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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-07 2:10 AM (#350040 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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Ya know; mine might just be a prototype; I got it at a WPC national meet, in the 80's.

Its back side definitely looks hand-worked, and you can see where its (never installed) mounting pins were hand-brazed onto its
backside.

And, the Regals did come out before the Spring Specials.....wow.

Recall that these emblems were installed two-per on the 1957 Custom Royal sedans and on the Custom
Sierra wagons.

They were on the decklids of some wagons, too, IIRC, as well as on the sides of some 58 cars, and, oh
yeah, on the Regal Lancers; not rare pieces, necessarily.









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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-12-09 1:08 PM (#350374 - in reply to #349970)
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Lancer Mike - 2012-12-06 10:49 PM

Here is an eBay auction for a shield emblem - it is the correct part number, but you can see on the image it has barrel clips on the back.  So is this Regal emblem exactly the same as the garden-variety '57 and '58 fender badge?  It seems like the drilled grille to fit it would be the rarer item.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160933269858?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

1958 DODGE CUSTOM ROYAL REGAL LANCER GRILLE ORNAMENT NEW!!!  MAY FIT OTHER YEARS  and I'm offering free shipping to 48 and will ship anywhere for a little extra

 


On Dec-02-12 at 16:49:55 PST, seller added the following information:

 

PART NUMBER 1757189

 



Damm missed end of auction, did anyone buy it?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-12-10 11:13 AM (#350513 - in reply to #350374)
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Sold for $102.50 - it looks like a really nice emblem, but I'm sure another will come along. I need to get used to the new prices for parts!
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-10 6:07 PM (#350586 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok...slow news day.

Back on Pg. 6 of this thread, the Regal Lancer parts list states that the Regal has a unique horn ring, # 1828 895

Here it is...how is this guy different from the regular power-steering horn ring, on a CRL???


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-12-10 6:50 PM (#350592 - in reply to #350586)
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I see exactly no difference!

Same as on any 1958 Dodge passenger car equipped with power steering: Coronet, Royal, Custom Royal, Suburban, Sierra, or Custom Sierra.

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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-12-10 7:27 PM (#350599 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok this adds to my theory about the dash insets, the vertical lines on the Regal horn ring have copper paint in the inserts, and either polishes away or fades,

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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-12-10 7:29 PM (#350601 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok so not so good to see so i pulled of the sheild, you can see the copper behind the sheild??????????

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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-10 7:40 PM (#350605 - in reply to #144239)
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...I THOUGHT that I had one of these guys, too.

My P/N is 1698 916, which is for the glove box ("without Lance ornament")

I always thought that this guy was for the horn ring.

Those horn ring holes are the same shape & size as for the 57's horn ring.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-12-10 7:47 PM (#350606 - in reply to #144239)
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Horn ring sheild is 1828 897, there must be 2 types for glove box as the one with the lance has notches in the side to go over the lance.
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-10 7:51 PM (#350607 - in reply to #144239)
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Yeah, my emblem is for the sedans (non-"Lancer"-hardtops).

The Lancer models all have 'lances' on them.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-12-12 5:14 PM (#350968 - in reply to #350607)
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Boy-oh-boy! That copper-wash paint must have come off pretty easily! All the horn rings and dash inserts you see on original examples are nearly bare - restored cars seem to have gone with the flow and skipped the color!
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-12 5:21 PM (#350971 - in reply to #350968)
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Paul, what is the P/N on your horn ring?

Mike (anyone?), do you have a spare 58 Horn ring, to check its P/N ?



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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-12-12 7:05 PM (#350989 - in reply to #350971)
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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-12 9:23 PM (#351001 - in reply to #144239)
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BINGO----Mike/anyone have the regular horn ring?






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Posted 2013-01-11 2:11 PM (#354792 - in reply to #144239)
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NOS grill badge

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Dodge-NOS-MOPAR-Custom-Royal-Lancer-D-...



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-01-19 11:46 PM (#355911 - in reply to #354792)
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Did you buy it Paul? I had my eye on it, but I already have one and figured that's enough. The price is nice, though.
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Posted 2013-02-07 7:22 PM (#358917 - in reply to #144239)
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d500neil
Posted 2013-02-08 12:55 AM (#358968 - in reply to #144239)
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The write-up says that this "Royal Lancer" belongs to Randy Guyer.

Isn't this car (with its backwards-installed shield emblems) X-Ruffalo's?




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christine-lover
Posted 2013-02-08 5:14 AM (#358986 - in reply to #144239)
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Sure looks like it Neil. Though I've noticed those shield emblems facing the wrong direction on many Lancers.
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Posted 2013-02-12 8:52 PM (#359734 - in reply to #358968)
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Yes Neil, Randy's Regal Lancer is the ex-Ruffalo car, aka the Barrett Jackson RL, also the magazine cover car. This is no doubt the most widely known and shown Regal Lancer.

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Posted 2013-02-15 9:57 PM (#360206 - in reply to #351001)
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d500neil - 2012-12-12 9:23 PM BINGO----Mike/anyone have the regular horn ring?

Here's the two types of horn rings which share the same casting (part also?) number. The copper color was also applied to the Power Sterring script on the Regal Lancer. The other horn ring looks like argent silver was applied. The difference in color is subtle but obvious side-by side. The original paint is very weak. I used a soft brush to clean the grooves and still lost some paint. Eventually I'll repaint it. PITA masking job. Yes, I did pick up "plain" horn ring for $10 at a swap meet years ago.





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christine-lover
Posted 2013-07-31 9:26 PM (#388756 - in reply to #144239)
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The car that started this thread, again on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/regal-lancer-/111133035908?redirect=...
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Posted 2013-07-31 10:11 PM (#388764 - in reply to #358986)
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christine-lover - 2013-02-08 2:14 AM Sure looks like it Neil. Though I've noticed those shield emblems facing the wrong direction on many Lancers.

 

In my limited experiance on my Pontiac restoration I discovered that none of the emblems, shields, dodads could be installed "wrong" because the factory had made sure that the mounting holes for each one would be such that it was simply imppossible to put the left piece on the right side, etc.  Is that not the case on these cars?  Were the left and right literally interchangable as far as the location of the mounting holes or are these mistakes due to people putting new metal in without the holes and then putting the wrong holes on the wrong side so to speak?

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christine-lover
Posted 2013-07-31 10:31 PM (#388769 - in reply to #388764)
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As for the Lancer shield, it can go on either side.
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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-01 2:13 AM (#388783 - in reply to #388769)
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Yeah, and the Lance emblem can be installed 'facing' forward or backwards.


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Posted 2013-08-03 3:02 PM (#389293 - in reply to #144239)
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Frostbite this time around sold buy it now, $14,500.
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d500neil
Posted 2013-08-03 7:19 PM (#389346 - in reply to #389293)
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Wonder if the buyer knows what he's got (potentially)?

Doesn't make (dollars or-) sense to restore an amateur customization.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-08-13 8:55 PM (#391112 - in reply to #389346)
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they removed the little chain steering wheel! sacrilege!



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Posted 2013-08-13 11:07 PM (#391137 - in reply to #391112)
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I can't believe anyone would pay 14-15K for that frostbite car needing all the work it needs with the added value of a rod knock. For a few thousand more you could have a nicer more original car without the cushy blue velvet seats!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-08-14 9:09 PM (#391317 - in reply to #391137)
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The first time I saw the Frostbite, I was turned off too. But it grew on me! I think the buyer found a great deal at $14,500 on a very rare car. If I owned it, I would leave the interior just as it is - velvet lazy-boys and all. I would even replace the (very nice) original steering wheel with the little chain wheel. Drive it and have fun.

Cars are nothing without humanity. This car has a pretty cool "human" history to it.

It also reminds me of a coin collection I once heard about: "the worst of the best" - a fella collected all the CC Morgan Dollar years in the worst possible condition he could find them in, allowing for each to be still recognizable for date and mint mark. Several lucky folks have full sets of CC Morgans and fully restored or over-restored Regal Lancers.

This here is probably The Only Krazy Kustom Regal!
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Posted 2013-09-10 8:46 PM (#396883 - in reply to #391317)
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I suppose some of you were wondering when I would wake up! I just bought this IPad, joined this forum and am trying to learn how to work both.
Neil's pics 28&29 are both my car. I can't explain the rear antenna. I didn't take that pic. Pics 30 & 31 are of a car in a WI yard ( many years ago ) .The only info I bothered to get was the sch build date was 0110 (early car). Pt code
5 XSX.
My car coded for TF, radio group, convenience group, solex ws only and undercoat. That's ALL! No ps or PB. Sch build date 0318 and pt 5ASA. Aivars car is sch the next day yet there are almost 1000 vins between them!
Those pics of my car don't look all that bad but the entire drivetrain, the frame and all suspensions were all rusty junk as well as all floors. Without the original engine block and the frame I didn't have a numbers matching car so I was, at least in my opinion, free to restore it just like I wanted so I loaded it up with every factory option I could find. After parting out dozens of cars and rebuilding all these options for close to 20 years I got it done. It's a fabulous driving car and I put 8000 miles on it in 3 seasons! Mike's photo of the car was taken on it's maiden voyage to RI.

I'll try to get photos to post when I learn how.
Great thread, well done guys!

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Posted 2013-09-10 9:06 PM (#396889 - in reply to #396883)
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Amazing!! That actually worked!!

For the headliner I cut .040" aluminum the exact size for each panel. I used ordinary everyday fabric/foam and glued it to the alum with the out and spray painted the foam with a copper/bronze latex. To make up the thickness difference I put 3/16" X 3/8" adhesive weatherstrip on each side of each bow. My panels were much thinner than the original hardboard. I just used the cream coloured bow covers with the chromed regal end caps. It looks fine!

My padded sun visors with the silver Mylar bands were not good enough so Gary made me two using the bronze vinyl.

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d500neil
Posted 2013-09-15 8:03 PM (#397851 - in reply to #144239)
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Here they (you) are!

These photos (from Page-3 of this thread) were given to me by Greg Leggatt, of Napanee, ONT, a long time ago.

Looks like tinted glass, too; just W/S, huh?




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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-15 8:11 PM (#397853 - in reply to #396889)
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Awesome, Greg: good to see your post. I would like to see some pictures of the headliner - sounds like an innovative solution.
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Posted 2013-09-15 8:25 PM (#397860 - in reply to #144239)
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Greg, is your car's grille emblem 'coral' colored?


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Posted 2013-09-15 8:38 PM (#397866 - in reply to #397860)
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Neil,
What you see is just rust dripping down!!

My medallion was chrome and black that had a steel plate sort of crimped on the back and the steel plate had the prongs, through the grill, secured by another plate with speed nuts. I think Paul described his that same way.

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Posted 2013-09-15 8:42 PM (#397871 - in reply to #397853)
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Hi Mike,

I'm having trouble with pics here and with regular email. Neil is trying to help me.

In my opinion I think you guys nailed down most regal details I can think of.

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Posted 2013-09-18 3:44 PM (#398397 - in reply to #145237)
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Greg and Susan sent me these pictures of their outstanding Regal to post here (thank you). Besides for Neil's photos of Greg's unrestored car, there is one more photo of this car in its restored condition all the way back on page one, near the bottom. Pictures one through five did not come through, so those may be on the way.



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Posted 2013-09-18 3:49 PM (#398398 - in reply to #398397)
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Greg can tell more about his own car, but from what I see:

D-500
Bumper appearance group
fin-end caps
rear license insert and eschutcheon
padded dash
electric lift windows
air conditioning
dual rear antennae
rear defogger
two rear speakers

they have this done to the nines and one of the best trunk mats I have seen!
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Posted 2013-09-18 3:50 PM (#398399 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike, that is gorgeous and a well loaded car. Thanks for posting.
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Posted 2013-09-18 4:41 PM (#398407 - in reply to #398399)
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Thanks Mike,

I took these pics yesterday but the restoration was finished 12 years ago.The headliner stood up very well- much more durable than I thought it would be. The car shows a little wear and tear.

It needs some corrections like steering wheel, handbrake handle and wind lace and the trunk is a little "dressed-up".

The engine is a 58 CDN Custom Royal 354 with a 2650 AFB carb. The same set-up as a 58 Saratoga. Sure grip 3.15 axle and H.D "export" ( Fury) T-bars 956/7. These bars really help the ride with the heavy engine and factory A/C.

As I said earlier, the car was close to being non-restorable so I brought it back to life and had fun doing it!

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Posted 2013-09-18 4:49 PM (#398410 - in reply to #398407)
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Greg, thanks for sharing these. What is the story with the little patch panel on the topside of the steering column?
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Posted 2013-09-18 5:14 PM (#398415 - in reply to #398410)
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Mike, that's the auto-pilot control. I tried to get a photo of it but the iPad wouldn't do it!

It has solex glass all around, 40amp generator, 6way elec seat, under hood light and a dealer under dash courtesy light package.
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Posted 2013-09-18 7:52 PM (#398440 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok that's your car Greg, that's awesome!!! Very nice!
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Posted 2013-09-18 8:37 PM (#398441 - in reply to #398440)
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The 956/957 torsion bars are Nuke-proof; the 952/953 bars (which were standard on the Furys and Coronets/Royals,
but optional on the Custom Royal series) should be plenty strong, even with the 354 Poly head engine.

if you put 2-way gas shocks on it, the front end will be very stiff, alright; you should consider beefing up the rear end to match it,
by installing another leaf spring (second shortest), and, maybe a full-length shortest-leaf, too.

Big M should be able to break-apart a station wagon's leaf springs to provide/sell these guys to you.

He also should have a 1958 parking brake, to sell to you.




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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-18 9:32 PM (#398454 - in reply to #398441)
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auto-pilot! holy moly! absolutely fantastic. Polara Paul recently purchased a 1958 Dodge with the factory auto-pilot right on the speedometer display - I can't recall ever seeing another.
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Posted 2013-09-18 10:32 PM (#398467 - in reply to #398454)
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I had the 952/3 bars in it. If it had a sway bar that would have helped a lot. The 58 frames were not even lanced to accurately position brackets for a sway bar, otherwise, I would have installed one! Gas shocks is a good idea.

In the rear I have a pair of excellent Monroe shocks with exterior coil springs over them. Not those horrible aftermarket things. These springs are built right into each shock. It will carry a lot of weight in the trunk just fine. I'll save the best for last ---- the shocks are dated Dec. 57!!

Yeah, I couldn't believe I didn't save a 58 handle .

The autopilot is fantastic, you can drive the car with it-- sort of like hand controls.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-19 12:23 PM (#398566 - in reply to #398467)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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a few more pictures from Greg:



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-09-19 3:33 PM (#398605 - in reply to #398566)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer


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Thanks for posting them Mike.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-09-19 3:45 PM (#398608 - in reply to #398605)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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My pleasure, Greg - you have a truly outstanding example of a rare and wonderful car. I meant to ask: what is the story with the black box in the trunk?
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