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57burb
Posted 2007-12-20 7:00 PM (#107939)
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I'm trying to buy this thing, so pardon me if I don't tell you a lot of specifics.

I probably won't be able to, as her asking price is obviously based on a restored value. If I can talk her down to a fair price, it will be mine. Wish me luck.



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57burb
Posted 2007-12-20 7:14 PM (#107943 - in reply to #107939)
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It doesn't have any rust on the body. At all.

Trunk, floors, fenders, under the hood.. nothing. It sure is sun beaten, but it would be a simple restoration.

Engine was taken apart in '87 and it hasn't budged since. She said it was the "timing belt" (ha!) but the OE timing chain is still in place. The valve cover, rocker shafts, intake, and front cover are sitting in the trunk, as are all the other accessories.

Anyone want to tell me what you would consider a fair price for it?
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BHWINC
Posted 2007-12-20 7:22 PM (#107948 - in reply to #107939)
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You've got my wish of luck!
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vedette
Posted 2007-12-20 7:22 PM (#107949 - in reply to #107939)
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'57 New Yorker 2 door hardtops don't show up too often,could be a great car by the looks of it.Can only go up in value.
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:26 PM (#107950 - in reply to #107939)
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Best of luck on getting that one Danny! That New yorker would be a perfect start. I would imagine the value in this condition of somewhere around $6000 being so darn solid. ---John
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:39 PM (#107952 - in reply to #107939)
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Nice car, loaded up.

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Posted 2007-12-20 7:40 PM (#107953 - in reply to #107939)
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Danny: Regardless of the lack of rust, there is still a lot of work to be done to that car to bring it back. But a '58 New Yorker coupe is so rare and desireable that I think I might even up John's estimate to around $8000. Where else are you going to find one?
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57burb
Posted 2007-12-20 7:44 PM (#107955 - in reply to #107953)
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Kind of the way I saw it.

It has every option I can imagine - the 7button radio, power windows, A/C, clock in the dash (standard Chrysler? - I dunno).

I was hoping to get it for around $5k but that might be optimistic. I don't mind telling you that the first number I heard was a lot like $5k but with more zeroes.
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:50 PM (#107957 - in reply to #107939)
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I don't hate you, but I sure am envious. One of the most beautiful Forwardlooks made in my opinion, so much so that based on looks alone, I would take one over a 300 model. Good luck.
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d500neil
Posted 2007-12-20 8:08 PM (#107961 - in reply to #107957)
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Danny, I think that you forgot to mention the power SEAT!

Was the car white, with black trim?

I wonder why Chrysler routinely put red instrument cluster housings into the dashboards?

Good luck, buddy!

The car probably has a 2.93 rear end in it, too!


Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm: tasty!






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57burb
Posted 2007-12-20 9:07 PM (#107973 - in reply to #107961)
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Neil, it was definitely white from the factory but it's actually hard to tell what the spear color was. It looks either black or maroon, depending on where you look at it.

I did notice the power seat, just forgot to mention it. The Jiffy Jet bag is still supple! It has bumper guards but no stone guards. Are there any other options you guys are noticing? Does the A/C look factory? The compressor has a Chrysler part number tag on it, but looks aftermarket. The engine is coded NE57 but does not match the sequence number of the VIN. Can anyone tell me what the VIN codes as? N5717275

Thanks for all the input guys, I really appreciate it. I hope I end up with it. If it's out of my price range, I will tell everyone where it is, I want this car to have a solid future...
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d500neil
Posted 2007-12-20 9:10 PM (#107977 - in reply to #107939)
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The A/C's factory; you got a OEM viscous 6-blade fan-clutch assembly, sitting in the trunk!

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vedette
Posted 2007-12-20 9:18 PM (#107982 - in reply to #107939)
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going by how fully loaded it is,there's probably a Highway Hi-Fi hiding in the trunk too.
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Posted 2007-12-20 10:16 PM (#107986 - in reply to #107961)
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Probably more like a 3.36 rear.

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Posted 2007-12-20 10:20 PM (#107987 - in reply to #107973)
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Vin#'s and engine numbers normally do not match on 57 and 58 long wheelbase Chryslers. The 300's have numbers as much as 70 or 80 number away from the Vin# on their engines, depending on when they were built. The later they were built, the further apart the number became. NE57 is definitely a 57 New Yorker engine.

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d500neil
Posted 2007-12-21 12:32 AM (#108010 - in reply to #107939)
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George, the Imp's got 2.76'ers (for sure) and the Yorkers got 2.93's, I'm pretty sure----made for quiet running and that wonderful "18mpg" that's always been (mistakenly) attributed to the 392's economy, and not to its rear end gearset.

I still haven't taken a pure fill-up-based road trip, to check my car's new-found MPG, with its replacement 2.76 gearset. It IS noticibly quieter, than with the 3.36:1, and even-still accellerates ok, from a stop.

The 392 would have plenty-more/enuf Hp & torque, to get underway, than my 325 (330, now, w/a 40-over bore-out) provides.....









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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2007-12-21 1:33 AM (#108011 - in reply to #108010)
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My first FL car was just like this .... 57 NY'er 2HT. Colors were a dijon yellow with charcoal top and spear. Truly a stunning car. The 300 guys told me it would make a nice parts car ! That was where the 300 guys and I parted ways. Best of luck. That is one of the ultimate FL cars ever made.

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Posted 2007-12-21 1:56 AM (#108013 - in reply to #107973)
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Well there is also the rear speaker trims and mesh and the rear window defroster, 57burb! I have seen some prices from 4 to 8.000 $. It looks like a good catch - I hope that you get it!
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Posted 2007-12-21 2:38 AM (#108017 - in reply to #107939)
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Best wishes, I hope you get it.

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Posted 2007-12-21 4:04 AM (#108019 - in reply to #107939)
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There should be a law, which would prevent the stylists from making the C pillars wider and the rear window lower than it was on a '57 Chrysler hardtop...this is just so classic shape that we really shouldn't step back, only forward.
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Posted 2007-12-21 8:17 AM (#108032 - in reply to #107939)
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I think I'm going to cry! Beautiful car I hope you get it.

It reminds me of a '57 New Yorker coupe that I stumbled across a few years back. I stopped to look at a '59 Dodge that was wearing D500 badges, had an LA-383 and an ugly floor shifter in a big plastic box. The guy came out of his backyard covered in grease and told me it was his friends. After bulls**tting with him a bit and telling him about the '58 Windsor I just scored, he welcomed me into his backyard because he had something I could appreciate.

All the sheetmetal had been replaced from pieces from New Mexico. The heads were off of the 392 and re-done. He was missing the seats and the trim. I looked around his backyard and even though it was tiny, he had probably 6 classic cars between the garage, lawn and driveway.

The same old story, too many projects! He was sick of it being in his back yard and would let it go for 2k. The bonus was that he was a paint and body man that from the examples he showed me did stellar work and if I bought the car he could give me a deal.

Mind you at the time I was working at Little Caesars Pizza to the tune of $5.50 an hour so 2K was wayyy out of my league and I had just got my '58 Windsor. I wonder if the car is still in his back yard as he never had advertised it. It's been so long, I don't know if I could even find the house.

Maybe I'll try on my lunch break.
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Posted 2007-12-21 9:07 AM (#108035 - in reply to #107939)
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Danny, I'm still wondering why anyone would hate you?

Is darn good luck that you stumbled onto this beauty - take full pleasure and advantage, as it's likely not going to happen again.

A lucky knock of fate has found me twice with classic cars - first with the rust free and roadworthy '57 Lincoln Premiere 2 door hardtop I picked up for $1,150 back in 1990, then just this month with the '55 Fireflite Coronado. I'm not worried about someone going green with envy about me snagging a solid and beautiful car - rather, I'm counting my blessings, for d@mn sure, especially with having the privilege of dealing with such a great guy as John Fowlie in the process.

I mean, it's not like you're posting these pics and immediately going "Nah-Nah! Poo-poo on you that I found it and you didn't!" - then we'd have to grab you by the scruff and give you a collective drop kick.....

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Posted 2007-12-21 10:07 AM (#108040 - in reply to #108035)
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I hope you get it man, definitely one of the finest examples of Forward Look beauty.
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Posted 2007-12-22 12:02 AM (#108142 - in reply to #107939)
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Good luck! I hope it happens for you.

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57burb
Posted 2007-12-26 7:07 PM (#108488 - in reply to #108142)
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Update.

Got this in an email today.

"You know the old expression, "If it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't?" Well, that guy was not foe real. But I have had several offers, the most at this time is $X. (AWfully close to yours, hint, hint, and you know you would just love it to pieces and it's sooooo close to you!) Let me know if your interesested."

I replied that at $X, I am definitely interested. Might own a '57 NY soon! I'm beyond excited.
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d500neil
Posted 2007-12-26 8:49 PM (#108498 - in reply to #107939)
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Danny, WHEN you get the car, I would greatly appreciate seeing how the factory painted the trunk interior (after you get it all
cleaned-out, including those cardboard liner-panels!)
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Posted 2007-12-27 1:15 AM (#108521 - in reply to #107939)
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Well let us know for sure.
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Posted 2007-12-27 9:05 AM (#108536 - in reply to #107939)
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Like the others who have posed before, no hate...much love. Wish I could find one like this local to me for a decent price. I have decided when I finally get my f/l it will have to be a 57-58 Plymouth or Chrysler coupe. I do have one question about how rare everyone is saying it is. I know these cars are getting harder to find (50's Mopars in general) but what makes this car so rare relative to the others? Is it that it is a loaded NY'er coupe or just because it is a Chrysler coupe? I guess what I am getting at, is a Saratoga or Windsor in similar condition just as rare as this car?

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57burb
Posted 2007-12-27 10:51 AM (#108538 - in reply to #108536)
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Well as you know, they're all pretty rare anymore! There were 8863 New Yorker 2dr HTs made in '57, which doesn't make it an incredibly rare car. What IS rare about this one is that it is 100% complete and basically rust-free.

It does have some unusual options, but what I think is best about this car is that it is one of the best examples of the Forward Look. Long low and wide, tall fins, clean and simple trim, power everything and a 392 Hemi under the hood.

Most of them you find are either super expensive restored cars or super rusty junk.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2007-12-27 3:26 PM (#108567 - in reply to #108538)
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Like anything, cheaper priced products sell in larger numbers than the more pricey stuff. The NY'er was no different. I do not have production figures at hand, but I would bet Windsor numbers were at least double what NY'er numbers were. Multiply by all the NY'ers that succumbed to being parted for their 392's, and the survival rate is even more reduced.

The NY'er really hit the mark in 57. It was about as close to perfectly "balanced" as a car design can hope to be, ... truly ranking as one of the best FL designs ever dreamed up.


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d500neil
Posted 2007-12-27 3:32 PM (#108569 - in reply to #107939)
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...not only the fact that it's a NY'er 2-dr, in great physical/original-unrestored-unmolested condition, but it's a FULLY-O.E.M.
LOADED yadayadayadayada....and that makes it treble-ly rare and desireable !

Now, if only it were a convertible......(!)





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57burb
Posted 2007-12-28 1:52 AM (#108635 - in reply to #108569)
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Neil, I'd agree with you if we're talking about value.

But just for style, well - there was never a prettier roofline put on any car, ever, period.

Still haven't heard back...
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2007-12-28 2:25 AM (#108636 - in reply to #108635)
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My 57 NY'er was a dijon yellow color with charcoal roof and insert. At some point the roof and insert were repainted white. This is how it looked when I found it. On a side profile, the white color insert came back and flowed right through the backup lense - perfect alignment.

The original colors appealed to me, and so one day I wet sanded the white off half the car to reveal the charcoal paint beneath. I liked this color combo much better. It was a more dramatic late 50's color statement. But the dark insert color clashed with the clear lense of the backup light and that cohesive flowing element was lost. It had sort of a "checkerboard" look and no longer cleanly "flowed through". Not a big deal. Just a elemental detail.

I occasionally make a comment about "design balance". A certain aesthetic that industrial designers always strive for, .... or at least the USED to !

Of course, everyones' tastes never fully match up, but in the eyes of professional designers, that "perfect balance" is always the target they shoot for, that combination of elements that make a product fly off the shelf, make piles of money for the manufacturer, and ultimately earn a good designer the reputation and accounts that make him / her money.

Exner, for whatever credit is due him for his design or oversight of the 57 NY'er, especially the 2HT, really came close to that "balance". Some elements like the reversed colors in the insert might actually affect that balance, but few cars ever pulled off the balance like that one.

I hope you get this car and return it to its former glory. It will be a showstopper anywhere you drive it.

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57burb
Posted 2008-01-04 4:48 PM (#109672 - in reply to #108636)
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Well, after a bunch of jawing, it looks like I've worked a deal for the Chrysler. It's a big project and I'm probably paying too much, but I wanted it pretty bad. I'll be doing the deal next weekend, as I'm out of town this coming week. Pinch me.
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d500neil
Posted 2008-01-04 4:56 PM (#109673 - in reply to #107939)
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hah; I'd rather have YOUR car, than that 58 Fury, on the 'Pay, right now; it's been bid to over 10-kay, and it is "complete"
but needs-everything to be overhauled (including finding a correct dual-cab engine!)

Hopefully, on a private-sale basis, you got it for less than $10,000.00 .





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Posted 2008-01-04 7:51 PM (#109686 - in reply to #109672)
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57burb - 2008-01-04 1:48 PM

Well, after a bunch of jawing, it looks like I've worked a deal for the Chrysler. It's a big project and I'm probably paying too much, but I wanted it pretty bad. I'll be doing the deal next weekend, as I'm out of town this coming week. Pinch me.


Congrats, Danny, you were definitely due to win the battle!! Post some pics when the car arrives home. ---John
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Posted 2008-01-04 8:29 PM (#109692 - in reply to #107939)
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...Danny "won" !
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Posted 2008-01-04 8:34 PM (#109694 - in reply to #107939)
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If you think you may have paid too much, wait 5 years you will be looking back and thinking you stole that car for the price!
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Posted 2008-01-05 3:17 AM (#109711 - in reply to #109672)
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57burb - 2008-01-05 1:48 PM

Well, after a bunch of jawing, it looks like I've worked a deal for the Chrysler. It's a big project and I'm probably paying too much, but I wanted it pretty bad. I'll be doing the deal next weekend, as I'm out of town this coming week. Pinch me.


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I paid "too much" for 57 NY'er 2HT in 1983. I think it cost me $200.

I paid WAY "too much" for my Fireflite - $10,000 - when I bought it.

Try finding either for anything close to those numbers today !

Price is time relative. Even of you think you are paying too much, if the car is rare and desireable, chances are it will work out in your favor. I'll take a hit in the bank account any day over the endless search. I can always go make some more money to put back in the account !
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Posted 2008-01-08 5:42 PM (#110100 - in reply to #107943)
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I guess the DFW area is high dollar. I scored a similar car here in Southeast Kansas for $1500 (Don't hate me!) It is a 56 Chrysler New Yorker Newport 2 door hardtop with 354 hemi. The car is complete right down to the last tiny piece of chrome. It does have some rust issues in the rocker panels but that is it. I am guestimating around $5K to get it back on the road as a driver which is as far as I want to take it. In 15 years or so my son can decide if he wants to restore it, drive it, or sell it.

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d500neil
Posted 2008-01-08 9:04 PM (#110148 - in reply to #107939)
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Congratulations, Dave!

When you have the chance, why don't you post some pics of your new car, over on the Member's Rides board?
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57burb
Posted 2020-04-20 8:41 PM (#597149 - in reply to #107939)
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I was digging around on the site looking for some old info I may have posted, and found this - the thread where I had just found the Chrysler, even before I bought it.

It's really astounding how much work has been done on it since then.


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Posted 2020-04-21 10:16 AM (#597178 - in reply to #107939)
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It's beautiful now and tasteful, but must say it looked pretty cool with it's patina as well!
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57burb
Posted 2020-04-21 10:46 AM (#597181 - in reply to #597178)
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Yeah, I drove it around looking pretty shabby for nearly a year. That was enough for me.



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Posted 2020-04-22 2:58 PM (#597224 - in reply to #107939)
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I'm with you, 57burb. I'm not a fan of the patina fad and I think your repaint looks great. I had a 1957 Chrysler Windsor 4-door in former days, and they can be plush cars. Mine didn't look quite as nice as yours though.

Just a question though: why did you swap the Chrysler bumper for a 57 De Soto bumper? Personal taste? 

 

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57burb
Posted 2020-04-22 8:16 PM (#597237 - in reply to #107939)
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Yep. I've got a couple of decent '57 Chrysler bumpers, but I prefer the Desoto bits.
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