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Posted 2013-09-19 4:37 PM (#398613 - in reply to #398608)
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Thats a lovely car but what engine is that in there? Given the D500 badge on the trunk and it being a '58 it should be a 361, right? The distributor is in the back so it can't be a B series engine. What is it?
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d500neil
Posted 2013-09-19 5:54 PM (#398620 - in reply to #398613)
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354 Poly head.

Greg, if your car was/is an OEM D500, can you send me its Paint/Trim data plate (or, do I already have it..lol)?

What happened to its OEM engine?

It's probably WAY too late for it, now, but the headliner bows were chromed, IIRC.








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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-09-19 7:08 PM (#398639 - in reply to #398620)
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That is not the original engine. As Neil said, it is a 58 CDN Dodge engine. The original engine had been left open(intake off) in the yard for years. I scrapped it. It was not an original D500.car.

Neil, I'm sure I sent you our registration form. it was dated Nov 15, 1991! VIN. LD3 23578. I can't send you the data plate --- I don't know how!

I said the bows were chrome on the form.

Mike, I built this car to drive 1000 miles to 5or6 day 300club meets. So, with a weeks clothes, lawn chairs, coolers and cleaning supplies where do the emergency fluids, parts and special tools & stuff go? In that box. I made it to fit over the jack shaft and kinda lock in place because it was so heavy. It used up space not much good for anything else.
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d500neil
Posted 2013-09-19 10:07 PM (#398662 - in reply to #398639)
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Holy Exner; I didn't realize it was YOU, Greg!

Greg & I worked together to break the 57-58 Dodge codes.

Greg does some SERIOUS Mopar restoration work.

Whatever became of your 58 white/coral(?) Coro hardtop, and your 2-tone green HT?

I hope you remain a regular contributor here!



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Posted 2013-09-19 10:29 PM (#398668 - in reply to #398662)
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Yeah,Neil,it's me.A voice from the past and a lot older! If I crawled under a car today I wouldn't be able to see what I was looking at and I wouldn't be able to get back out! It's a real shame.

I'll send a PM

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Joe Mac
Posted 2013-09-20 1:21 PM (#398757 - in reply to #144239)
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Beautiful car Greg! The a/c and autopilot make for a very busy engine bay. Nicely done. Your RL is one that I've been seeking info on; thanks for the pictures. What carb does that 354 run?
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Posted 2013-09-20 3:59 PM (#398778 - in reply to #398757)
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Hi Joe,
It has a 2650 S, AFB. It stumbles a little at idle but it is a very strong running car.

Wayne (Spanky) Cox has a black one. He had a white one but sold it to a friend. I know Brian Huard has another one.

I included more info earlier in the thread.

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Posted 2013-09-21 1:17 PM (#398911 - in reply to #144239)
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BTW, I have photos of a bronze over white RL that Mopar Mel had in his yard when I visited him in the very early 90s.

No info, just photos.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-21 6:47 PM (#398964 - in reply to #144239)
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Greg, where are the controls for the auto pilot?
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Posted 2013-09-21 7:18 PM (#398969 - in reply to #144239)
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Hi Matt,
On the steering column. You'll see an overlay sort of patch on the column in one of my pics. That is the bezel for the control- it's quite big, you need quite a hole in the column to accommodate the right angle gear.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-21 7:50 PM (#398971 - in reply to #398969)
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I saw that but I don't see a control, looks like a plain patch.
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Posted 2013-09-21 9:01 PM (#398981 - in reply to #144239)
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The control projects to the right. I couldn't get a good pic with the iPad. I think it's the same as a 58/9 Chrysler. I don't have a camera any more but I could try some artificial light if you really want.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-21 10:05 PM (#398992 - in reply to #144239)
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I've never seen the controls for this, never noticed it in a Chrysler. If you can get a photo sometime of it that would be great. Was it available on 1958 Dodges?

On another note, here's speed warning in a 58 Dodge. This seems to be a late in the model year accessory, probably to compete with 1958 Edsel's speed warning that glowed the speedometer red.



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d500neil
Posted 2013-09-22 2:05 AM (#399018 - in reply to #398992)
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Note the wear on the power brake pedal; a lot of City driving under the wheels of this car.

The 59 Dodges (and the other Mopes?) had speedometers that had green/yellow/red segments on their drums to
warn a driver that he was enjoying his car.


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Posted 2013-09-22 9:27 AM (#399041 - in reply to #144239)
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Matt, Thanks for that photo. I've never seen one in a car. OK, I found my autopilot in a junked Dodge but was in poor shape with parts missing. Factory? I don't know but I presumed it was. There is no place I can see for one to be coded on the broadcast sheet but there isn't for the speed minder either. I will try to send a copy of a Dodge announcement for the speed minder.

I'm second guessing myself. I'm now thinking that 59 Chrysler control was on the dash and that the steering column one was 58 only. Anyway I needed 58 Chrysler parts to get my project done.

BTW, what is the significance of Sept 1958 on tour profile?
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-22 10:16 AM (#399054 - in reply to #399041)
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That must have been factory or dealer installed if it was in a junked Dodge. Last year there was a D at Hershey on the showfield with Autopilot, but I didn't take notice of the controls, perhaps it will be there in 3 weeks.

My profile photo now is a photo that was taken in Sept. 58, I bought the studio slide on eBay and that was the date written on it. It is an awesome SS convertible.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-09-22 3:22 PM (#399091 - in reply to #144239)
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Here is the announcement Greg sent me for speed warning for 1958 Dodge.

I would assume it uses the same indicator as the park brake warning.



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JT Vincent
Posted 2013-09-25 11:51 AM (#399640 - in reply to #144239)
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What a great car. I love this thread. The headliner-- I want to try this technique. Does one spray glue the foam onto the aluminum, and then spray glue the fabric onto the foam? And for the paint, is that just water-based spray paint, or some other latex paint through a paint-gun on the fabric?
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Posted 2013-09-25 1:18 PM (#399655 - in reply to #399640)
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The headliner material is the stuff available for today's cars. Fabric on one side and foam on the other. Glue the fabric to the aluminum and spray the foam. I just used spray cans! Do a few little test panels first.

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JT Vincent
Posted 2013-09-25 2:13 PM (#399666 - in reply to #144239)
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Thanks Greg! Did you use water-based spray paint? I bet the regular kind eats the foam. It looks great in the pics.
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Posted 2013-09-26 5:01 PM (#399863 - in reply to #399666)
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I,m pretty sure I did, Jon, but I can't be certain. it was a long time ago!

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Joe Mac
Posted 2013-09-27 12:37 PM (#399979 - in reply to #144239)
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I've seen a RL that had latex paint rolled on to the foam covered panels; looked perfect. Wish I had taken a picture.
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Posted 2013-09-27 1:40 PM (#399997 - in reply to #144239)
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I wonder if any of the Acousti-Foam headliners survived as a reference. Seems unlikely. In any case, I'm going to try Greg's technique this weekend. See how much of a mess I can make.
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Posted 2013-09-27 1:40 PM (#399998 - in reply to #399979)
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Here's a photo of the Auto Pilot Control in Greg's Regal Lancer. Very neat!

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Posted 2013-10-01 12:55 PM (#400800 - in reply to #144239)
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I saved some bits and peices of acouti-faom that I recovered from under the chrome header and side trim that was in relatively good condition. I kept them for future matching but haven't seen them in years. I'll dig them out and post some pictures if I can find them.
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Posted 2013-10-01 4:21 PM (#400835 - in reply to #400800)
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Some 1958 Coronets came with white accusti-foam headliners - they also had accusti-foam sun visors. I saved a few bits too. The hard board backing was the same as a Royal or Custom Royal hardtop (minus the never-ending loop pattern). The accousti-foam was about 1/16 inch thick and spongy. It was either sprayed on to the hard board or glued on.
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Posted 2013-10-01 4:48 PM (#400839 - in reply to #399997)
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JT Vincent - 2013-09-28 1:40 AM

I wonder if any of the Acousti-Foam headliners survived as a reference. Seems unlikely. In any case, I'm going to try Greg's technique this weekend. See how much of a mess I can make.


So how much of a mess did you make?

Would love to see the results

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Posted 2013-10-01 5:53 PM (#400847 - in reply to #144239)
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The 1960 Dodge hardtops came with an acoustic-foam headliner as well, with a cardboard surround around the perimeter on the sides and rear. There were chromed plastic divider bows separating three sections on the 1960 jobs. The foam was slightly ribbed in a greyish-brown color and I found that a ribbed corduroy material was an almost perfect match for the foam.

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d500neil
Posted 2013-10-05 7:37 PM (#401651 - in reply to #144239)
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Ian, do you have any pics available of that ribbed corduroy material???

How did you attach that stuff to a backing material?


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Posted 2013-10-05 8:06 PM (#401654 - in reply to #401651)
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d500neil - 2013-10-05 4:37 PM

Ian, do you have any pics available of that ribbed corduroy material???

How did you attach that stuff to a backing material?

Sorry, no pics of it. It was installed at a local upholstery shop, not on my ex-Polara but on a Matador 4 door Hardtop I owned for a while. The Polara has a similar material in a color that matches the original foam, but it's not ribbed like the foam was.
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Posted 2013-10-06 2:30 AM (#401684 - in reply to #401654)
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I think Ian is correct. I had a bunch of panel segments of the original foam as well and I do recall that there was some sort of corrugation to the overall panels. It was'nt smooth like my repro stuff.

Hey, Neil, does Ivar have photos of it? I flew to FL to check that car out before Ivar bought it and as I remember the headliner was pretty much intact.
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Posted 2013-10-06 3:22 AM (#401689 - in reply to #401684)
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I thought/think that its headliner is in bronze vinyl.

Aivar used to have a 61 Phoenix Dart stripper (like, with the 6-banger) in all-red; its license was 1961UFO; anyway, it
had an Accoustafoam headliner in it.

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Posted 2013-11-10 11:55 PM (#409790 - in reply to #401689)
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I've been thinking about the Regal headliners since our last posts. We know that the actual hardboard panels were sort of ribbed or corrugated. We know that the foam overtop was quite thin. So, I guess I am still wondering if the final foam surface was slightly "ribbed" or smooth! My original samples are gone--- I can't find them.
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Posted 2013-11-11 1:10 AM (#409800 - in reply to #409790)
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What I recall, from having examined a 1961 Dodge's Accoustafoam headliner, is that the headliner was definitely
textured; not smooth-like-vinyl, at all.

You may have sent me a small sample of it, along with some upholstery swatches. I'll go check for it.


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Posted 2013-12-26 11:39 PM (#418625 - in reply to #409800)
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Let me have another "go" at this. No question in my mind that I duplicated the GENERAL appearance of accustafoam with my headliner. But, I glued my foam onto a smooth surface. We all know that the OEM accustafoam was glued or applied to a hardboard panel that was NOT smooth. It was embossed with a pattern. Call it ridged, corduroy or waffled or whatever. My question is simply this. Did this ridged, corduroy or waffled underlying embossing SHOW through in the final appearance of this headliner. If, in fact it did, then my restoration attempt has to stand back. If it didn't, well guys, do it my way. I chose alum panels because they will never lose their "memory" and collapse like hardboard under any climatic condition.
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Posted 2013-12-28 2:40 PM (#418924 - in reply to #418625)
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As I mentioned somewhere in this thread previously, in my ex-60 Polara the accoustifoam was ribbed but the ribbing was actually molded into the foam itself. Here is a photo of another 60 Polara where the restorer obviously had the same idea for his headliner. The front bow on this one has come loose- it is chromed plastic and just clips in place to a steel rib on the underside of the roof. The blue sections around the perimeter of the headliner are molded hardboard. In my ex-Polara with a red and black interior, those sections were in a dark gray color, with the tan/brownish foam in between. As I mentioned above, my foam got replaced with a non textured velour material in the same color, but on a Matador I had owned at one point, the new owner had the headliner re-done with a ribbed corduroy material like in this photo.

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Posted 2014-01-02 9:24 PM (#419910 - in reply to #144239)
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Greg,

I think you did it right. I took my headliner boards out in 1980 and stored them. I just dug them out to see what we think is embossing really is. What I found is that there appears to be a linear glue pattern that was applied to a smooth cardboard surface. There is a raised pattern left where remnants of the foam are still adhered to the glue striping, but it's not embossed. I've also attached pictures from earlier in this thread that supports this. The advertising brochure (that is sometimes wrong but I this is accurate in this case) shows a smooth foam surface. The best evidence is the photo of the tattered Regal headliner that shows both the old surface and the glue pattern underneath. Note how smooth the front section looks. I'm going to try to duplicate that smooth look. I like your idea of using aluminum sheet.





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Posted 2014-01-02 11:25 PM (#419926 - in reply to #419910)
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Thanks Joe. That makes me feel better. I guess we all have pieces of foam that have fallen off, and, it doesn't have any sort of embossing to it. When I started seeing pics of the underlying panels with a definite "pattern" to it I started to second guess what I had done. It appears it might be just the chrome bows that are the hard part now!
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Posted 2014-01-02 11:57 PM (#419937 - in reply to #419910)
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I have another topic on my thought list. We all saw that copper/bronze colouring on the dash and glovebox aluminum inserts. I don't think it was thick enough to be paint. I think it was an anodizing colouring. I didn't pick up on the fact it was done on the horn ring. Thanks, guys for pointing it out! If, in fact, it was an anodizing colouring it would have been much more fragile applied to a chrome surface than an aluminum one. Regardless of what this colouring was, I think it would have been applied to the alum.sheets before they were stamped with their pattern. In which case, the bottoms of these "dots" would have been more silver than bronze. Just a thought.

I really don't think it is that much of a deal to have an anodizer do this. I'm sure they just use cheap food colouring!!

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Posted 2014-01-03 4:31 PM (#420041 - in reply to #144239)
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The hardest thing to reproduce are the headliner bows, they appear to be clear plastic with the chrome applied to the inside, but the headliner does appear to have a smooth finish to it, just wondering if the polyurethene material they put under laminate floors may be of similar texture?
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Posted 2014-01-03 5:16 PM (#420060 - in reply to #144239)
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Did anyone elses eyes play tricks with Joe Macs picture with all the squares?

As I scrolled down, I thought the picture was being enlarged

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Posted 2014-01-10 9:23 PM (#421450 - in reply to #144239)
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This postcard was recently posted, thought I'd post it here since it's rare to see one of the 1,163 Regals in an old photo.



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Posted 2014-01-10 9:39 PM (#421452 - in reply to #421450)
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Thanks, Matt - that is a great photograph/postcard. The postcard thread is so huge, I don't read it much. I should start.
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Posted 2014-01-11 3:25 PM (#421530 - in reply to #144239)
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The RL brochure shows bronze colored dash panel inserts, but, the official parts-listings for the RL's (see pages 2 and 6 of
this thread) do not list the 'bronze' dash insert panels as being installed on the RL's.

Any bronze colored insert panels would appear to be prototype pieces (yeah!) or owner add-ons.

(and, YEAH, Mick...that is quite the optical illusion, there...)







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Posted 2014-01-21 10:57 PM (#423317 - in reply to #144239)
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Over the weekend I was getting interior parts together for painting and on the back side of the windshield header molding I found remnants of the acoustifoam headliner pretty well preserved. The open cell sponge rubber is the base material. It appears to be painted with a beige kind of color. This old foam is so fragile it nearly disintegrates on contact. This part was taken off the car and wrapped in 1980 and stored indoors ever since.



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Posted 2014-01-22 1:07 AM (#423321 - in reply to #423317)
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So, there are FOUR substrates, or section-layers to Accousti-foam: the corrugated or waffled-texture base, two posterboard-
Masonite-like layers, and the sprayed-on texture coat.

At least, there is/are no painted-on design motifs, like we are faced with, on the regular solid-masonite headliners.



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Posted 2014-01-22 10:12 AM (#423349 - in reply to #144239)
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It's weird, all the varying headliner treatments Mopar/Dodge used on hardtop models, these Dodge foam ones, with chrome (stainless?) bows, my '58 FireSweep had molded fiberboard with holes and painted on? patterns, no foam, but with white plastic (and very fragile) bows, my '58 Windsor has vinyl/cloth soft material with holes, and chrome bows.. sedans had the soft material and NO visible bows... and all of these cars were built in the same Dodge (Lynch Road?) plant!

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Posted 2014-01-22 10:11 PM (#423523 - in reply to #423321)
Subject: Re: 1958 Regal Lancer



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d500neil - 2014-01-21 11:07 PM

So, there are FOUR substrates, or section-layers to Accousti-foam: the corrugated or waffled-texture base, two posterboard-
Masonite-like layers, and the sprayed-on texture coat.

At least, there is/are no painted-on design motifs, like we are faced with, on the regular solid-masonite headliners.





I think there are only two layers: the composite board and the foam. I don't know if that spongy foam was sprayed on or, it looks more likely glued on, which is why you see the waffled pattern. One of my old Coronets had an Accoustifoam headliner.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-23 2:22 AM (#423547 - in reply to #144239)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

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I count four-layers, including the foam-finish....



(Regal.jpg)



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-02-20 3:34 PM (#428180 - in reply to #423547)
Subject: RE: 1958 Regal Lancer



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Greg Leggatt recently sent me this photograph with the following note:

I just found this pic I took in 01. It belongs to ----- "Spanky" --- of Illinois. I think he had just finished the restoration. As far as I know he still has it.



Edited by Lancer Mike 2014-02-20 3:39 PM




(spanky's regal from Greg Leggatt reduced.jpg)



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