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big m
Posted 2009-09-29 4:51 PM (#190655 - in reply to #141931)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-09-29 4:54 PM (#190656 - in reply to #190655)
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big m
Posted 2009-09-29 5:00 PM (#190658 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Williams California		I have a complete 2-door '57 Plymouth wagon I was planning to sell as a builder, there is only minor rust in the body.

I was looking at getting in the realm of $3000 for the entire car, but would be willing to drop the price substantially should I keep the Plymouth specific parts, as they won't be needed on the Dodge.

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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-09-29 5:01 PM (#190659 - in reply to #190658)
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-09-29 5:03 PM (#190660 - in reply to #143541)
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Todd: try contacting the large western recycling yards, like Hidden Valley, Desert Valley, Moores, Fremans and who-else;
I know that I've seen decent 1957 Dodge masonite headliner in several stationwagons at H.V. & D.V.




Desert Valley, yes. Hidden Valley? They once quoted me $300 for a '59 Plymouth flat head six air cleaner. That was nearly ten years ago.

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d500neil
Posted 2009-09-29 6:18 PM (#190667 - in reply to #190660)
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-09-29 7:12 PM (#190682 - in reply to #190667)
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Posted 2009-09-29 9:24 PM (#190704 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2009-10-01 3:17 PM (#190875 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2009-10-01 10:07 PM (#190911 - in reply to #141931)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-13 4:29 PM (#192324 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2009-10-15 9:33 PM (#192631 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2009-10-16 1:44 AM (#192648 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2009-10-20 8:11 PM (#193335 - in reply to #192631)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-23 2:50 PM (#193599 - in reply to #141931)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-24 1:15 PM (#193690 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		well got it outta there heres some new pics



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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-24 5:21 PM (#193736 - in reply to #141931)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-25 11:44 AM (#193820 - in reply to #193736)
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1955Coronado
Posted 2009-10-25 1:49 PM (#193829 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona		You're doing a darn fine thing there, Jeff. She's already one of the most unique FL wagons around - just think of what she'll be like when she's finished.

Is there any more frame issues?
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-25 7:34 PM (#193854 - in reply to #141931)
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ill know more as i get it apart but from what i know now frames junk i may patch it or find a donor car
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Posted 2009-10-26 4:58 PM (#193946 - in reply to #193854)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		found the broadcast sheet today on top the glovebox

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Posted 2009-10-26 5:12 PM (#193949 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Brooklyn NY		I looks alot better without the mulchpile on the engine. If you get a good donor car ....I think you're basically home. It's definitely an oddball, which I for one like. I think for the most part all of are cars are oddballs to the general public and generic car shows, for me that's the appeal, otherwise I would have kept my 73 Cuda' 340. Next time I take the family upstate, I hope I can give a shout, and check out your toys. Good Luck...Ralph from Brooklyn
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Posted 2009-10-26 5:18 PM (#193952 - in reply to #193946)
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Location: DFW, TX		Good find on that broadcast sheet!

All you need is a reasonably solid donor car and you've got all the hard-to-find parts right there for it. Man is it rough!!!
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-26 8:36 PM (#193977 - in reply to #141931)
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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-26 8:44 PM (#193979 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		OMG, Jeff! the Broadcast sheet, too (be still, my heart!)....

The best way to restore this car is to buy a donor CAR, and to use this car's frame, and VIN tag, and P/T plate, and engine, to
re-create your car via the donor car.

EVERYTHING is otherwise interchangeable between the two cars.

All of the unique numbers in Re: your car are found on the frame, and in/on the VIN, P/T plate and engine block.





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Posted 2009-10-26 8:45 PM (#193980 - in reply to #141931)
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-26 8:46 PM (#193981 - in reply to #193980)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		where are the frame #s?
and whats the # i found on the frame?


i think i need a tetnus shot as well!

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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-26 8:56 PM (#193983 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		What is your car's Scheduled build date; is its engine number KD500-10107?



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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-26 8:58 PM (#193984 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		heres a few better broadcast pics and engine number is KD500-10107

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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-26 9:00 PM (#193985 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		The car's engine number will be lightly stamped onto the drivers-rear side of the frame rail,behind the wheel-arch, up high
on it.

There will probably be only a partial strike-imprint, and you'll probably have to take the frame down to bare metal to see
it, but, the stamping number is there, and it might also be stamped on its upper surface, either on the rear-most frame
cross-member, or elsewhere on it.

It will be the engine number that is stamped, not the VIN.




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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-26 9:03 PM (#193986 - in reply to #193985)
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Posted 2009-10-26 9:03 PM (#193987 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		That B-Sheet looks to be in remarkable condition!

I would take it to some restorative company, like Servicemaster, or sum-such, and see if they can clean it for you.
The "restoration" companies have some amazing cleaning products and procedures.

After it's cleaned, I'd recommend getting it laminated, to preserve it.





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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-26 9:08 PM (#193990 - in reply to #193987)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		so u think this is as rare as a 1 of 1 car neil?


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57burb
Posted 2009-10-27 12:43 AM (#194022 - in reply to #193983)
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d500neil - 2009-10-26 7:56 PM

What is your car's Scheduled build date; is its engine number KD500-10107?


Yes, I also see KD500-10107. I believe you already answered the build date question.
d500neil - 2009-10-16 3:07 PM

It's crappy, but there is plenty of good info there.

It's a real 1957 2-dr Suburban D500, ---the first one that I've ever actually 'seen', too. can't tell if it was a Super D500---the
Broadcast Sheet & IBM card will confirm that option (sure, right; but true..)

Scheduled to have been built O.O.A. 3/1/57, not too far from my car (3/23/57), with Torqueflite, undercoating, and the Appearance Option group:
2-tone steering wheel (nice-), stone shields and the standard-plain wheelcovers., plus the Radio Group: push-button radio, back up lights,
left outside r/view mirror, inside day/nite mirror, and heater/defroster.

It was delivered to its selling dealership via Truck.

It's got the standard Coronet-convertible type HD upholstery, in gold/black, known as "Silver Strata"---seat backs are not notched in
the middle areas.

Exterior colors are Glacier white on everything but the middle 'Saddle' area, which is Turquoise--PRETTY!

Your car can and does have other individual options on it (shown/listed on the Broadcast Sheet and/or on the IBM build-card copy) , but
'this' is all that I can read off of its P/T plate.
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57burb
Posted 2009-10-27 12:46 AM (#194023 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: DFW, TX		Jeff, I kinda doubt it was the only one ever built. It was just an engine option and lots of people go straight for the big engine regardless of what kind of car they're buying. I don't think there is any breakdown of D500-ness by bodystyle, but I'll defer to the experts!

It's gotta be rare. I've never heard of any other D500 2dr wagons regardless of year.
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Posted 2009-10-27 3:46 PM (#194100 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		...You gotta define what 1-of-1 might actually mean; there is a decent chance that this car really IS a 1-of-1 built, when all of
its individual components/options & colors are taken into consideration.

It almost certainly is a 1-of-1 "surviving" (-sorta) example of a Turquoise/White Suburban D500.

It's the only Suburban D500 that I've ever seen/heard-of, since I began researching them, in the early 80's .

Jeff, try holding the Broadcast Sheet up to a strong back-light and see if you can read the ink-writing that
should be there, at the bottom-right of the B.-Sheet, in the 'Special Instructions' box-area.






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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-27 3:54 PM (#194102 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		Also, it looks like your car has a sway bar (which all of the wagons were supposed to have) and please count the number of
leaf springs; there should be 5 1/2 leafs there.

And, I don't see one, in your pic, but is there a brass tag on the carburetor??? What are its stamping numbers?






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Posted 2009-10-27 4:00 PM (#194103 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		John, does your 57 PLY wagon have a sway bar on it?
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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-27 4:14 PM (#194106 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: Finger Lakes NY		carb tags 2622sa and ill have to look at the springs
before i posted it i tried to make out what its says there and i cant ill try ultraviolet and see if i can


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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-27 4:41 PM (#194113 - in reply to #194106)
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57burb
Posted 2009-10-27 5:09 PM (#194123 - in reply to #194113)
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big m
Posted 2009-10-27 6:04 PM (#194138 - in reply to #194103)
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d500neil - 2009-10-27 1:00 PM

John, does your 57 PLY wagon have a sway bar on it?


None of the '57-'59 Plymouth wagons I have had used a sway bar, but the Dodge, DeSoto, and Chrysler wagons did.

---John
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Posted 2009-10-27 6:58 PM (#194152 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		The 57 Dodge wagons were supposed to have sway bars on them--all wagons, and ONLY the Custom Royal models.

All other models got bigger diameter (952/953) torsion bars, but, the wagons also got the 952/953 T/bars, along with
the sway bars.-----the CR models (with the sway bars) got 950/951 T/bars, because they were supposed to have a softer ride.





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fast59desoto
Posted 2009-10-28 4:05 PM (#194266 - in reply to #141931)
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d500neil
Posted 2009-10-28 7:04 PM (#194283 - in reply to #141931)
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Location: bishop, ca		That's a shot from Tulsa, 2007; you can't fool ME....

Your wagon should have 5 1/2 leafs.




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Posted 2009-10-28 7:18 PM (#194285 - in reply to #194283)
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Posted 2010-01-07 10:49 PM (#204268 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2010-01-08 7:40 AM (#204294 - in reply to #204268)
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Location: Wake Forest, NC		I look forward to seeing your progress, truly a car worth the effort. Its never a good thing when trees and roots are growing in your car. I know of a Dodge in Va with a small tree coming through the passenger floorboard. It is sad to see. Good luck
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Posted 2010-01-08 2:05 PM (#204328 - in reply to #141931)
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Posted 2010-01-08 3:35 PM (#204348 - in reply to #141931)
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