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Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Progress is rapid, although limited to the time I can spend pounding nails. I go to work in the dark and it is usually dark when I get home. Most work is now done with big construction lights. These pix were taken a couple days ago as I began to sheet the walls. I was held up by engineering of the garage door headers and delivery of same, so I turned my attention to sheeting the walls. We have been getting some pretty windy days and the sheeting greatly strengthens the walls for sheer factor and eliminates the need for all that angle and side bracing you can see in the photos. I can legally work (making "construction noise") until 2100 hrs., so I can get in about 4-6 hours of work AFTER my real job. Today I picked up 10 more sheets of 1/2" CDX and a 12' Glu-Lam for the south wall garage door after work. After unloading these, I forked through a dirt pile in front of the south wall and pitched all the rock much larger than a hen's egg in the truck and moved the dirt to level the ground outside the east wall of the foundation, added several other accumulated rockpiles on site and hauled them off. This is the sort of "backstepping" I have to do to keep moving forward .... doesn't look like much is getting done, but since it is just me doing the work, I have to do all this side job stuff too !  Then I get a good night and a lot of wood gets put in place and it really looks like progress is being made. Since these pix were taken, all walls are sheeted to 8' with the exception of the door headers that will go in over the next few days, weather permitting.(09 Nov 17 walls 3.jpg) (09 Nov 17 walls 4.jpg) (09 Nov 17 walls 5.jpg) Attachments ----------------  09 Nov 17 walls 3.jpg (171KB - 398 downloads) 09 Nov 17 walls 4.jpg (189KB - 302 downloads) 09 Nov 17 walls 5.jpg (194KB - 330 downloads) | ||
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| 61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824  Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | You don't really think I'm hand-bangin' this job, do you ? Home Depot ? Not for air tools. Better price, service, and quality at any number of specialty shops. Inland Fasteners is a good one in Spokane. Now, if someone would just come up with an air shovel.  | ||
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| 60 Plymouth |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060  Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | They have one its called a Skidsteer | ||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | That's a good idea, Mike. I have used the "C-list" for a number of things with good results. My brother wanted the rock to line the bottom of "Dogcatraz" .... his new "supermax" dog kennel for his errant hound that defied even his previous gnarly pen before he poured concrete. No joke, ... this thing looks on par with anything we have out at the prison, with tipped-in barbed wire and all !!!! To explain, he has Catahoulas ..... one in particular. These are an amazing breed and one of the attributes (like climbing trees) is also a detriment in that the big young one can also make short work of even a six foot Cyclone fence and can dig tunnels to China while "Mom and Pop" are at work, leaving el Doggoroonie to wander far and wide in search of whatever that hound nose might pick up the scent on. This has led said hounds to the highway, some distance away, to bad results. Otherwise, yer dam straight, let someone else move that $#@! rock !!!! | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Raised the second garage door header into place last night. The forecast called for snow, so I wanted to get them in before the pockets were iced up. The smaller opening has a 12' header that weighed in at 450 lbs. The second one is 20' and weighed in at 800 ! Getting those up in the air like that by myself was a real workout ! The snow they called for was here by sun-up ... all wet and nasty. Looks like it won't last though. Thought I'd get a quick pic on before getting out there to build in the over-frame. (09 Nov 22 garage door headers in.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 Nov 22 garage door headers in.jpg (172KB - 404 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Things are buttoning up nicely, as the weather has remained unseasonably warm and dry. South wall (shown) and east and west walls are sheeted as far as can be done before the roof is rolled. I will next build temporary doors to enclose the structure and then build a long-term temporary lean-to type roof inside the "cube" to hedge my bets that the snow is going to get me yet. This way I can have my junk out of expensive storage units and still keep on working at my pleasure to get the high roof on as weather permits. (09 Nov 29 sheeting walls 2.jpg) (09 Nov 29 sheeting walls 1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 Nov 29 sheeting walls 2.jpg (162KB - 295 downloads) 09 Nov 29 sheeting walls 1.jpg (154KB - 343 downloads) | ||
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| Rebels-59 |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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| Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Once you have a floor in that baby, you will have to have a shop warming party! We can all come by and give the place that "lived-in" look ... you know, beer bottles everywhere and girlie calendars! Doc, does the shop have a flat roof? | ||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Roof will be stick-framed gable end type. Prolly 8 / 12 pitch ..... haven't decided yet. Maybe flatten it out to 6 / 12 for maintenance ease ? The front half may go 12 / 12, so what's the point ? My temporary interior roofed area comes next, just to get dried-in for winter. I'll make the roof decisions over the next couple weeks. Gonna study some books on Victorian railroad depots to see what I like best. Beer bottles and girlie calenders ? Bring 'em on !  | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Over the last week I boarded over holes and built doors so that the interior is now critterproof. I strung some lighting, as this cube creates a pretty dark shadow ! ... as always, using old time hardware materials. I framed in the transom windows over the "escape" door and fished a pair of them out of storage and got them temporarily placed. Using old materials can be a real pain in the axx .... for reasons never to be understood today, these windows are 19 and 1/4 inches tall ! Makes for some very non-standard calculations and I have to be very aware of all elements to make sure they fit and everything else works. I sheeted a third course across the north wall, bringing all walls to at least 12' of shear. One more course to go. Start framing the temporary interior roof today. Sun is shining. It was 13 degrees when I got up this morning.  (09 Dec 03 transoms set.jpg) (09 Dec 03 east interior.jpg) (09 Dec 03 north interior.jpg) (09 Dec 03 west exterior.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 Dec 03 transoms set.jpg (192KB - 288 downloads) 09 Dec 03 east interior.jpg (161KB - 291 downloads) 09 Dec 03 north interior.jpg (175KB - 413 downloads) 09 Dec 03 west exterior.jpg (178KB - 370 downloads) | ||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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| 60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | |||
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| 61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | 60 dart - 2009-12-08 1:14 PM MAN , that's a lot of building to be stick framing the rafters and joists . not even in my younger days ! you know God gave us trusses ?------------------------------------------------------------------later I agree with you, Chuck. Trusses dropped on top for you are the way to go definitely. a little crossbracing and some plywood and you are ready to roll felt. Looks great Doc. Bet it will be too small inside of 1 year. Mine is.
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | The open rafters will be for hanging all the sheetmetal from that is now costing me $325 a month to store !  Trusses are nice, but add up to massive amounts of wasted space. It is really tough to squeeze a hood or floorpan into the chords of a truss. All my sheetmetal has cable loops I carefully made for them attached so that they can all neatly hang from a ceiling. It was quite a sight to see them all hanging in neat rows at my old place. Without a "ranch" to keep it all on, no space is ever big enough for the clown that sees "everything" as something to be saved ! I will have to exercise great restraint to stay focused and not drag home any more "projects" !  | ||
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| 61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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| 60 dart |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I hear you about building things right. No one likes a disaster ! Right now, lumber is the lowest cost it has been in many years. I am real pleased with how much I can drag home for the money. What kicked my ever-lovin' ass was the $#! concrete ! $112 a yard !!!!! The pump truck was $759 for a two hour stint on the footings ! Those guys stepped all over the forms and knocked them out of level / alignment. I did the walls in two pours to get around what would have been at least double that charge.  The "Great Rock Hunt" doing the sewer and water were my other GROSSLY underestimated / anticipated problems / expenses. I had enough money at the start to take the entire building to a weathered-in shell. As it is, only half the building is up and I still lack a roof. Half my budget was poured down the drain on that fiasco, not to mention what should have taken a week took almost two months ! Ah well, ..... it is a cash deal. I work a few side jobs and we keep on going. When it is done, it is paid for and done how I want it. Afterall, I plan on dying here. | ||
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| big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | My last concrete job was running $75 bux a cube. Before that, $54 rings a bell. The City also requires 8" thick stem walls, so you can do the math at 33/44/46 high walls x 262 feet .... it cost a $#@! fortune ! What sunk me was the time delays. The heavy rock encountered took the schedule and tossed it in the trash can. Of course, the added time ran costs up exponentially. The lot being the shape it is, did not allow mixer truck access to the back, so the line pump seemed a good solution. I could have hired 200 Nubian slaves to carry the mud to the back in reed baskets for less that the line pumper charged me, and NOT have had all the forms trashed in the process ! The property did not change shape between the footing pour and the wall pours, so the same problem was faced there too. Not willing to hand over another wad of dough to those boneheads again, I poured the front half of the walls and backfilled, so that the mixer truck could then drive IN to the building area and reach the back. Of course, this doubled the amount of time of doing it all in one pour, but what are you going to do ? The Nubian Slave Local 351 had hired out all their workers ! Ah well, ..... I framed in the last of the temporary roof last night and will line brace the exterior walls before sheeting today. It should have rolled roofing on it before tonight. The DeSoto comes home in the next few days Not exactly how I envisioned it happening when this all started, but we adapt and overcome ! ooh-rah ! | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Got some pix of the temporary roof skeleton, and another taken with the sheeting rolled by the light of the construction lanterns. No roofing rolled today, so that will be tomorrow. Once the DeSoto is placed inside, I will wall it in for the winter. (09 Dec 12 temp roof 1.jpg) (09 Dec 12 temp roof 3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 Dec 12 temp roof 1.jpg (172KB - 354 downloads) 09 Dec 12 temp roof 3.jpg (167KB - 443 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Not really "shop" related, other than this has always been the target .... getting the DeSoto home (and finishing it). Well, there is still so much to be done, but today I brought the DeSoto home. It was 16 above freezing when I stepped out the door to go. Got a few shots to document the moment. With tow truck to pull and safety car following, we pulled it about a mile and a half home and stuffed it into its winter "bunker". It still rolled like a dream and the P-brake worked like a charm to check speed along the way. A traffic cop passed us at one point, but just gave that "WTF?" look like everyone else and kept on going. (09 12 27 1of7.jpg) (09 12 27 2of7.jpg) (09 12 27 3of7.jpg) (09 12 27 4of7.jpg) (09 12 27 5of7.jpg) (09 12 27 6of7.jpg) (09 12 27 7of7.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 12 27 1of7.jpg (182KB - 304 downloads) 09 12 27 2of7.jpg (151KB - 285 downloads) 09 12 27 3of7.jpg (147KB - 268 downloads) 09 12 27 4of7.jpg (179KB - 356 downloads) 09 12 27 5of7.jpg (226KB - 299 downloads) 09 12 27 6of7.jpg (196KB - 268 downloads) 09 12 27 7of7.jpg (150KB - 310 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Dropped a bennie and bought 80' of four inch PVC sewer pipe to use as conduit. Laying out a crowned ditch along the eastside of the building to drain water toward the open ends, I got all eighty feet in the ground, sanded in, and regraded over the weekend. This will house any front- to-back passage of underground utilities like sprinklers when the time comes for that. Next step is a curb right along the east property line and then pour the walkway between the curb and the building. I took photos of the *exciting* ditch work, but zapped them into etherspace when I tried to edit them for posting ! Will I ever get to actually work on my car ? ...... some day !  | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Had 13 yds. of good garden soil delivered and filled the giant hole out front where I mined out the fill for the east side grade raising and planted it in with all the sunflowers that are coming up. Gotta keep this mess of a worksite somewhat "prettied up" for the DLI and neighbors. Ordered the 37' ridge beam to begin work again on the roof. $1700 for that puppy ! 8.75" x 30.0", this thing will weigh in at a staggering amount and require a crane to install. One supplier wanted that amount BEFORE tax and no boom truck to set it. It pays to call around .... same beam, about $65 cheaper WITH tax, AND they have a boom truck ! In the meantime, bought another fiver of stain to neutralize the appearance of the building from the street. The underlying color will act as a backer for the natural cedar siding where it might crack when I get to that. For now, it takes a raw plywood "box" and makes it a whole lot less visually "loud". It took 2 hours to color the front. Nice to be moving forward again. Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-04-24 6:03 PM | ||
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| B/G 61 |
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Doc - You COULD get your car running, complete AND NOT restored - get the sheet metal work done and drive it like it is !!!! THINK of the looks you would get ! You would have THE ONLY vert that WASN'T restored (and on the road)- so few of these are around, NONE are driving and NOT completely "done" . . . Like the progress on the "shop" - Keep up the good work  | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | While I plan to take the body back off the frame once the sheetmetal work is done in order to do the frame and chassis, I am angling to restore it to a level like that of a well kept used car. Enough of it is pieced together from better condition parts (like a front seat from a red and white car that needs upholstery) that I really need to get it all whipped into one matching "set". I have a real grievance with the guys that drove these as "beaters" back in the day that I don't want to drive a mismatched pile of parts. Still, I hear you about most of these being over-restored museum pieces. I plan to drive mine, so even if I really did it to ridiculous standards, it will be a little ratty around the edges soon enough. With the roof on and a concrete floor down, the only thing I will lack will be a lift to begin working on the car again in the winters. I will continue work on the building in the summers. All part of "The Plan". | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | A milestone day. The roof ridge beam was delivered. After cutting both ends to square and getting the length right, it was up and over the 16" walls and dropped intp the waiting pockets. The boomer was super accomodating and got lunch paid for on account of his great help and attitude. He told me the beam weighed somewhere between 4-5 thousand pounds ... far more than what the salesdude said. Anyway, it had to be boomed off the trailer as deep as he could reach from the street. I then got the cuts made while he dropped his trailer and got the truck deep into the narrow driveway, where he picked it up again to be set. The walls had to be flexed to get it past the top plate and then sucked back in with a winch. All-in-all, a super clean install. I still can't get over how huge this thing is !!! Next, I'll start joisting for the 2nd floor and then build the wall that will support the roof ridge. From there, joist the roof, sheet, and Voila ! .... a roof ! Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-05-15 1:50 AM (10 May 14 setting glulam.jpg) (10 May 14 jeff turner glulam.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 10 May 14 setting glulam.jpg (190KB - 266 downloads) 10 May 14 jeff turner glulam.jpg (166KB - 311 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | |||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | wizard - 2010-05-16 9:04 AM That's some serious piece of wood. ************************************* Yeah, .... all the girls say that. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | A couple weeks ago I replaced the rear frame horns on my truck after getting them bent when a dipweed rear-ended me. I then got the bumper al pounded back into form. The objective being that I could once again tow my trailer. Hauling 16' material in a 7' bed bent the bed last year. I got it all straightened out and thought with the straight frame, I could haul with it again, as I had yet to license the trailer and repair a broken tail light lens. On the first trip today, I discovered that the little truck is good for 10 ten-foot 2x6 and 6 sixteen-foot 2x12. This was going to make for a lot of trips, so I rushed back home to get my trailer registration and got over to the agency with 10 minutes to spare. A little clear packing tape to fix the lens, and I was in business ! Got the entire load on the trailer with no effort at all and got it unloaded and covered. I'll do some layout tonight and start rolling joists in the morning. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I don't think I could take that many 58 DeSoto convertibles at my place ! My brain would burst ! OK, I got all my layout done for rolling the second floor tonight. My hired help and I will likely get that done tomorrow. It will take 16 sheets of decking to finish @ 26 clams per, or about $450 with tax. I am whooped for dough with the beam and joists, so it may take a few weeks ? The roof is next, with a ridge wall standing on top of the beam being first. The roof will take a while, probably involving about $2500 in materials. Then comes the concrete floor. With that, I can put in my wood stove and work over the winter on the car. A lift would be nice, but I can work off jack stands like the old days for now. That means I *could* be ready by this fall ? I'd really like my car to be back together for this "convention", but maybe that can be at the SECOND meeting ? | ||
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| Rebels-59 |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Rolling 2x12 joists for the 2nd floor above the work area. This will ultimately serve as a hallway and storage between the front part of the building (not yet built) and the old house behind to make it all one building (per City requirements). The joisting will only be on one half of the building, leaving the other half open for the car lift/s. (10 May 16 rolling joists 1.jpg) (10 May 16 rolling joists 2.jpg) (10 May 16 rolling joists 3.jpg) (10 May 16 rolling joists 4.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 10 May 16 rolling joists 1.jpg (192KB - 275 downloads) 10 May 16 rolling joists 2.jpg (159KB - 260 downloads) 10 May 16 rolling joists 3.jpg (175KB - 388 downloads) 10 May 16 rolling joists 4.jpg (195KB - 292 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Continued placing hangers on the joist ends and sistering "post" studs underneath those that were balloon framed. Got all done but came up 2 studs short. Will pick those up tomorrow on my way home from work. Because the glu-lam is pre-stressed (arched), I am holding off on fully nailing off the hangers to the joists to allow the down flex from the roof weight, and will come back after that done to nail them off completely. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Picked up a load of T&G plywood last night and began setting the second floor deck. Should have that done today and begin building the ridge wall on top of the beam. From there, special length rafters will be ordered and the roof is beginning to take form ! Photos to follow. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Thanks, John. Mebbe someday I'll have a big barn like yours ? So here's pix: First one is in the morning and shows the two sheets I got down the night before. The beam is still clearly visible but will soon disappear into the floor. The temporary shed roof to keep the snow off the DeSoto over the winter is quickly beginning to look like a concrete slab below. I will get the entire new roof assembly in and dried-in before breaking the temp roof down this winter. Second photo: The sun is going down in the west and casting long shadows. It is still above 90 degrees and I have spotted the ridge wall framing material on the new deck for tomorrow. The ridge wall will be 12.5 feet tall to support a 6/12 pitch roof. (shop deck 1.JPG) (shop deck 2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- shop deck 1.JPG (201KB - 285 downloads) shop deck 2.JPG (129KB - 263 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I began layout and stick framing of the ridge wall last night and this morning took the first photo of it as it was dark when I knocked off. This shot is taken from the same corner of the lot that many of the earlier shots are taken from. I amaze myself at how much this place has changed ! 2nd shot was in failing light as the stick framing of the ridge wall continues toward the north end of the building. The top plate lies cut and laid out across the saw and was installed before it was too dark to see my marks. (10 July 26 ridge wall 1.jpg) (10 July 26 ridge wall 2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 10 July 26 ridge wall 1.jpg (161KB - 262 downloads) 10 July 26 ridge wall 2.jpg (150KB - 245 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | The rear "shop" portion of the building will be 6/12. The front will be 12/12 to keep with the 1880's depot look. This won't just be a restoration shop, but a "museum" for all my other old junk interests as well. At 30 x 70 with a 2nd floor over 3/4 of it, it will be fair sized for a schmuck like me. | ||
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