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Mayfair
Posted 2014-01-28 9:25 AM (#424478 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: Re: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-01-28 10:04 AM (#424489 - in reply to #424458)
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SavoyPlaza - 2014-01-29 3:20 AM

Also, I'll post a photo of a two-tone business coupe I bought some years ago. She was too far gone to save; I kept all the flat
glass and stripped her. I always thought it strange that she was two-tone; no other options on her.
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Did you save the body tags off this car ??? What is the special code designation for a business coupe ?

If a bare bones 58 Plaza is LPE, what is a double-extra bare bones example designated as ???

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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-28 10:27 AM (#424497 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: Re: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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This girl needs more than patch panels. And no amount of work is going to make it into a sport coupe.


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1958 Plymouth Plaza
1958 2DR Plymouth Plaza Flat Head straight six cylinder restorable car this is the body style of the "Christine" Movie Car fender patch panels available on line ready for restoration all parts including all four original hub caps are here except a small piece of trim on passenger side
1950,1951,1952,1953,1954,1956,1957,1958,1959,1960,1961,1962,1963,1964,1965
Super cool cruiser come and check it out 281-808-0988
please note last two photos are an example of what this car can look like completed





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57Kelii
Posted 2014-01-28 10:40 AM (#424500 - in reply to #424458)
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SavoyPlaza - 2014-01-28 6:20 AM

Kelii, I saved the photos of a red '57 business coupe that was for sale a while ago, I'll post one here. I have forgotten where it
was located. Could this be the one you are thinking of?

Also, I'll post a photo of a two-tone business coupe I bought some years ago. She was too far gone to save; I kept all the flat
glass and stripped her. I always thought it strange that she was two-tone; no other options on her.
Pete


That's the one
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GregCon
Posted 2014-01-28 11:12 AM (#424503 - in reply to #133509)
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ChristineFury
Posted 2014-01-28 12:18 PM (#424521 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Auburndale Florida		Looking at one of the other pics with the car beside it in the ad. The trim on the fender looks like a 1965 Mercury Monterey after looking online.


I am wondering what the yard it came from was because there is a 65/66 Ford 4 door. If they have on that yards site I could see what it had.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-02-06 7:01 PM (#426194 - in reply to #424472)
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Location: The Mile High City		Hi, Pete:

Is that two-tone '57 a Savoy? If so, a Savoy business coupe would be ? ?
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2014-02-07 6:08 AM (#426232 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Georgia		I believe it was a Plaza. It was definitely a business coupe, no back seat with stationary rear windows, but, yes, a two tone.
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Mayfair
Posted 2014-02-07 9:55 AM (#426250 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Bavaria, Germany		Pete, did you take a picture of the interior / rear seat area?
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SavoyPlaza
Posted 2014-02-07 4:06 PM (#426280 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Georgia		Joseph, I did take a few photos, the car was in quite poor shape, and there wasn't much left to see what she was like new.
Here are all the photos I took:
First, this is the inside; note no panels or cards were intact. Note there are no "guts" for window mechanism.
Second photo depicts the remains of a panel, no holes for window cranks/armrests/etc.
Third is the seal for the stationary window.

I'd love to see what was in place when new, these business coupes have always fascinated me. I think there is a member here
from Alaska with a '58, but if I remember correctly, his did not have any original features remaining.
Pete



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60crossram
Posted 2014-02-07 8:23 PM (#426331 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: RE: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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Location: Layton, Utah		Pretty rough one in Houston for $4950.00. Love how they put two pics of a red restored hardtop 58 in the ad.
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Mayfair
Posted 2014-02-08 2:58 AM (#426366 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: Re: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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Location: Bavaria, Germany		Pete, thanks for sharing pics. Even in rough shape, the first time I see one of these inside!
Another question is also answered by your pictures: it seems that the "wall" between passenger cabin and trunk
was closed when the car was new. No free pass-through.
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58coupe
Posted 2014-02-08 10:05 AM (#426385 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Alaska		You are correct about my 58 business coupe, all of the original inside panels are missing. I also have two 57 club sedans for parts and will be using those inside panels as patterns. I just assume the interior colors were the same as a Plaza club sedan. If you look in members rides under "my car" and 58coupe, you will find pictures.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-03-02 2:31 PM (#429572 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: RE: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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Here's a detail from a page of the Plymouth Merchandiser, in-house newspaper, that a
member sent me.

"Business", indeed!






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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-02 7:33 PM (#429618 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: RE: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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Location: Ocala, Florida		I guess I will post Lucy.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-02 7:36 PM (#429620 - in reply to #133509)
Subject: Re: 57-58 Plymouth business coupes



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-02 9:24 PM (#429636 - in reply to #133509)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		I have been told that on my car (since 1963 anyway) there was nothing back there but a curtain to cover where it went of the trunk area. Apparently the fellow that had Lucy sold shoes. I posted the cars tags in the decoding section.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-03-02 9:47 PM (#429640 - in reply to #429636)
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Location: bishop, ca		That 'curtain' would not have been OEM; it might appear that the factory left the "finishing" of the unadorned back
seat area to however the car's owner wanted it to be outfitted, to serve his business needs.

Makes you wonder what-or-how that PD was able to finish that car's interior...and/or, maybe, the optional back-seat
was added to it...probably.

The PD wouldn't need roll-down back windows, for the comfort and convenience of its passengers, huh?

The Business Coupe body probably made the PLY very competitive, pricewise, with the Bottom-Two cars.








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kmccabe56
Posted 2014-03-03 11:12 AM (#429679 - in reply to #133574)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-06-11 2:47 PM

interesting question.  I have wondered about it too.  If you look at the dealer order sheets, order code 601 lists a rear seat as ''optional" in the business coupe only.  See

 http://www.forwardlook.net/images/58_code3.jpg

This implies that a business coupe could be ordered without a rear seat or armrests?  Unfortunately, those are so rare and I have seen very few, if any, pictures.  I imagine that it would not be a pass through to the trunk, but a cover for where the back seat rest would have been, an extra larger rubber mat, and a full-length flat panel under the back window - but that is just my imagination and some vague recollections of the salesman's coupes from the '30's and '40's.  Kind of an extra storage area for samples.

Will we ever know the answer to this one?



The answer is on www.forwardlook.net.images/58_code1.jpg. It shows the business coupe as a separate model, 110 with a 6, 210 with a V8. By virtue of page 3 showing a rear seat on these models as an option, it can only mean that no rear seat was `standard'.

Did some other checking:

The 1958 Plymouth Features Book identifies the Business coupe as body L22. The two door sedan was L21. In the description of Sedans, it says "In the Plaza series a three-passenger business coupe is also offered." Later it mentions that the Plaza interiors are available in blue & beige, green & beige or tan with black.

While there is nothing to indicate in the Features book that a rear seat is not included on the L22, the Engineering Data Book, gives a more positive clue. In the chart of internal body length dimensions, L1 identifies the "0" line to rear seat back, L3 identifies the Back of front seat to rear seat back, L5 identifies "eg room - rear, diagonal - from ball of foot to top of rear seat cushion and to seat back - 15 inch line, L10 identifies the Front of rear seat back to Centerline of rear wheel and L16 identifies the depth of the rear seat - front edge to seat back. For all of these dimensions the chart is blank, while it lists dimensions for the 2 door sedan.

As to whether or not the cardstock panel is present on the diagonal bracing under the parcel shelf, I believe a thorough reading of the parts catalog will determine that.
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mstrug
Posted 2014-05-02 9:04 PM (#439015 - in reply to #133509)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-05-03 2:10 AM (#439035 - in reply to #439015)
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Chrycoman
Posted 2014-05-03 11:16 AM (#439083 - in reply to #424489)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-01-28 10:04 AM

SavoyPlaza - 2014-01-29 3:20 AM

Also, I'll post a photo of a two-tone business coupe I bought some years ago. She was too far gone to save; I kept all the flat
glass and stripped her. I always thought it strange that she was two-tone; no other options on her.
Pete


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Did you save the body tags off this car ??? What is the special code designation for a business coupe ?

If a bare bones 58 Plaza is LPE, what is a double-extra bare bones example designated as ???



The "E" stands for Evansville, either the assembly plant on Stringtown Road or, in this case, the body plant on East Columbia Avenue.


1958 was the first year for the passenger car model designation system that has been used since (updated / modified periodically) :

Model Year - Car Line - Engine/Chassis - Price Class.

In 1958 the price class letters were L - Low, M- Medium, H - High and S - Sports. 1958 Plymouth 6 Plaza was LP1-L, a V8 model LP2-L.
1958 Savoy models were M, Belvederes were H, and the Fury was S.

In the 1960's other letters were added - K - Police, T - Taxi, N- New York Taxi, E - Economy, and P - Premium. S was changed to Special and could mean a low-priced model (1970 US Dodge Polara Special and 1971-73 Canadian Dodge Polara Special) or high-priced (1972-1978 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham)

The engine/chassis number was dropped for the 1968 model year.

The 1958 serial number prefix (used only in 1958) was Model Year - Car Line - Engine/Chassis - Assembly Plant (outside of Detroit)

Engine/Chassis codes -
Plymouth (P) = 1 - 6; 2 - V8
Dodge (D) = 1 - Coronet 6; 2 - Coronet V8/Royal; 3 - Custom Royal
DeSoto (S) = 1 - Firesweep; 2 - Firedome; 3 - Fireflite/Adventurer
Chrysler (C) = 1 - Windsor (US); 2 - Saratoga (US) / Windsor (CDN); 3 - New Yorker; 4 - 300-D
Imperial (Y) = 1 = All
Dodge (E) (CDN Plymouth-based) = 1 - 6; 2 - V8

Assembly Plant codes =
E - Evansville
L - Los Angeles
N - Newark
W - Windsor
The Detroit plants had no code on the VIN - Lynch Road (Plymouth), Hamtramck (Dodge - DeSoto Firesweep). Wyoming Avenue (DeSoto, except Firesweep), East Jefferson (Chrysler and Imperial).

Body codes for Plymouth - 6 cylinder models start with "1" and V8 models with "2" -
Plaza :
Business Coupe - 110 / 210
2 Door Sedan - 111 / 211
4 Door Sedan - 113 / 213
Taxicab - 183 / 283
2 Door Suburban - 171 / 271

Savoy :
2 Door Sedan - 131 / 231
2 Door Hardtop - 132 / 232
4 Door Sedan - 133 / 233
4 Door Hardtop - 134 / 234
2 Door Custom Suburban - 172 / 272
4 Door, 2 Seat, Custom Suburban - 173 / 273
4 Door, 3 Seat, Custom Suburban - 174 / 274

Belvedere :
2 Door Sedan - 151 / 251
2 Door Hardtop - 152 / 252
4 Door Sedan - 153 / 253
4 Door Hardtop - 154 / 254
2 Door Convertible - --- / 255
4 Door, 2 Seat, Sport Suburban - 175 / 275
4 Door, 3 Seat, Sport Suburban - 176 / 276

Fury :
2 Door Hardtop = --- / 292

The Engineering Department model year code was L for 1958.

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mstrug
Posted 2014-05-03 5:29 PM (#439130 - in reply to #133509)
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Posted 2014-05-03 7:27 PM (#439148 - in reply to #133509)
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