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57burb
Posted 2019-07-15 8:05 PM (#584873 - in reply to #583850)
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I've been wanting to try some full wheelcovers on this car for a while, so this is my first baby steps in that realm.

I kept the same size wheels all around and swapped the tires over. The rears are "dirt track" wheels because they're the only thing I could find with the correct offset for my narrower rear end. Plus they were cheap!

Eventually I might make some mild changes to the Lancers, but I kind of like them as-is with the gold wheels. Or try some different covers altogether. Definitely gives the car a more understated vibe.



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Posted 2019-07-15 10:07 PM (#584876 - in reply to #584873)
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That looks really sharp, I love the gold rims with your black car- very '50s especially with the spinners!
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Posted 2019-07-16 8:57 AM (#584882 - in reply to #111659)
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Looking great with the wheel covers but I personally do not like 3-tone or more than 2 colors on a car and the rims should be color keyed to one of the body colors. With a gold-anodized side trim the gold rims would look good. Just my opinion.

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57burb
Posted 2019-07-16 10:45 AM (#584889 - in reply to #584882)
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I hear ya, Sid. Gold has been used to add subtle visual interest throughout the car; the grille, the engine, the instrument pods, door panels, seat piping, etc. So it's not completely out of left field.
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Posted 2019-07-17 5:10 PM (#584939 - in reply to #111659)
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Dennis, great so see it. I likr „your“ style
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57burb
Posted 2019-09-18 12:55 PM (#587709 - in reply to #584939)
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After looking at it for so long, I had it in my head that this car needed some slightly narrower whitewalls to fit in with the '59-61 time period I wanted it to look like. I was also determined to run my wire wheels on this car!

I saved up some money and ordered a set of US Royal (Coker) 6.70 and 8.20 tires with slightly narrower whitewalls, then put them on the wire wheels. And they are all wrong. A side view is the most flattering look for it, but the tires are too short up front, and too narrow everywhere. Especially the rear! Dang it.

I'm back to running the chrome reverse and tires I started with. On one hand it's expensive and aggravating, but on the other hand I'm glad I finally scratched that itch and can stop thinking about it. LOL

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Posted 2019-09-18 4:18 PM (#587718 - in reply to #111659)
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Now you'll need another project to put those tires onto! Something wires would look good on. How about a '54-'56 DeSoto or 300B?

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Posted 2019-09-18 5:55 PM (#587721 - in reply to #111659)
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Yeah who can have only one fwl car? I mean they are cheap!
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57burb
Posted 2019-09-19 10:29 AM (#587735 - in reply to #587721)
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Heh, yep. I do still have the wagon, but I think a local guy wants it more than I do. If I ever have another "nice" FL car it will probably be a red 300B with wire wheels.
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Posted 2019-10-25 7:44 PM (#589274 - in reply to #587735)
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Just a couple of small updates. I wanted to put the Trinidad carpet in the car back in March, but I ran out of time and budget for it. But it just had to happen! So I went ahead and paid the interior guy to do it so it would turn out nice, and I'm glad I did. He also made some floor mats for it and put the gold piping around them. At first I wasn't crazy with the pictures, but when I saw it in person it really popped! He said the carpet is like "looking at a galaxy" and he's kind of right. At night, it is really like looking into space. It's crazy.

And then something else I have wanted to do for a long time was run chrome stripes over the roof. This is a "custom" thing I guess, but very localized to the suburbs of south LA in around '58-59. Not many people do this but I just love it! (gotta have something controversial or else it's not a custom!)

And finally, someone accused me of "not driving" this car. I drive it all the time! I took a pic on the street when my wife and I were out this week.





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Posted 2019-10-28 2:35 PM (#589413 - in reply to #111659)
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Those stripes shouldn't be too controversial because most people will never see them, except from above. You say they were popular in S. LA. How did you hear about it?
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Posted 2019-10-28 4:16 PM (#589422 - in reply to #111659)
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I like the car, but those stripes....... After 35 years reading 50s/early 60s custom car/car magazines I have never seen them. Anyway they did a lot of terrible things back then too, like the utterly tasteless "Watson-style" cars. The stripes are not as bad, but, in my opinion a mistake. Otherwise that car looks very clean. Also they look like painted, not like a molding, with other words a BIG NO-NO in 50s car design. You will not find a single American car from the 50s with painted on ornamentation, like in the 70s. The car designers of the 50s were styling-gods.
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Posted 2019-10-28 6:54 PM (#589434 - in reply to #111659)
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the stripes are fairly subtle... i like em, kind of sets it off a bit. everyone has the black plain cars, and its out of the way.
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Posted 2019-10-28 11:46 PM (#589456 - in reply to #111659)
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I like the car both ways, it's such a fabulous car in either case.
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Posted 2019-10-29 10:47 AM (#589466 - in reply to #589456)
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Heh, thanks guys.

Powerflite - 2019-10-28 1:35 PM

Those stripes shouldn't be too controversial because most people will never see them, except from above. You say they were popular in S. LA. How did you hear about it?


The car is low enough that you can see them. I have an entire bookshelf dedicated to custom car magazines and books from that '55-65 time period. I took a pic below of the area known as 'Kustomland' that was known for custom cars throughout the 1950s.
1960fury - 2019-10-28 3:16 PM

I like the car, but those stripes....... After 35 years reading 50s/early 60s custom car/car magazines I have never seen them. Anyway they did a lot of terrible things back then too, like the utterly tasteless "Watson-style" cars. The stripes are not as bad, but, in my opinion a mistake. Otherwise that car looks very clean. Also they look like painted, not like a molding, with other words a BIG NO-NO in 50s car design. You will not find a single American car from the 50s with painted on ornamentation, like in the 70s. The car designers of the 50s were styling-gods.


Well if you ignore all of Watson's legacy then you're going to have missed the chrome tape on the roof bit. They even laid some down on his casket! I would say the trend was contained almost entirely within The Renegades car club of Long Beach, and only from about 1958 to 1960. Watson wasn't a member but he did a lot of their paintwork as shown below.

And it's just tape. It peels right off. It's just there to catch your eye if you're paying attention to the car. I was surprised how much people have commented on it. I might have to shoot some clear over them.

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Posted 2019-10-29 11:15 AM (#589470 - in reply to #111659)
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Thanks for the pictures. That map pretty accurately maps out the worst part of LA today, except that it extends more to the North and less to the South.
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Posted 2019-10-29 4:18 PM (#589484 - in reply to #589470)
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Powerflite - 2019-10-29 11:15 AM

Thanks for the pictures. That map pretty accurately maps out the worst part of LA today, except that it extends more to the North and less to the South.


Maybe there is something in the drinking water that explains the stripes and the delelopment of that area
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Posted 2019-10-29 4:20 PM (#589485 - in reply to #589434)
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mikes2nd - 2019-10-28 6:54 PM

the stripes are fairly subtle... i like em


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Posted 2019-10-29 7:42 PM (#589495 - in reply to #589485)
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Hey it's all good Sid! You can't say I didn't warn all of you back in 2008!


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Denis, that's not bad but it's not my style of car. Take a look at any of the custom car "little books" circa '59-62 and that's the mild custom style this car will be built in.


Even the photoshop I did back then is pretty close to how the car turned out...





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Posted 2020-02-11 9:53 AM (#594063 - in reply to #111659)
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That came out just stunning!! Wow!
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Posted 2020-02-11 10:31 AM (#594065 - in reply to #111659)
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The front bumper guards are a nice addition. They compliment the DeSoto bumper quite well I think.
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Posted 2020-02-11 11:45 AM (#594068 - in reply to #594065)
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This car is almost unreal-what a beauty....I f the man who have built it wants stripes-stripes it is! It is his car after all..
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Posted 2020-02-11 2:42 PM (#594079 - in reply to #594068)
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Firedome-TX - 2020-02-11 8:53 AM

That came out just stunning!! Wow!


Thanks for saying that Clif. That front bumper is the very same one from the red Firedome parts car! It has a signature 'wave' in the lower passenger side where it meets the grille mesh. I kind of like that it's there, it reminds me the car has very humble beginnings! You can kinda see it in these pics. I'll be at LSRU again this year, maybe we can meet up and cruise.
Powerflite - 2020-02-11 9:31 AM

The front bumper guards are a nice addition. They compliment the DeSoto bumper quite well I think.

Thanks Nathan. I always wanted the guards on it. In fact, at one point I drove to Missouri to pick up a second bumper. Supposedly it had nice guards and I needed a passenger-side guard because the one I had was rusty. The guards on this bumper looked intact, but again the passenger side one was so rusty that the only thing holding its shape was the chrome itself. Arrgh. I bought it anyway. And that's the upper part of the bumper on my car now. I still had to hunt down yet another pass-side guard.
22mafeja - 2020-02-11 10:45 AM

This car is almost unreal-what a beauty....I f the man who have built it wants stripes-stripes it is! It is his car after all..

Thank you Ralf. It's funny, but most of my friends that didn't like the stripes at first have come around and said they like the car better with them now. oh well



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57burb
Posted 2020-02-26 5:59 PM (#594876 - in reply to #111659)
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I put a couple of vids up of the car.

My wife's friend wanted a video of the car and specifically to see the carpet, so I filmed this one night to give an idea of what it looks like. Sorry (not sorry) about the Waylon.
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This one meant something to me because this club only gives awards to cars that really capture the pre'63 rod and custom vibe.
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Posted 2020-03-07 11:19 PM (#595386 - in reply to #594876)
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Put a stock '57-58 300 2x4 intake on it with a pair of WCFBs. Removed the generator mounting bosses from the intake and crossover. It took some work to get the air cleaners to fit. I still have some cleanup to do, and fine tune the carburetors. But it finally has the right vibe under the hood.

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Posted 2020-03-08 12:27 AM (#595388 - in reply to #111659)
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Looks great! Why did you decide to go with the WCFB's instead of AFB's? I ask because the only reason I would use them is to make it look stock. I am not a big fan of them, but I plan to use them on my 300C rather than converting it to AFB's like everything else.
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Posted 2020-03-08 10:52 AM (#595400 - in reply to #595388)
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The WCFBs have the right look, and I don't need to grind out the holes in a 60+ year old intake. I tell myself those are the reasons. But if I'm being honest, after years of seeing millions of small block Chevrolet engines with those "Elderbrock" carbs, I have a deep seated hatred for the old AFB. LOL. But there is nothing wrong with them, they are good carburetors.
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Posted 2020-03-08 11:22 AM (#595402 - in reply to #111659)
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I agree about the Edelbrock carbs. The quality control went way downhill once Carter lost control of them. But the old OEM AFB is a great carb, coupled with a Weiand intake instead of the original. I agree that the WCFB's you have on there do look great.
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Posted 2020-03-25 2:34 PM (#596018 - in reply to #595402)
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kustomrama did an article on my little kustom Pretty cool!

I assume you guys have seen most of these pics, but it gives kind of a nice timeline.

https://kustomrama.com/wiki/Danny_Vandergriff%27s_1957_Chrysler

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Posted 2020-03-25 4:41 PM (#596023 - in reply to #596018)
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57burb - 2020-03-25 11:34 AM
kustomrama did an article on my little kustom Pretty cool!
I assume you guys have seen most of these pics, but it gives kind of a nice timeline.


Congrat's to you (and your body work/paint Dad) Danny. Beautiful car. Nice article.

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Posted 2020-03-25 5:47 PM (#596026 - in reply to #111659)
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Congratulations, that's great! Your car really deserves the recognition.

Did you see the final product being offered for the crossover with 331 heads on a 392? Despite our input they chose to make a blower version. Why? People running blowers don't have issues just using the one Hot Heads sells. What's worse is Hot Heads says of the same design, but for 392 heads, "does not work well with blower engines". That's why they made their other design. And their other design is cheaper too. So if it isn't good for blower motors, and it isn't good for regular motors, who's going to buy it? I don't understand why people spend gobs of money to make a product that crowds the existing market with the same product that very few people even want. Meanwhile, the stock style aluminum ones from PAW continue to skyrocket in price and no one wants to sell them.

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Posted 2020-03-26 10:21 AM (#596051 - in reply to #596026)
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56D500boy - 2020-03-25 3:41 PM

Congrat's to you (and your body work/paint Dad) Danny. Beautiful car. Nice article.

:)

Thank you Dave, I appreciate it!

Nathan, it really doesn't make a lot of sense. It seems like the market would be for "streetable 392 block + 354 head" combos since people building Chryslers tend to want the cubic inches of the tall deck block and the improved flowing of either factory 555 heads or the Hot Heads aluminum version. When you say that crossover is a "blower version" do you mean the thermostat is offset more than factory, and mounted vertically? Is there any reason that couldn't also work for a naturally aspirated setup? Might need to drill a hole and tap a pipe fitting for the water pump bypass.

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Posted 2020-03-26 11:19 AM (#596055 - in reply to #111659)
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That design was originally meant for a blower, although it didn't work great because it put the hose through the middle of the blower belt. So you have to use a stiffer metal transition pipe through there. If you use it on a naturally aspirated setup, it sends the hose very close to the fan. If you eliminate the fan, there isn't an issue except for routing the hose to the radiator, but you have to change a lot of stuff to make it work well. And it's ugly. This design has been around since the '60's for the regular heads and it doesn't sell well at all. It's still available, but it only serves to increase the value of original crossovers. Original cast iron crossovers go for around $100 now. Almost no one is buying the aluminum one because of its design, and yet that's what they chose to make.
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Posted 2020-03-26 11:35 AM (#596057 - in reply to #111659)
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Hmm. Yeah, their market is the street rod crowd, the people that immediately scrap "all that crap" and cut a huge check to HH to run Chevy water pumps, billet serpentine arrangements, orange paint and black valve covers.

"Suddenly It's 1966!"

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Posted 2020-03-26 12:08 PM (#596060 - in reply to #111659)
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Exactly. I did an image search to see if I could find pictures of people using this design, and it's actually very difficult to find any. The only one I could find is this one that was set up to run exclusively on a dyno.



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Posted 2020-03-27 1:04 AM (#596101 - in reply to #596057)
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57burb - 2020-03-26 10:35 AM

Hmm. Yeah, their market is the street rod crowd, the people that immediately scrap "all that crap" and cut a huge check to HH to run Chevy water pumps, billet serpentine arrangements, orange paint and black valve covers.

"Suddenly It's 1966!" :o


I like you cane holder there.
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