most be a strong caustic-alkaline solution. |
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Location: Bama | carjock - 2007-07-24 1:18 PM Why does anyone think a car-savvy guy like Bob Schmidt at '57 Heaven would be interested in paying big dollars for this nearly destroyed car, even WITH it's interesting background? Face it, the car is a mess. "57 Heaven has some of the finest cars on the planet--how does that fit? The "curiosity factor" surrounding this car will fade quickly and will not be a big draw or money maker for a first class outfit like '57 Heaven. Maybe if the new owners derust it, it will melt into a sort of goo that could be bottled and sold to everyone who wants to own a piece of it!
I disagree with you totally. If you would have attended Tulsa, you wouldn't have wasted the time to type that  Me, being a junk car lover/finder, I was blown away by the amount of people in Tulsa totally ignoring all the "nice" cars at the indoor car show..spending tons of time staring at the Rusty Hulk. I agree the car is a piece of s**t, I am uncertain of the derusting process. I say brace it off and go for it. What the hell? |
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Location: bishop, ca | As Larry says, the car, in its present state, is a fascinating, compelling artifact--truly like looking at a piece of the Titanic,
or something---there's a LOT, to look at, all OVER the car!!!
Look at how BEAUTIFUL the deterioration is, as seen in Cleeve Rive's ( I mean : Clive Reeve's) pics, of its interior (and
of its exterior).
It's a "natural" work-of-ART, now.
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| I'm with Larry, let them go ahead and derust it with their miracle formula. The way I see it, Ultra One can hardly do worse than Tulsans did to this car. If it does melt into a pile of goo, I'll be the first one in line to buy a bottle or locket with Miss Belvedere goo inside. I'll put next to the one I bought which contains Titanic coal. So for me, it will be a happy ending no matter what happens. 
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Location: bishop, ca | I didn't even notice a 56 Dodge pseudo-race car, inside the Convention Center, because I had spent so much time looking at
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Location: Connecticut | I think it's amusing that they keep talking about 'turning over the keys...'. There are no keys. And no title.
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | If the product does not replace rust with metal- even if it does remove rust only, there wouldn't be enough metal left to keep its shape--in my opinion. They DO have a money back satisfaction guarantee, so there should be no problem( sarcasm) ..................................MO |
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ | Maybe they should just put it in a large block of resin, kinda of an oversized paperweight! Personally, I doubt much can be done with it and it should stay as it is for history's sake. I'd hate to see it just start desinergrating (sp?). Isn't all this exposure to oxygen now going to accelerate the rust issue? |
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Location: Williams California | d500neil - 2007-07-24 2:48 PM
If it's non-acidic, it most be a strong caustic-alkaline solution.
Hopefully it isn't a caustic solution, as all the aluminum and potmetal will dissolve rather quickly. ---John |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, John: which is mo-bettah: acidic, or caustic ????
'Course, there's always wire-BRUSHING, or sand/media-BLASTING......or dipping....
YEAH, baby! DIP that sucker (again)......
Actually, aren't keys normally temporarily stored beneath the floor mats?
Which is sillier: the description of Christine, in the book (4-doors, door lock-posts, dome light, trans gear-lever[???] ) or the thought
of trying to "restore" this car????
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Location: Blythewood, SC | Questions about this chemical process? What's next? Check this out. Be careful, you may throw up a little...
http://www.missbelvedere.com/ |
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Location: bishop, ca | THANX, for the warning, Brian!
Just sent THAT page, to Bob Schmidt.
Hope thar 57 Heaven gets properly-pissed about "Ultra-One" usurping their images and corporate 'identity'.....
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Location: bishop, ca | I note that there is NO PAINT showing on the de-rusted rear axle assembly; who cares, I suppose [LOL] about any
residual OEM paint/finishing remaining on the car, under the cosmoline?
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Location: Mishawaka, IN. | I was going to mention that, yes the monkeys did find a key, we even got pics one late night. Didn't we Brian,Mark, Colin, and I took a walk to see what we could see and man was that fun and there were other accomplises to. There is some of a key still in the ignition. I seeded it wit me own eyes. LOL
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Location: bishop, ca | Jimmy, how did the subject of re-inspecting Ms. Belvie come-up, and were there any difficulties in walking right up to the car
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Location: Blythewood, SC | We were all drunk (no big suprise there) and thought it would be cool. The guard took the pictures for us and let us move the ropes. No issues there. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Alright; I thought that there was/were some instance(s) where the guard let someone walk right up to the car & fire-away.
May have been Cleeve. |
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Location: Williams California | They let the Christine car club do the same, Neil. There was no harm done by any of these folks. ---John |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | 57plymouth - 2007-07-26 4:26 PM
We were all drunk (no big suprise there) and thought it would be cool. The guard took the pictures for us and let us move the ropes. No issues there. HMMMM--seems that I heard a conversation in the Lobby bar -from the perpertrator who was sitting beside me---but I won't tell!............MO |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | I plead the second ammendment to that one. |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | Second Amendment? That's the right to bear arms (or is it arm bears?)
Don't you mean plead the Fifth Amendment?
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Location: Blythewood, SC | Nope, I meant the second. I had that right.
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Location: morehead, kentucky | you know after watching there slide show, the stuff seems pretty interesting. I do not agree with using it on the Tulsa Belevedere, but if ti works like it shows it does that would be some pretty cool stuf to have to derust bolt and brakets and other things that are hard to find. I belive I am going to order a gallon in the near future just to see what the s**t will do. |
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Location: Etters Pa | No idea if their rust remover works as well as they show? but I just ordered a gallon with hopes it does.. Any product that gives hope of less time spent media/sand blasting is worth a shot! |
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Location: morehead, kentucky | let us know how it works, how much did cost to ship a gallon if you don't mind me asking. |
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Location: Etters Pa | shipping was $6.95 UPS, which I didn't think was bad at all but I'm only 135 miles from them... If you want , you can go into the check out part of their site
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| As you can see by the prior posts, Ultra-One's publicity is yielding results without them even touching Miss Belvedere. Thank God for publicity stunts.
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | mean58fury - 2007-07-27 10:15 PM
As you can see by the prior posts, Ultra-One's publicity is yielding results without them even touching Miss Belvedere. Thank God for publicity stunts.
Doug HMMMMM--very interesting --how this all plays out..Wouldn't it be something to know how much money has been or will be generated from Miss B. Tulsarama may have been just a start...............................MO |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | Moparman74114 - 2007-07-27 10:58 PM
i'm against the arming of bears. You want to see armless bears?? Go get him PETA!....................MO |
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Location: Lemoore CA | I have a feeling you guys will be surprised at how well this process is going to work, now as for the thinness of the metal, that will be a major problem to solve. There is almost no way to build it back up, in fact the only thing I can think of is that "electrolosis welding"? I'm not sure that's what it is called, but it is the process where a panel is basically energised to attract weldment that is sprayed on to it. They use the process to fix holes in sheetmetal that looks like swiss cheese, up to one inch in diameter, instead of cutting and patching. In theory the panels could probably be built up, but can you immagine the reshaping, and smoothing involved? Once again, at what point does a car stop being the same car that came off the assembly line? Not worth the effort in my eyes. I also have to agree with carjock on the point that in a few years, it is likely that this car will only be important to the people who were at Tulsa and Forward look enthusiasts. I don't think your average car show attending 57 Ch**y driving man on the street will give a ...... well you get the picture. |
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Location: central oklahoma! | i dunno, but when i saw the website the miss belvedere link provided, i got pretty pissed.
first, you see miss belvedere on the top right photo. next, you see the photo of the beautiful 57 in mint condition that was displayed at the car show underneath, GIVING THE IMPRESSION that the product produced these wonderful results, when we all know darn GOOD AND WELL that it did not.
it might in fact be a good product, but i think this is REALLY underhanded advertising. |
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Location: central oklahoma! | i hate the word changer. when i want to say D*A*M*N, it shouldn't be so much trouble. however, dave is a great fearless leader, so i will shut up now. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Dave, the conventional observation is that anyone/everyone(??) who saw the car in person was very impressed with its
unique, wonderful, appearance and wants it to be preserved, as-is.
Most of the people, who would not mind, or, who WANT the car to be stripped-down (including the Sister's family/nephew---
but, that's an immediate-MONEY thing, with him/them) have never seen the car, in person.
Draw you own conclusion(s) , folks.......
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Location: Williams California | d500neil - 2007-08-01 5:44 PM
Dave, the conventional observation is that anyone/everyone(??) who saw the car in person was very impressed with its
unique, wonderful, appearance and wants it to be preserved, as-is.
Most of the people, who would not mind, or, who WANT the car to be stripped-down (including the Sister's family/nephew---
but, that's an immediate-MONEY thing, with him/them) have never seen the car, in person.
Draw you own conclusion(s) , folks.......
Neil, what you just typed says it all. ---John
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Location: Mishawaka, IN. | I will second that motion John, Neil is right, and we did get to go all around the car where few have gone Brian can back me up on that HEHEHE!!!! But we the folks that made the pilgrimage are the main draw for who ever gets Ms. B. to make money as a specticle or as another type of display. So who exactly cut a bears arm off???????
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Location: central oklahoma! | i agree with neil completely. i'm just saying that the ad is very deceptive, and might lead one to believe that the BOTTOM PHOTO IS MISS BELVERE'S AFTER SHOT! we all know that it certainly is not, but WE WERE THERE. it's the unfortunate folks who weren't that i'm fretting about.
it's no different that toothpaste commercials selling the message, "use this and you'll get laid!" except that i think it may be worse; the toothpaste commercial leads you to what you hope will happen, but the belvy ad makes you think it already HAS happened. |
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