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Royal
Posted 2011-05-21 7:18 AM (#273387 - in reply to #144239)
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Congratulations to one of the coolest car ever made.

It looks like the engine is located in the trunk?

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BarnFind57
Posted 2011-05-21 11:51 AM (#273398 - in reply to #144239)
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Flippin' sweet!

I like that!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-05-27 5:15 PM (#274242 - in reply to #273345)
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Fantastic, Paul! Congratulations! In all the photographs of surviving Regals I have ever seen, your car's color pattern is unique. If I had a Regal to restore, this is the combination I would choose.

Kansas - Colorado - Massachusetts - Blackpool!

Now it appears that we will have to get the exhaust deflector project going. Of any suviving '58 Dodge out there, this one deserves a set! Did it come with the engine included?
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d500neil
Posted 2011-05-27 5:31 PM (#274245 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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I've decided; THIS is the rarest color combination for the Regal Lancers.

Mad dogs & Englishmen restore Regal Lancers X-000 miles from 'home' !

But, at least all of the hard-parts are included.

Be aware that the 'Shield' emblems on the fins do have black face panels, and that the 'Spear' emblems
are finished in Chrome. The Regals were the only models to have these finishes on them.

Also, the 1958 spinner wheel covers are painted with black semi-gloss/satin finish around the middle area of their stainless
steel outer 'pieces'.

You can have 24K gold plating be applied to the chromed spinner Knight's heads to replicate the OEM gold lacquer
finish that was applied to them. The gold plating is 'permanent' and looks really good.

AND, good news here: you can buy any-olde left fender side molding and have it be custom cut/fitted to
mate with the front-molding-end-piece.

I say any-olde because you'll have to have that molding be de-dinged and polished, along with the other
stainless trim moldings on the car, so, no use in paying big-Quid for a perfect/NOS side molding.








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d500neil
Posted 2011-05-27 5:49 PM (#274247 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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Now that we've recorded your car's final-current destination, on this board, you should start you own Member's Rides thread
and we can cross-reference the resto-thread of your car TO this message board, and vice versa.




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springsweptwing
Posted 2011-06-03 3:21 PM (#275266 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer



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car now in garage (in a christine pose) i will start stripping it in next couple of months so will start a restoration thread,previous owner removed engine to rebuild, heads etc are in trunk, the engine block is still sat in kansas as transport company would not take it, should be getting collected today and on its way to docks in florida, as previosly said headliner and most of interior is shot, the trim thats missing is inside car, dual anntenas only one made it here?owner said both in trunk but only one here when it arrived?

car been on sale since sept 2010, saw it in hemmings in febuary and took a chance it was still for sale, neil checked out the data plate for me and i bought it over the phone off the pictures



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d500neil
Posted 2011-06-29 2:30 PM (#278500 - in reply to #144239)
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I just 'found' another Regal, in IL.

It's white/bronze and is about a year from being fully frame-off restored.

The restorer is a semi-commercial gentlemen; I've asked him to join the website and to post up pics/info on his cars,
which include the 58 Coronet D500, over on the Craigslist board, now, and a 57 Fireflite(?) with twin carbs.





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-07-25 11:23 AM (#282170 - in reply to #278500)
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Hmmm... I hope he joins and posts a few pictures! That would be great to see another Regal.
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Posted 2011-08-24 11:23 PM (#286131 - in reply to #144239)
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Found this while serching for cars..... http://mopardoc.com/1958regallancer.html

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Royal
Posted 2011-08-25 3:13 PM (#286198 - in reply to #144239)
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Resize Mogges pix,



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Royal
Posted 2011-08-25 3:24 PM (#286199 - in reply to #144239)
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No outside mirrors, It looks strange.
This car is already discussed here.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-03-07 11:51 AM (#311129 - in reply to #144239)
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S.O.T. sent me this same car, as above shown, and asked me to post it here, as he thought that it
might be a 'new' car.

He has looked at this car, and it reportedly is not a Super-D, but, it might be a Single-4 D500.

I haven't seen its P/T plate.

They're asking $45K for it.



http://mopardoc.com/1958regallancer.html





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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-03-07 12:14 PM (#311134 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer



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talking of D500 would it be wrong to install a dual carb setup on a car that was a single 4 barrel originaly, reason is i have this setup but in 2 minds whether or not to install it,the only thing i have not got is the right hand exhaust manifold?

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d500neil
Posted 2012-03-07 12:25 PM (#311141 - in reply to #311134)
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It's your decision; technically, the 58-59 dual carb models have unique passenger's side exhaust manifolds which have cast-in heat-riser tube bosses
on them, so, that is one thing that most clones don't have on them.

And, the P/T plates confirm whether a car is a real/Super D500 or not.




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Joe Mac
Posted 2012-03-11 10:56 PM (#311745 - in reply to #144239)
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I don''t think its wrong. My Regal isn't even a D500 and if I ever locate all the pieces to install the dual quad I'm going for it. Not because I want to misrepresent the car but because I think it looks so darn good when you raise the hood (bonnet). Here's a shot of the port side of the Super D500 pass side manifold. the heat riser tube passes right through in front of the exhaust port. I've heard that a standard manifold can be modified with a welded on boss drilled to accept the tube, but I've never seen one done. If anyone out there has done this, please chime in. The genuine manifolds are very rare and pricey.



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moparsteve
Posted 2012-03-13 5:31 PM (#311951 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer and a 60 polara d500 conv too!!!!


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-04-02 6:28 PM (#315055 - in reply to #311951)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer and a 60 polara d500 conv too!!!!



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I think Mopar Doc's Regal has been for sale for a while now. It looks nice.

As far as converting a Regal from a Ram Fire or a D-500 to a Golden Commando 350 or a Super?
It is all up to what the owner enjoys. The data tag and engine stamps tell all anyway.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-04-24 11:41 PM (#318285 - in reply to #315055)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer and a 60 polara d500 conv too!!!!



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I ran across these really cool photos of Nick Nichols Regal by Jay Wollenweber at

http://californiastreets.blogspot.com/2010/07/san-francisco-street-sighting-1958.html





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-04-24 11:56 PM (#318287 - in reply to #318285)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer and a 60 polara d500 conv too!!!!



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Nick, if you are still watching this thread, you should call up the Wollenweber fellow and buy some prints! You could hang any one of these in the living room! That guy knows how to take a photograph!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-05-04 5:04 PM (#319635 - in reply to #318285)
Subject: RE: More Regal Pictures



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Geez! No comments on those cool Wollenweber photos? Well, I did receive this photograph earlier this week. I think Neil has an older photograph of this car. I sent a bit of correspondence to the owner and he sent me this photo. I tried to get him to join the thread, but I don't think he is into computers. It is fun to see all three colors on one car.



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d500neil
Posted 2012-05-04 5:10 PM (#319639 - in reply to #144239)
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These are undated, but probably are from the late 80's/early 90's.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-05-04 6:34 PM (#319653 - in reply to #319635)
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Neil, do you know if this car has the '57 trim to separate the black fin from the white trunk - or did they just tape it off and let it happen?
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Posted 2012-05-04 6:54 PM (#319654 - in reply to #319653)
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Good question----looks like a simple mask-off, there; fairly clear image in the 2nd photo.

That front-of-fin trim ornament must be different, in 1958, from 1957, since the 57 version
would have a tab on it for the insertion of the thin, inboard, stainless steel fin molding (which
tab the 58 would not need to have on it, since the 58 does not have that inboard molding on
it).








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Posted 2012-05-04 8:24 PM (#319672 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer



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Neil,

the mouldings will interchange 58 model has a short trim that goes to rear window, to break up the 2 tone on the rear, 57 moulding does have a extra locating pin but can be broken of to use on a 58,

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Posted 2012-05-04 10:45 PM (#319707 - in reply to #144239)
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I just scanned thru 9 thread pages, and the only pic I could find that shows the inboard shortie-molding is this one.

It would also be used on the 'Deluxe' 2-tone models (where the roof, fins & deck lid got the second color), but I wonder if
this guy was used on the single color, or the Saddle 2-tone schemes, where this molding would not be needed???
can someone post up a couple good views of this molding, and how it connects the fin area to the back glass area?







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Posted 2012-05-05 12:10 PM (#319751 - in reply to #319707)
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I just scanned thru 9 thread pages, and the only pic I could find that shows the inboard shortie-molding is this one.

It would also be used on the 'Deluxe' 2-tone models (where the roof, fins & deck lid got the second color), but I wonder if
this guy was used on the single color, or the Saddle 2-tone schemes, where this molding would not be needed???
can someone post up a couple good views of this molding, and how it connects the fin area to the back glass area?



They all had one. My convt has one a bit shorter there.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-05-05 10:46 PM (#319821 - in reply to #319751)
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Yep, I agree - that shortie was universal on the '58 Dodge, with variants for the different body styles.
It just ends at the stainless bottom-of-rear-window molding.
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Posted 2012-06-20 8:59 AM (#326309 - in reply to #144239)
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Does anyone know if the bronze dash inserts made it into production, i have just taken apart the dash and the where the inserts have been covered with the chrome surround and also the glove box latch, the aluminium trim is bronze colour?



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Posted 2012-06-20 9:08 PM (#326409 - in reply to #144239)
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Paul,
As far as I know the anodizing was silver and there was a light bronze or copper color in the dimples. The same coloring was done in the valleys in the center of the chrome horn ring. If you clean it gently it might come back to life. I was too aggressive and rubbed it off. Now I have to figure out how to restore it. Spray on color and wipe off?
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Posted 2012-06-21 12:54 AM (#326443 - in reply to #326409)
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Mike, what do you mean by "variants" in that shortie molding?

There were different types/styles of the shortie moldings????



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Posted 2012-06-21 8:18 AM (#326468 - in reply to #144239)
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Joe,

mine looks the other way round, bronze with silver dimples? i started to clean it off too thinking it was tarnished.

Paul



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Posted 2012-06-21 9:39 PM (#326567 - in reply to #144239)
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I think that the bronze-with-silver-dimples would be very rare; Paul, I forget---is your car an early-production Regal?



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Posted 2012-06-22 6:11 AM (#326602 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2012-06-25 10:30 PM (#327149 - in reply to #144239)
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Very interesting Paul. I've never seen a dash insert done that way. Surely the color under the chrome trim surround indicates it was born with that color. Your build date is slightly over a month into production so I don't think the build date affects this feature. I've seen earlier and later that are only silver. Maybe the original buyer insisted that the dash match the brochure? Special order?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-08-17 1:23 PM (#334998 - in reply to #327149)
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Fantastic, Paul:

Whatever finish they used on the aluminum must have been very delicate.
If every Regal had it, a rag and cleaner must have taken it right off!
It is rarely seen on any restored Regals today!
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Posted 2012-08-17 1:28 PM (#334999 - in reply to #326443)
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d500neil - 2012-06-20 10:54 PM

Mike, what do you mean by "variants" in that shortie molding?

There were different types/styles of the shortie moldings????


"variants" in length. 2 door Lancers with shorties, 4-door Lancers with a shortie to get to the end of the door and a micro mini for the remainder, etc.
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Posted 2012-09-07 1:54 PM (#337905 - in reply to #334999)
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Since the Chrysler 300 Nationals will be in Golden, Colorado this month, I was thumbing through some of the pictorals from previous meets and found this image, which confirms a earlier photo as a Regal. This is the only one I have ever seen with the Spring Special fin caps and escutcheon, which is a good looking combo for any 1958 Dodge!



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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-07 3:47 PM (#337915 - in reply to #337905)
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You're forgetting about that SoCal Regal, that has the end-of-fin-caps on it.

That car has every Regal option except for Super D500 and the Bumper Group of options (it does not have the front
or rear bumper guards on it).

Gotta go check to see if it has the S.-S. trunk Escutcheon on it, or not.

...Nope; it, also, does not have the "License Plate Insert panel", as was included in the Bumper Appearance Group
of options.

So, it has none of the individually-available items which are otherwise included in the Bumper Appearance Group.

It would be very interesting to see the P/T plate (or the other usual doc's) on that Bronze/Black Regal!






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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-07 4:15 PM (#337916 - in reply to #144239)
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Going back up a couple postings, it certainly looks like Paul's dash inserts received some sort of Bronze
paint-like finishing, around its perimeter.

Looking at the 'bronze' paint effect, it looks like the dash insert may have been masked-off, to prevent
that Bronze from getting onto its main body.

Note the faded over-spray on the side of it, and the sharp/heavy masking-tape outline on its lower
area.

The over-spray is the most compelling evidence that the entire surface had not been OEM painted in Bronze;
there is no sign that the Bronze has been worn away, or otherwise removed from the body of the insert(s).

So, it appears that the inserts may have been masked off, but, the question becomes: WHY were/did they
have to be masked off?

The only(?) logical reason for their having been masked off was due to the inserts having been installed
into the dash, when it was painted----but, what about the bezels? The bezels would have had to have been
installed after the dash was painted.

Why would it have been necessary to "pre-install" the Standard-1958-Model inserts when the dash was painted?

One answer might be that their installation was some kind of assembly-procedural mistake, but, somebody went
to the trouble to PARTIALLY mask it/them off, rather than to remove one/both of them, right before the dash
was painted?

PAUL: is/are the areas of the dash, behind-where the inserts are installed, painted, or not?

If those areas are painted Bronze, then the inserts would have been masked off (and over-sprayed!),
separately from the dash----and, the mystery continues.

On Page-6 of this thread is a factory listing of all of the unique Regal Lancer parts; the dash inserts (in "Bronze")
are NOT included in the listing, so, as far as production models are concerned, the Regals got the standard
1958 Dodge 'silver' anodized dash inserts on them.














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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-09-07 4:28 PM (#337917 - in reply to #154864)
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Interesting! The only images of the rear end of Aivar's car I have seen are those Gary shot in his video.
As I remember, Aivar's car was one of the initial Regals produced - for the "show car" circuit - sometime in January?
I am not sure when the first Spring Specials were produced, but it must have been shortly thereafter.

I wonder if Joe has this "Newport" Regal in his registery?

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-09-07 4:36 PM (#337918 - in reply to #154864)
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Aivar's Regal has the front bumper guards, but not the rear. (?) Check out the film on page 3, about 3/4 of the way down the page.

No escutcheon either.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-07 4:36 PM (#337919 - in reply to #144239)
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Paul's car was built o.o.a. 2/1/58

Aivar's (since you mentioned his name) car was built o.o.a. 3/19/58.

Not early production.

Somewhere on these pages should be a reference as to when the Regal Lancer production was begun.




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Posted 2012-09-07 4:51 PM (#337920 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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OK; this is from Page-5 of this thread:


BUMMERLY, I could not find the official Regal Lancer release-date in them; even the R.L. PRESS KIT that I have
does not mention any Release Date.

A clue, however, will be the photo caption that says : "...This Custom Royal (not correctly identified, even,
in-house !) has been on display in the Utica NY railroad station since the first of the year. ..."

Another Release-Date clue is found on the Regal Lancer "Announcement" fold-out brochure, which has
an issue date of 1/58.

It, and the other Regals appearing in the Dodge Reporter, are the gold-body, with white trim----apparently
this scheme may have been the preferred scheme (or not; maybe they just happened to be on-hand, then,
or, they were the first colors produced).

Unfortunately, there is no mention of any display of a Regal Lancer in the Florida area, in the Dodge Reporters.

But, their introduction appears to have been on or around 1/1/58 .

Another interesting factoid, from the Press Kit, is that "officially" (when the Press Kit's information was
being printed-up), the Fuel Injection D500 engine may still have been technically available, or else, the
factory just wanted to add on a few more words, about the optional performance engines.

If you'll recall, at least one 1960 4-speed 300 was built, due to the factory's advertising that it WAS
available, and the unhappy prospective buyer threatened to sue, if he was not permitted to BUY one !!


Too bad such a dedicated Fuelie-loving 58 Dodge owner didn't exist.






Edited by d500neil 2012-09-07 4:52 PM
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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-09-07 5:22 PM (#337925 - in reply to #337916)
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d500neil - 2012-09-07 9:15 PM

Going back up a couple postings, it certainly looks like Paul's dash inserts received some sort of Bronze
paint-like finishing, around its perimeter.

Looking at the 'bronze' paint effect, it looks like the dash insert may have been masked-off, to prevent
that Bronze from getting onto its main body.

Note the faded over-spray on the side of it, and the sharp/heavy masking-tape outline on its lower
area.

The over-spray is the most compelling evidence that the entire surface had not been OEM painted in Bronze;
there is no sign that the Bronze has been worn away, or otherwise removed from the body of the insert(s).

So, it appears that the inserts may have been masked off, but, the question becomes: WHY were/did they
have to be masked off?

The only(?) logical reason for their having been masked off was due to the inserts having been installed
into the dash, when it was painted----but, what about the bezels? The bezels would have had to have been
installed after the dash was painted.

Why would it have been necessary to "pre-install" the Standard-1958-Model inserts when the dash was painted?

One answer might be that their installation was some kind of assembly-procedural mistake, but, somebody went
to the trouble to PARTIALLY mask it/them off, rather than to remove one/both of them, right before the dash
was painted?

PAUL: is/are the areas of the dash, behind-where the inserts are installed, painted, or not?

If those areas are painted Bronze, then the inserts would have been masked off (and over-sprayed!),
separately from the dash----and, the mystery continues.

On Page-6 of this thread is a factory listing of all of the unique Regal Lancer parts; the dash inserts (in "Bronze")
are NOT included in the listing, so, as far as production models are concerned, the Regals got the standard
1958 Dodge 'silver' anodized dash inserts on them.














Neil,

the full dash is painted , when i first removed the insert the gold colour was all the way around it does look like a masked line but that is just where the chrome finisher covers the insert i started to clean it off at first thinking it was tarnished, that now makes it look like overspray as it fades in places, also when i removed the lock from the glovebox there was gold colour under it, it looks to be painted rather than plated, possible it came off easy and owners polished the rest off down to the silver?

i will try to get some better pictures without flash

Paul.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-07 5:58 PM (#337928 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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If the inserts were polished-out, there should be some residual dried-out polish material lying around the edge(s) of the
bronze paint....like a sort of over-spay effect.

Do you still have that Bronze painted area, beneath/behind the glove box lock, that you can show us?

That hidden/covered-up painted area pretty well proves that that insert was painted.

No polishing agent residue anywhere around the border of the remaining bronze paint?



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Joe Mac
Posted 2012-09-14 10:09 PM (#338875 - in reply to #144239)
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The "Newport" Regal Lancer is/was Greg Leggatt's car. I remember him saying that he ad-libbed a bit during the restoration to build the car to his own taste. Not all of what you see is original. I wanted to get full info on it from Greg but it didn't happen so I can't say what's on the data plate. He brought it to that 300 club meet because in his own words "The Regal Lancer is every bit as special as a 300". I heard that Greg sold this car but I'm not sure about that.

As far as rear fin inserts they're common on Regal lancers (my car has them). The license plate escutcheon is not as common (not on my car) and neither are the bumper spuds/guards (got those).

Regal Lancer intro was around the date of the Chicago Auto Show in early January '58 as recorded in this or an another RL thread. Earliest schedule date I've seen is 12/27/57, latest is 6/1/58. It does seem that the initial run was the XSX (white/copper poly/white) colors as all newspaper photos show this one combo. I wonder if this was done because the marketing guys thought it would look good in black and white print or if that's what the paint shop was set up for?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-09-18 5:42 PM (#339389 - in reply to #338875)
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Good information, Joe. Have you seen Edward Petrus' 1957 De Soto registry?
I know you are working on a Regal Registry and if it is in a form like Petrus' (non-specific, by state), perhaps you could post it here?
Last time I checked in, you had about 25 cars registered...
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d500neil
Posted 2012-09-18 7:38 PM (#339404 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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The Spring Special trim, obviously, was not included referenced or shown in the Regal Lancer's introductory literature.

I forget when the S.-S. trim was introduced, but it would be interesting to compare that date with the Regals which are
sporting the end-of-fin trim and/or the decklid Escutcheon.

A car's IBM card would confirm whether any S.-S. trim was OEM-installed on that car.

I probably have a Registration Form completed on Greg's car, but neither it, nor the P/T plate, will confirm the installation
of any/all of the S.-S. trim on a car....altho the PNT and/or TRM codes will confirm whether a certain car had the 'special'
S.-S. colors and interior motifs.




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Posted 2012-10-07 6:13 PM (#342140 - in reply to #339404)
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I've read this entire thread with great interest. Have virtually nothing to add, but do have some questions. Were the RLs batch run at all?

This is mixing apples and oranges, but I do know that when Windsor Assembly built Monaco convertibles for the 1966 model year for Canada, the cars were serialized as the orders were received, but the cars were all batch built in the spring of 1966 which goes a long way towards explaining how the sequence numbers could be all over the map, but the SO numbers were either the same or similar. Is it possible that something similar happened with the RLs?

Grille emblems: Black versus coral etc. Were the RLs all "supposed" to have a coral emblem and those with a black emblem are just mis-builds? I've talked to a number of people over the years about cars built at Hamtramck, and the consensus was that mis-builds were more the order of the day than the exception.

Several other tidbits from this thread have created questions in my mind, but given that I'm a new kid on the block here, I don't want to start off by diving into the deep end.

Thanks,

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-10-07 8:31 PM (#342152 - in reply to #342140)
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Just from seeing the surviving examples, I don't think there is a rhyme or reason behind the incidence of black and coral shields.

Joe Mac might have some insights about the sequencing question.
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