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There's a company called Koch's that restores steering wheels for a REASONABLE price.
The problem is, they currently don't have a mold for the '60/'61 New Yorker wheel.
I'm told however, that we can help fix that (and get a great price on reproductions.)
Molds cost approximately $3500 to create... and they must be created using a steering wheel that is in "perfect condition."
If you've checked around, restored '60/'61 New Yorker steering wheels run about $1,000+, depending on where you have it done. At those prices, the restoration company makes TONS of money after the first 3 wheels are produced. Here's a way that we can possibly work together to bring the price down by several hundred dollars.
Here's how it works:
If someone in our network is lucky enough to have a perfect '60/'61 New Yorker wheel, that person could allow the company to use the wheel to create a mold. The wheel would then be returned to the generous individual who loaned it.
Then, a group of us band together to place orders with this company... securing the company's investment in creating the new mold.
Finally, we're given a reasonable price on a wheel that we need... which would be made from a mold we helped to create.
What can be better than saving $$$ and helping others in the hobby do the same? Not to mention that this company would gain future business and continued respect from the ForwardLook community. Everybody wins!
So, how about it guys??? Who's got that perfect '60 or '61 New Yorker wheel that's just laying around? Can we borrow it for a while?
For more information on how this process could work, feel free to do what I did...
Call Koch's at 661-268-1341.
-NM
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Strange you should mention them, I had called them to get a price to refurbish the wheel on my 64, as you may have seen, from my earlier post, the wheel has a crack in it, other wise it is in good shape and since 1964 was the golden anniversary for Dodge, It says "Golden Anniversay 1914 -1964", in the steering wheels hub---the wheel is in great shape, cept for that one crack.
Anyway, I called them, They seem like great folks, and they quoted me between $200-$300 to refurbish my wheel----and best of all, not that far a drive for me.
Anyway, great idea you have---I hope we turn up a 60 Chrysler Wheel, is the 60 wheel, different from the 61?
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Strange you should mention them, I had called them to get a price to refurbish the wheel on my 64, as you may have seen, from my earlier post, the wheel has a crack in it, other wise it is in good shape and since 1964 was the golden anniversary for Dodge, It says "Golden Anniversay 1914 -1964", in the steering wheels hub---the wheel is in great shape, cept for that one crack.
Anyway, I called them, They seem like great folks, and they quoted me between $200-$300 to refurbish my wheel----and best of all, not that far a drive for me.
Anyway, great idea you have---I hope we turn up a 60 Chrysler Wheel, is the 60 wheel, different from the 61?
Thanks, Gary
Gary,
If I'm not mistaken, the '60 & '61 wheels ARE the same. That could broaden our horizons greatly.
Aren't you friends with Aivar? He's got some truly beautiful cars...
Perhaps he could help us find a pristine wheel for the mold??? Just a thought.
Anyone else got one of these wheels? Speak up, please!
A steering wheel resto for $300-$400 sure sounds good to me.
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | Yes Aivar and I are great friends, He actually looked at the 59 Vert before I got it, He found a few things wrong with it but did not discourage me from buying it, acutally when I saw the thing, I was all "Eyes", so the ears were only working so so------Alto I must say, that is the best 35 Grand, I ever spent.
Anway I will tell Aivar about the Steering wheel company, He just picked up a 61 Chrysler New Yorker Conv, and He may have a steering wheel or 2, If you watched the episode of "My Classic Car", that featured Aivar's car, You may have heard him say, "I'm A Succer For Steering Wheels"
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This could make the search easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any '60 or '61 Chrysler wheel may work for this process.
If memory serves me correctly, the only difference between a New Yorker wheel and that of a Windsor or Saratoga would be the clear sections.
Reuben at Koch's tells me that IF that's correct... any perfect '60 or '61 wheel can be used to make the mold.
If that's the case, the entire wheel for a New Yorker could be cast in the clear acrylic material... and paint could later be applied to the necessary areas. For other models (Windsor & Saratoga), the wheels can be cast in the non-clear acrylic and finished in a variety of colors.
Reuben also estimates that an order of approximately 10 wheels will offset the cost of making the mold... and our cost would likely remain somewhere in the $300-$400 range for each wheel restored. That's a much better deal for us!
Let's continue looking for a perfect wheel from a '60 or '61 Chrysler... With the help of Koch's, we can make this happen!
-NM
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Location: Fairfax, Minnesota | Nathan D. Manning - 2007-12-11 4:15 PM
"For other models (Windsor & Saratoga), the wheels can be cast in the non-clear acrylic and finished in a variety of colors. "
I think 1961 Canadian Windsors came with clear plastic steering wheels, a least mine did....
I hope your great plan works out. The clear plastic on my wheel is in so many parts that it/they rattle(s) some days. Thanks for the work you have done on this.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Many of the Canadian cars, both Windsors and Saratogas came with the clear wheels as Ray stated. It would be more unusual to find one Without a clear wheel than with, from my past experience seeing steering wheels on the Canadian cars. The west coast cars had the best survival rate on steering wheels because of the lack of temperature extremes - places like Vancouver and Victoria, where I am. However to find one now would be rare. My ex-1960 Dodge with the clear wheel / metallic flakes is still in absolutely perfect condition after 47 years, although the black section with the grips is worn smooth from use- it was originally a slightly rough surface. My 1962 Chrysle 300 has the clear wheel in very good shape, but in 1962 only the top section was clear. I think you could use the 1962 wheel for the same mold as 60-61, the only difference being the lack of clear on the bottom.
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My 1962 Chrysle 300 has the clear wheel in very good shape, but in 1962 only the top section was clear. I think you could use the 1962 wheel for the same mold as 60-61, the only difference being the lack of clear on the bottom.
Would you consider your '62 wheel a "perfect" wheel... suitable for making the mold?
If so, would you agree to loaning it out temporarily so this project could move forward?
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Location: Sweden | Hi!
Its a company that makes the 60-61 Chrysler steering wheel here in Sweden!
They need your old steering wheel to rechrome before they cast the new plastic on.
I recently bought one for my 60 New Yorker and it really looks amazing.
I will try to take a picture and post tomorrow!
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Hi!
Its a company that makes the 60-61 Chrysler steering wheel here in Sweden!
They need your old steering wheel to rechrome before they cast the new plastic on.
I recently bought one for my 60 New Yorker and it really looks amazing.
I will try to take a picture and post tomorrow!
Jorgen
There are PLENTY of companies here in the USA that can recast the wheels... That's not really the issue.
What we're looking for is a cost effective solution... something that won't cost $1,000+.
If we can set this particular company up with a wheel to use when forming a new mold, they can get it done for MUCH less money that the other guys.
$300-$400 each is somewhat "affordable" when it comes to these cars... but when you get up there around a thousand bucks, it's just not worth it to most of us.
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I paid $650 for it, But i guess with some shipping here and back it will be $100 more! |
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Nathan!
I paid $650 for it, But i guess with some shipping here and back it will be $100 more!
Yeah... That's about what I figured. Thanks for the information, though.
Granted, $650 is half the cost of some companies here... but add the shipping costs and it would still run about twice the price of what I'm hoping to achieve.
You're lucky to have such a resource available in Sweden. With a little help, this project will afford us basically the same opportunity stateside.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Nathan D. Manning - 2007-12-12 9:16 AM imopar380 - 2007-12-12 11:59 AM My 1962 Chrysle 300 has the clear wheel in very good shape, but in 1962 only the top section was clear. I think you could use the 1962 wheel for the same mold as 60-61, the only difference being the lack of clear on the bottom. Would you consider your '62 wheel a "perfect" wheel... suitable for making the mold? If so, would you agree to loaning it out temporarily so this project could move forward? Thanks, -NM Nathan , my wheel is great but not perfect - has a small crack in the colored section where one of the arms joins the rim ..but.... I think it could be used, but I'm not sure I would want to part with it for any length of time. WHere are these guys who need to make the mold, I'm way over on the west coast, and the car is always licenced ready to run. If I had a spare / temp. wheel perhaps..
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | The guys that do the wheel are in Southern California, out by "Magic Mountain"
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Does mine foot the bill? :D :D
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Location: Comox,British Columbia | Ian, I have a good driver grade wheel for my 60nyer you could use if necessary.in fact I think I have two or three wheels in the trunk of my car. erik |
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Location: bishop, ca | My question is: would the hand-grip sections be CAST-IN-COLOR, or merely be externally painted?
Also, does Reuben(?) have the necessary 'metallflake' material to put into the clear-section, and, does he know how much
of it to apply, and/or to keep the metallflake in a consistent mixture, so that it gets evenly applied?
Guess that them are more than 1 question; fortunately, I don't need a 60-62 steering wheel !
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My question is: would the hand-grip sections be CAST-IN-COLOR, or merely be externally painted?
Also, does Reuben(?) have the necessary 'metallflake' material to put into the clear-section, and, does he know how much of it to apply, and/or to keep the metallflake in a consistent mixture, so that it gets evenly applied?
Guess that them are more than 1 question; fortunately, I don't need a 60-62 steering wheel !
Hey, Neil...
As I mentioned earlier in this thread... The WHOLE WHEEL would be molded in the clear material.
The hand grips and center bar would then have to be painted.
Perhaps this idea isn't the perfect solution, but it sure would save money for those of us on a tighter budget.
Personally, I don't care if Reuben has the "secret MoPar recipe" for just enough metalflake or not.
I've seen some of the wheels they do at Koch's, and I'd be comfortable with that level of quality for the price.
I for one would LOVE to have a nice-looking, driver-quality CLEAR steering wheel for less than a thousand bucks.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | 1959Dodge - 2007-12-13 6:00 AM The guys that do the wheel are in Southern California, out by "Magic Mountain" I can call them, if you like and see how long they would need your wheel----cheaper for me to call, alto you could contact them via their web-site too. Nathan , go ahead and give them a call .......see how long... and also, who would be willing to pay for return shipping should I decide to do this ? Doing them all clear and then painting the colored sections brings up some issues, - paint tends to wear off with use, and the paint will not accurately replicate the "cast in" color of the original plastic.
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Location: Lemoore CA | I may be missing something here, and I will feel like a dolt if I am, but why not restore a wheel in question, and then use it to make a mold for reproductions? It seems to me it would save the headache of looking for a perfect example, maybe they could fix the small crack in Ians wheel for free in return for him loaning it as a mold piece? |
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Location: Warren, Michigan | I was thinking the same thing, but I would assume a repaired wheel is not 100% like original. It just looks good.
But as there are all sorts of other non-factory issues with the wheels they are producing I would agree, why not?
I like these wheels alot. I would consider using something like this on a hot rod with manual steering. That would broaden the market for these wheels and who really cares about it being factory original at that point. |
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I may be missing something here, and I will feel like a dolt if I am, but why not restore a wheel in question, and then use it to make a mold for reproductions? It seems to me it would save the headache of looking for a perfect example, maybe they could fix the small crack in Ians wheel for free in return for him loaning it as a mold piece?
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That would make things MUCH easier on many of us with these cars.
After speaking again with Ruben, I've just sent the following letter to Koch's:
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Per our conversation, here are some photos of the '60-'64 Chrysler steering wheels.
I know for a fact that 1960 (& perhaps 1961) New Yorker models used the clear upper and lower sections as pictured. Other models and years through '64 used a single-color wheel, like the one I'm willing to make available for a template.
Attached are three photos...
1) A correct 1960 New Yorker wheel (with the clear upper and lower sections)...
2) A typical one of those wheels after years of deterioration...
3) The single-color wheel that I would be loaning you to make the mold...
Keep in mind, a sizeable group of us may be interested in purchasing these wheels to help offset the cost of making the mold. Of course, our hope would be to get a special "introductory price" on these initial orders. Afterwards, we would certainly understand if your company chose to raise the prices a bit.
Please get back to me as soon as possible regarding the feasability of such a project. I know of several individuals who would be interested in placing an order if the price is right.
Sincerely,
Nathan Manning
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I'll let you all know how this turns out.
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I just spoke with Ruben again at Koch's Steering Wheel Restorations.
He's willing to do a reproduction '60-'64 Chrysler wheel based on the wheel I recently purchased.
(For more background information on this project, please check the following thread:
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19626&post... )
Keep in mind:
New Yorker model wheels would be cast in ALL CLEAR, with hand grips and center sections being PAINTED to match.
A minimum order of 10 wheels is needed to get this project off the ground... Our price would be $550.00 each plus shipping.
Please drop me a PM quickly if you're interested in this kind of wheel at the quoted price of $550.
Thanks,
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Location: Northen Virginia | Nathan
As a FL owner i appreciate a lot what u r doing for us, i really don’t want to be the first in say it but i think that the price is a bit high.
I would considered to purchase one for my Newport, but for $550 i think i can repair mine with the Eastwood kit and save a lot, since that particular model (and all others except New Yorker and 300F, G) steering wheel finish is plain paint.
Now if you have the clear unit that is a different ballpark. Someone repro those, but i cant remember who and for how much.
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| I just caught this thread about submitting a wheel for the 60-64 Chryslers. Be aware that the 1962 Chrysler steering wheels are not the same as the 1960-1961 wheels. The grove contour, in the spokes, for the horn ring is different between 61 and 62. The horn ring groves end in a point wheres the 62 are near constant width and ends in a more square end. Compare the two horn rings and you can see the difference. I restored and own a few 1962 300's and know the 1961 horn ring will not fit the 1962 whee and 1962 most likley not fit the 1961 wheel. Also believe the 1963 wheel is different again.l
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| Nathan - If a 1962 steering wheel is to be used for the mold - then let me know and I'll be in for one. I have need to cast a 1962 300H wheel (clear plastic top and gold metallic plastic bottom - the deluxe option wheel) I think the (delux ) wheel with clear plastic upper half is slightly thicker and different grips then the 1962 standard all charcoal, painted steering wheel. Problem is I no longer have one of the standard steering wheels in my collection to make a measurement comparison. The picture of the 63? black one you bought on eBay is very similar to the 1962 standard wheel.
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Nathan
As a FL owner i appreciate a lot what u r doing for us, i really don’t want to be the first in say it but i think that the price is a bit high.
I would considered to purchase one for my Newport, but for $550 i think i can repair mine with the Eastwood kit and save a lot, since that particular model (and all others except New Yorker and 300F, G) steering wheel finish is plain paint.
Now if you have the clear unit that is a different ballpark. Someone repro those, but i cant remember who and for how much.
What I'm getting at is a remanufactured CLEAR wheel available for $550... Find me a better deal than that and I'll buy one TODAY.
Meanwhile, all I've been able to find are $1100+ prices for restoring an original wheel.
$550 is HALF of that cost.
Just a thought.
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Location: DELAWARE | 68moparmike - 2008-04-19 10:05 PM
i am interested how will it work i send my old one to you or them and the remould it? what will be the turn around i dont want my car down all summer? im still intersted waiting to here the results |
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68moparmike - 2008-04-19 10:05 PM
i am interested how will it work i send my old one to you or them and the remould it? what will be the turn around i dont want my car down all summer? im still intersted waiting to here the results
Mike...
You would have to send the wheel to THEM (Koch's) once they have a mold in place. Meanwhile, I have no idea what their turn-around time would be... but I'm willing to donate the wheel I bought as the template for their mold.
To get more answers, I would advise you to call Koch's at 661-268-1341. Ask for Ruben.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | OK -all of you out ther in FL land who so far want one of these wheels, there has not been a lot of response here about it, so I have submitted an ad to the WPC News Magazine, ( WPC CLUB ) and hopefully will generate more interest soon. ANYONE OUT THERE have a good wheel to lend for a mold ??
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Location: Minneapolis | I saw the ad, I see you guys are still looking. My wheel is just about perfect, but I am real concerned about pulling it and shipping it off for an undetermined amount of time. Who pays the insurance and how much should it be insured for since it is basically irreplaceable? |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | forwardlookparts - 2008-09-07 10:09 AM I saw the ad, I see you guys are still looking. My wheel is just about perfect, but I am real concerned about pulling it and shipping it off for an undetermined amount of time. Who pays the insurance and how much should it be insured for since it is basically irreplaceable? Would you mind contacting Koch's and ask them for details? Is near perfect good enought for them etc? See how long they need it, and if they pay shipping, otherwise those of us who are getting wheels done would have to contribute to the shipping cost etc. hERE'S HOW TO contact Koch's Tel: (661) 268-1341 Fax: (661) 268-7011 Email: customerservice@kochs.com
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | blondie61 - 2009-05-07 9:51 AM I bought my Dad a NOS steering wheel for his 1961 Chrysler Newport Convertible (standard shift car) off of Ebay for $200 a couple years ago. I would have to discuss it with him, but he may be willing to lend it for the mold. Angie beagle727@fuse.net Hi Angie, That would be great, if he would lend it out for this project. We've been trying to get it going for a year or more now. I see you are new, Welcome to the Forum. Do you own a FL Car yourself ? |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | So if you can kindly ask him if he will loan out the wheel to Koch's, http://www.kochssteeringwheels.com/productcart/pc/mainIndex.asp it would be appreciated. |
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BEWARE... Apparently the '60 Chrysler wheel is a ONE YEAR ONLY design!
The decent '61 Chrysler wheel I purchased to replace my awful '60 wheel DOES NOT FIT!!!!!!
Apparently, the spline changed between the model years... even though the wheel shape is generally the same and the dash is otherwise mostly identical.
Now, I have a beautifully painted '61 Chrysler wheel... but it won't work on my car.
Anybody need a wheel for their '61? I'll make you a good deal on it.
Back to the drawing board for me... This sucks!
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Location: Ripon, WI | Nathan D. Manning - 2009-07-23 5:22 AM
MAJOR PROBLEM - NEED HELP>>>>
BEWARE... Apparently the '60 Chrysler wheel is a ONE YEAR ONLY design!
The decent '61 Chrysler wheel I purchased to replace my awful '60 wheel DOES NOT FIT!!!!!!
Apparently, the spline changed between the model years... even though the wheel shape is generally the same and the dash is otherwise mostly identical.
Now, I have a beautifully painted '61 Chrysler wheel... but it won't work on my car.
Anybody need a wheel for their '61? I'll make you a good deal on it.
Back to the drawing board for me... This sucks!
-NM
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When I talked with Grant Wheel, there were 2 wheel versions available at that time. You are unlucky to have the earlier one.... There is a wide core and a narrow core...
Any chance of an "adapter" for mating the two????????????
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