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Location: Parts Unknown | Ridge wall completed and ready for bracing.  (10 July 27 ridge wall done.JPG) Attachments ----------------  10 July 27 ridge wall done.JPG (165KB - 269 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | With the 2nd floor decked, it is pretty darned dark down at ground level ! The 1899 vintage transom windows I salvaged from the Consolidated Creamery were framed in and stuck in the holes last year, but left sheeted over. Decided it was time to open up the exterior and let what little light those dirty panes would allow in. Spent the rest of the evening staging materials up onto the new deck to line and brace the ridge wall, scaffold the ridge for setting rafters, and maybe get the ridge wall sheeted (?) before rolling the rafters. (10 July 29 transom exterior.JPG) (10 July 29 transom interior.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 July 29 transom exterior.JPG (127KB - 249 downloads) 10 July 29 transom interior.JPG (59KB - 249 downloads) | ||
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| 61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824  Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Gotta final on my framing inspection before I start electrical. I do have power in there, tied into the old garage feed. But inspectors have a way of finding all sorts of things for a guy to do and right now I just want a weathered-in box with a roof over my head !!!!! Gotta stay focused ! | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | How about a neon clock from a DeSoto dealership that reads "Sound horn for service" ? | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Pulling both a DAY and SWING shift, I wrapped up today's progress with just 5 minutes to spare (cannot be banging nails after 2200, per city noise ordinance) with the completion of the scaffold walk I'll need to set the rafters at the ridge. Taking the time to do this right really saves a bundle of headaches over the next few steps of the job. Earlier in the day I had to fall back and do some wiring repair on my trailer before using it to go pick up a load of rafters and plywood, and of course, stack it all nearby for use as I need it. Tomorrow I will line and brace the ridge wall, sheet the east side of it (leave the west side open for interior wiring later), and set the actual ridge before mocking up a template rafter to cut all the others by. If luck is with me, I might actually roll some rafters tomorrow ! (10 July 30 scaffold.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 July 30 scaffold.JPG (148KB - 253 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Got lateral braces going both ways in the center. All the planks are pinned. I don't want to go crashing to the floor, but then again, I don't want to be ducking around excessive bracing either. The monster ridge beam was overrated for even a snow load of 8', but being "Mr. Overthetop", I am sheeting both sides of the 12' ridge wall with 1/2" CDX. The engineer said that this would double my load bearing potential if nailed on a 6/8 schedule. Only got one pic today, before I sheeted the east side of the wall. It shows the wall lined and braced. By day's end I had the sheeting almost done. I will do the west side after I have pulled electrical through that wall. This way I preserve as much pre-stress deflection as possible BEFORE the roof framing and roofing weight is added. (10 July 31 ridge lined and braced.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 July 31 ridge lined and braced.JPG (212KB - 271 downloads) | ||
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| Rebels-59 |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Long day with a lot of prep and little physical change to show for it. But I bridged a major milestone in setting the first rafter ! The day started out with finishing up the plywood "shear" sheeting that makes the wall into a super stiff support for the structure, both in roof load and lateral strength. The second photo shows the actual "ridge" being placed on top of the wall. Rafter layout and assembly is all done down on the floor and taken up in 12' sections. Third photo shows the east side of the wall with the sheeting. One panel was made removable for access to this side. Otherwise it would require going OVER 16' walls to get in there ! I am standing on the temporary roof that will be removed once the high roof is finished. This area is where I will place the lifts and hence the high ceiling. The last shot shows the first rafter in place. These are 20' long and are a bugger to handle. As it is, I cannot fish them up through the hole in the floor because of the length, and so they have to come up OVER the wall !  And handling them from the deck up onto the scaffolding is no better. They will readily slide at the 6/12 pitch and are eager to get away from me ! The first rafter requires much fuss and fitment to make into a pattern from which I cut the rest. So this is actually the 2nd one cut, but the first one to be placed.The original pattern sits off to the side and will be the last to be installed. I may not be fast, but I sure am slow !  (10 Aug 01 sheeted ridge.JPG) (10 Aug 01 actual ridge.JPG) (10 Aug 01 plywood.JPG) (10 Aug 01 first rafter.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 01 sheeted ridge.JPG (184KB - 254 downloads) 10 Aug 01 actual ridge.JPG (172KB - 326 downloads) 10 Aug 01 plywood.JPG (122KB - 333 downloads) 10 Aug 01 first rafter.JPG (123KB - 281 downloads) | ||
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| 56royaldodge |
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | It will home to the Spokane Squawk professional corndog-eating team, monster truck shows, and an upcoming Beatles reunion tour.  | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Been a little crazy around here and I have some catching up to do !  First photo shows the first 5-6 rafters in place. The shape of the building is looking less like a cube. Second shot shows a close up of the rafter tail / bird's mouth as it rests on the top plate. The string line as there to make sure my bracing holds the walls nice and straight so the rafters nail off in the right place. The bracing will stay in place until the roof is sheeted, at which point the plywood will hold things where they belong. Third shot is the same as the first, but looking out. (10 Aug 03 rafters 1.JPG) (10 Aug 04 rafters 2.JPG) (10 Aug 04 rafters 3.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 03 rafters 1.JPG (102KB - 278 downloads) 10 Aug 04 rafters 2.JPG (128KB - 262 downloads) 10 Aug 04 rafters 3.JPG (146KB - 277 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Some more shots of the rafter process. Some have asked how I know what I am doing, etc., so I thought I'd do a little tutorial. First shot shows the rather tight quarters of my "rafter workshop". All those uncut 2 x 12' s stacked there came up through that little green square cut in the wall. That was my "solution" to taking them up over the top, ... which really sucked. My pattern rafter I use to mark the new ones with sits on the wall brackets up and out of the way. Second pic shows a fresh rafter crowned and place up on the rollers with the pattern overlayed for marking the top bird's mouth cut. Third shows the same for the bottom cut. With pattern back up on its shelf, the 4th shot shows the cuts are made and the next rafter is ready to wind through the tangle of braces and place. Fifth shot shows the new rafter staged on the exterior wall and the upper scaffolding. I will now go up top and lift it into place and nail it off. Last shot shows the new rafter all shot off and the process is ready to begin all over again ! (10 Aug 05 rafters 4.JPG) (10 Aug 05 rafters 5.JPG) (10 Aug 05 rafters 6.JPG) (10 Aug 05 rafters 7.JPG) (10 Aug 05 rafters 8.JPG) (10 Aug 05 rafters 9.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 05 rafters 4.JPG (171KB - 334 downloads) 10 Aug 05 rafters 5.JPG (144KB - 266 downloads) 10 Aug 05 rafters 6.JPG (125KB - 268 downloads) 10 Aug 05 rafters 7.JPG (189KB - 282 downloads) 10 Aug 05 rafters 8.JPG (154KB - 269 downloads) 10 Aug 05 rafters 9.JPG (153KB - 292 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Finished rolling the west side rafters tonight. Couple night shots using the lights showing the 15 x 35 foot room all framed in. (10 Aug 06 rafters 10.JPG) (10 Aug 06 rafters 11.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 06 rafters 10.JPG (162KB - 279 downloads) 10 Aug 06 rafters 11.JPG (145KB - 305 downloads) | ||
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| 56royaldodge |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Made my weekly $500 "deposit" at the lumber yard and brought home another trailer load of 2 x 12 and some 2 x 8 for roller blocks. I will use 2 x 6 on the square for bird blocking on the tails. I'll post some pix later. Gotta go get this unloaded and staged up top. As for nautical motif, not sure how a cube looks nautical ???? 5 floors high ? It is intentionally tall. I can max out at 35' at the peak. I plan to do just that ! Remember, when this is all done, it will look like a Victorian-era railroad depot, so tall and skinny is part of the design. The rear shop area I am building now will house car lifts that require 14' clear to work with cars like ours. We don't want to be mashing a raised hood through the ceiling ! The front part of the building (not even started yet) have garage space at ground level (10' ceilings) with living quarters above (also 10 walls, but with open rafter roof construction. So that part will be at least 10 feet taller than what you see here. Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-08-07 4:46 PM | ||
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| 56royaldodge |
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Nah, .... my ONE neighbor was a royal bitch before I ever bought the property .... I used to live the next house over. It was because of her sweet charm that all steps were taken to make sure she had good reason to be such a "darling". Things were off to a good start when the day after erecting the light pole seen in these pix that I had complaints filed with both the City Engineering AND Electrical Dept's. Now keep in mind, not a spade had been turned for the new building ... I just wanted a nice old incandescent street light out there by the street so I could sift the bark and topsoil out of the future concrete areas when I got home. Not some blindingly obnoxious sodium or mercury vapor job. I have since had 38 visits from 7 different agencies relating to her phone calls. Take a stab at what she does for a "job" ? She's a "community organizer" ! Yeah ..... | ||
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| 56royaldodge |
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Just one pic of today's "action". Showing the lumber load spotted in front of the building. I got called away and got home in time to change my plan of attack after sizing up the "battlefield". Since the east side rafters are all hung over the rather flimsy temporary roof that I would prefer spending as little time working on as possible, I decided to continue cutting my rafters on the west side where I have already set up shop and thread then through the bracing to set them individually off ladders placed on the sloping roof. Kind of a pain, but likely less than building a whole new set of scaffolding. This decided, I got layout down on the outer wall, staged all the ladders and tools and pinned the "pattern" rafter in place so I can mark it in the morning when the light is better. Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-08-08 1:45 AM (10 Aug 07 e rafter pkg.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 07 e rafter pkg.JPG (212KB - 233 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | gutsy guy putting up all of one side of rafters . what's the idea behind the large outside fishmouth---------------------------------------------------------------------later (images-union logo.jpg) Attachments ---------------- images-union logo.jpg (5KB - 287 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I was concerned with that, but changed my mind after placing a few and feeling the lack of tension. Had the pitch been steeper, it might have been an issue. With the amount of bracing in both directions I feel it is more than enough to hold it. I presume what we call a "birdsmouth" is what you are calling a "fishmouth" ..... and I may not be understanding your question exactly, so if I miss the mark, tell me ...... the seat depth for the top plate interlock was set to give maximum surface bearing. It also worked out with the top for an decent depth of cut at the ridge. The continued vertical run goes "north" to meet the 5.5" tail smoothly planing with the outer wall framing plane. It will be roller blocked between and then sheeted per code to tie the wall stud framing with the top plate and roof structure. Not sure if you do that back there, but we have "seismic requirements" for earthquakes. The codes are REALLY stringent on the coast where I was trained (Seattle - Local 161), but I do it here just for overkill and to keep my inspectors overly happy. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Good point, for sure. With all 4 walls sheeted and the strings left in place to keep an eye on things, I decided the hopping back and forth from side to side wasn't worth the trouble. I set the first bunch on the other side today. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | 60 dart - 2010-08-09 4:30 AM gutsy guy putting up all of one side of rafters . what's the idea behind the large outside fishmouth---------------------------------------------------------------------later It's been awesome watching this project over the last few months. A good break on the site from automotive discussion to this construction. (Almost "construction porn") I am envious of the amount of room that you are going to have in the end. But I too was wondering why you had such a big check-out on the overhanging rafters. Why remove all that timber, why not just remove what is needed to fit square on the top plate and then let the rafter carry on the same size as it was? Glenn. (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (128KB - 271 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-08-07 4:39 PM Made my weekly $500 "deposit" at the lumber yard and brought home another trailer load of 2 x 12 and some 2 x 8 for roller blocks. I will use 2 x 6 on the square for bird blocking on the tails. I'll post some pix later. Gotta go get this unloaded and staged up top. As for nautical motif, not sure how a cube looks nautical ???? 5 floors high ? It is intentionally tall. I can max out at 35' at the peak. I plan to do just that ! Remember, when this is all done, it will look like a Victorian-era railroad depot, so tall and skinny is part of the design. The rear shop area I am building now will house car lifts that require 14' clear to work with cars like ours. We don't want to be mashing a raised hood through the ceiling ! The front part of the building (not even started yet) have garage space at ground level (10' ceilings) with living quarters above (also 10 walls, but with open rafter roof construction. So that part will be at least 10 feet taller than what you see here. My lift works in 12' ceiling, it has a bar across the so it won't lift higher than that and I find it to be a wise practice to close all hoods and trunks before proceeding to lift | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | The rafter tail dimension is a matter of proportions, I guess. I am trying to recall ever having left a tail larger than the 2 x 6 size and nothing comes to mind, even in truss or soffited (sic?) work. In the late 80's and early 90's I spent a BIG chunk of my work days cutting stick roofs on the "McMansions" around Seattle. Still, I cannot recall ever leaving huge, deep rafter tails. I supposed they would also be real bird nesting magnets too ? I thought I might be pushing it too fat with the 2 x 6, but since I will be underlaying the overhangs with a decorative tongue and groove, the appearance will be minimized to 2 x 4. Here are a couple pix of the other side starting to come together. What appears to be a "floor" is the temporary roof I built to get me through last winter. It will be removed and this ceiling will be wide open for the car lifts. Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-08-09 10:00 AM (10 Aug 08 e rafter 1.JPG) (10 Aug 08 e rafter 2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 08 e rafter 1.JPG (131KB - 259 downloads) 10 Aug 08 e rafter 2.JPG (67KB - 258 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | 60 Plymouth - 2010-08-10 4:21 AM My lift works in 12' ceiling, it has a bar across the so it won't lift higher than that and I find it to be a wise practice to close all hoods and trunks before proceeding to lift :laugh:********************************************** Having never had the luxury of a lift before, I asked around at a lot of shops and with lift vendors. They all said that the lifts could work in a 12' clearance area, but that 14' was considered "worry free" for leaving hoods open. Since I plan to hang all my sheetmetal from the rafters for easy organization .... I just love seeing rows of hoods and fenders hanging from the ceiling, ... that with a base wall height of 16' and a rake to 24' at the peak, that this would give amble room to operate. Externally, it leaves 4 to 8 feet of sided wall between the front and rear roof lines, which is more aesthetically pleasing than a large or small jump, AND is easier on snow removal and building maintenance. I have to be thinking about being to old to be playing Karl Wallenda in the not too distant future ! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Well just remember when you get old its gonna be a bitch getting the hood down from 16' Did you figure the extra live load on the rafters? You start hanging all kinds of sheet metal up there and it can add up. Just a thought. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | 60 Plymouth - 2010-08-10 12:53 PM Well just remember when you get old its gonna be a bitch getting the hood down from 16' Did you figure the extra live load on the rafters? You start hanging all kinds of sheet metal up there and it can add up. Just a thought. ********************************************************* The lifts I have looked at have a lowering feature as well. Did you see the beam I ran down the center ???? I am forgetting actual numbers, but with open framing, snow load, AND live load figured in, my "little" pre-stressed beam cost a sweet $1700 ! to be "safe". | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-08-09 8:04 PM 60 Plymouth - 2010-08-10 12:53 PM Well just remember when you get old its gonna be a bitch getting the hood down from 16' Did you figure the extra live load on the rafters? You start hanging all kinds of sheet metal up there and it can add up. Just a thought. ********************************************************* The lifts I have looked at have a lowering feature as well. Did you see the beam I ran down the center ???? I am forgetting actual numbers, but with open framing, snow load, AND live load figured in, my "little" pre-stressed beam cost a sweet $1700 ! to be "safe". :wince: Uh I ment the body parts you are gonna hang on the ceiling....and the live load I would be worried about is not the beam but those 2x12 spf (looks like) you are using for rafters. They will have the load on them first...  | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | The engineers tell me I am OK. We are only talking about 1-2 thousand pounds spread over a BIG area. Just a few inches of wet snow weighs more than that ! It will only be light stuff hung above. I will build more heavy shelves for the iron to go down on the slab. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Had a bunch of distractions, but the cutting and setting of the rafters plods onward. Been getting 4-6 put up each evening. I took this shot before the light was totally gone. There are three rafters set behind the camera and I got another one in the empty hanger seen in the photo before calling it a day. (10 Aug 11 rafters.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 11 rafters.JPG (103KB - 253 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Got all but the last two rafters in tonight. Would have finished the job, but rejected two of the boards for knots with eminating cracks. I guess I get to return those two and go get a couple more.  There is always tomorrow, right ? | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Mikey ~ Keep in mind, this will ultimately be my house AND shop and is designed to be functional AND display all my eccentric interests for Victorian architecture, Frankenstein electrical doo-dads, railroad junk, etc. .... so there is a not-so-obvious method to the madness. Imagine the depot awning I will hang around the entire building at 10'. This will DRASTICALLY alter the appearance from the giant box it is now. It will have the heavy depot type stick brackets and overhang 5 feet. The upper roofline overhang is only three feet. as for bird blocking, the 2 x 6 vented bird blocks will be set on square to the roof pitch. I will use a custom sized solid block running plumb with the vertical part of the tail cut to act as a roller block, and also as "beef" behind the wall sheeting that will continue northbound until in runs into the bird block. This gives me the best option for "stout", and provides a nice surface for the finish siding to butt in to, giving a nice, clean look. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Picked up the two new rafters after work and finished the job up tonight. Tomorrow I will check the line and bracing, begin blocking, followed by trimming tails and prep for sheeting. Oh yeah, got to build my end walls ! (10 Aug 13 rafters done.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 13 rafters done.JPG (122KB - 261 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | So whats with the center wall not being in the center and all the crazy notching going on with the first rafters at the peak?? Are you letting the hippies come over and help and bong time | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Got the west side all squared up and beautiful and then made roller blocks and bird blocks and installed them. First photo shows the rafters all in place. It was too dark last night to get a good shot. The blocking photos should explain the lower tail cut questions better than I could with words. The "bird block" has three 2" holes drilled with a screen backing to keep insects and birds from getting into the rafter bays to nest. The solid "roller" block is 2" short of the top of the 2 x 12 to keep the rafters from rolling and still allowing air movement above the R-30 (code required) insulation. The solid blocks also sit plumb and flush with the vertical cut on the rafter tail cut and the top plate. In the photo from below, you can see where the sheeting stops about 6" short of the top. Strips of sheeting will now be cut and placed to bridge from the existing sheeting and across these blocks, making for a seismically strong shear value to the entire wall panel. The screened bird blocks are spaced out off the roller blocks with a 1" gap. With the 1/2" wall sheeting and fancy cornice trim that will eventually be there, this will provide a real clean line to dead end into. (10 Aug 14 rafters done 2.JPG) (10 Aug 14 birdblocks 1.JPG) (10 Aug 14 birdblocks 2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 14 rafters done 2.JPG (163KB - 290 downloads) 10 Aug 14 birdblocks 1.JPG (145KB - 260 downloads) 10 Aug 14 birdblocks 2.JPG (119KB - 262 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Playing catch up .... been a little crazy around here ..... first photo shows the east side all racked and braced .... (this side was not very straight OR cooperative) and about half the wall is blocked. Second photo shows the gable walls being framed up. This is a temporary wall that will come down when I extend it another eight feet to accommodate a full second floor on the front half of the building. But for now, I am sticking this in the get the roof on and the building buttoned up for winter. The other end will get a similar treatment than will be permanent. (10 Aug 15 east birdblocks.JPG) (10 Aug 18 gable studs.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 15 east birdblocks.JPG (212KB - 268 downloads) 10 Aug 18 gable studs.JPG (129KB - 251 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Work has been sporadic due to some heavy paperwork for an upcoming assignment. This photo shows the same shot as the last but in the better light of the morning. Going back the the beginning of this thread, it is hard to believe how this place looks now. (10 Aug 19 south gable.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 10 Aug 19 south gable.JPG (217KB - 230 downloads) | ||
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