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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-11-20 12:18 AM (#152625)
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Ray's progress, John & M'Lisa's budget restoration, Robert's restoration of the Contreras Dodge, and many others have inspired me in one of my old and dear projects! I have never posted a picture of this car before now. I bought the car on May 27, 1996 after I saw it advertised in the Rocky Mountain News. Believe it or not, there was actually a time when you could find a car like this in the local newspaper. It seems like the internet has changed everything! On January 11, 1958, Mr. Andy Martischang, a salesman at the James Motor Company at 1278 Lincoln Street in Denver, sold this car brand new to Mr. Harry P. Gammel and Mrs. Freda F. Gammel of 6340 N. Downing Street for the sum of $4,619.71 (includes 2% tax and $127.68 interest and filing fee). Mr. Gammel was an employee of the Coors Brewery in Golden Colorado and he used to drive the car to work every day. The Gammel's passed it on to their children. I have talked to their son, Charles A. Gammel who still lives in Arvada. The Gammel children used to race the car at the dirt track in Castle Rock. I wonder if that was the old Continental Race Way? At any rate, it eventually left the Gammel family and wound up in the possession of Mr. Alan Flemming, a Denver police officer who buys cars and sells them for a quick profit. I bought the car from Mr. Flemming lo these many years ago. I took the car apart, restored the frame, had the body repaired and painted, married my wife, had two beautiful children, and bought about ten other cars to tinker around with. Now it is time to get her runnin' as Ray says. The first week of December, this goes off to MoPower Masters to become a running, driving car again. I traded Wilbur Huyett's race car for the service...



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Posted 2008-11-20 8:38 AM (#152652 - in reply to #152625)
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WOW !!Mike she`s a beauty!!
I wish mine up to par with that one , id love to see her running around!! good luck!!
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Posted 2008-11-20 10:57 AM (#152657 - in reply to #152625)
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Very nice Mike,

I too remember when you could find cars in the local papers and on craigslist. No deals anymore. I guess the good side of that is that with a little paint and powder my 60 dart Phoenix 4 door will bring a pretty penny. At least it has lots of chrome:-)) It is very complete and the bumpers are perfect.

 

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Posted 2008-11-20 10:59 AM (#152658 - in reply to #152625)
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That's a "striking" beauty Mike - I see you made a strike with it in the garage
Really a nice car.
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Posted 2008-11-20 2:19 PM (#152682 - in reply to #152625)
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Ya Sven... I was "Bowled Over" too ! 


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Posted 2008-11-20 2:56 PM (#152690 - in reply to #152625)
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WOW Mike..
You kept this Quite.. And i SEE Why.. Car looks Stunning... I can can imagine it was Sensibly Priced back in 96...
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-11-20 11:27 PM (#152758 - in reply to #152690)
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the bowling puns too - I think I may have "spared" this, but I haven't bowled a turkey yet! When I was taking the photos, I didn't even think about those pins on the floor. When I downloaded the pictures - I just sighed and said "those would have been so easy to pick up and move out of the way!" Oh, well. I don't know why parts of the pictures are in focus and other parts are blurry.

As I recall, I paid the princely sum of $1,600 for this car back in 1996. I actually drove it home and drove it around for awhile. A mere drop in the bucket compared to what I have poured in to this point! It will be good to see some progress along the lines of what Ray has achieved on this car. My understanding is that I will be able to drive it back from the shop - twelve years since the last time I was behind the wheel!
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Posted 2008-11-21 2:37 PM (#152837 - in reply to #152625)
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Nice car! And you know the history. I'm looking forwards to seeing it on the road.

You are very good at finding out the history of your cars. How do you do it?

Also, have you posted pictures of your Coronet convertible?
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Posted 2008-11-21 8:03 PM (#152893 - in reply to #152625)
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You all remember the TV show, Bowling for dollars, don't you, Mike was just trying to make a buck back then and was filming 'Bowling with Dodges' LOL!

Super nice car, Mike, keep us posted of your progress!! ---John
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Posted 2008-11-21 9:44 PM (#152908 - in reply to #152625)
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Wow Mike! I remember seeing a little of this car this past spring but seeing her with the cover completley off is just stunning! I hope to see it up close again, when you get er done!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-11-23 12:23 AM (#153096 - in reply to #152837)
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Thanks, guys:

Stanford - the local cars have been much easier to find bits of history. I have had pretty good luck with the Gammel Dodge, the Easton DeSoto, and the Huyett Dodge. Interestingly, I know very little about my first car - my pride and joy - the gold and eggshell Royal Lancer sedan. I looked into the history of the navy and silver Coronet that I bought from Jim Helm and sold to Kent Johanson, but I knew even less about it. For some reason, I didn't find out much about the Plymouth. I think there is an interesting story behind the Coronet convertible too, but that could be very difficult to uncover. Are you free for a beer and a burger on the 13th? I think Ray and Robert and I are going out.

Ray - The future of this car should be kind of interesting...I have to sell it to pay off the DeSoto, so I don't know if I am going to get much of a chance to drive it or what will happen. Tony Richards has told me that several people are interested in it already. It would be very nice to sell it in the Denver area. I would very much like to see this car running around town. It is an unusual car with some unusual options. In all my searching for '58 Dodges, it seems that I have found lots of Coronets and many Custom Royals, but the Royals are not as common. Of course, the best features of this car are the D-500 engine and the coupe body style.
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Posted 2008-11-23 9:11 AM (#153110 - in reply to #152625)
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Nice car, what color have the interior?

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-11-23 11:03 PM (#153189 - in reply to #153110)
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Hi, Roger:

Black and white. I haven't seen it myself. In 12 years of ownership, I have never uncovered the original seats! I do not know what condition thery are in. You can see the original heat sealed vinyl below the seat covers, but I don't know about the original fabric. I suppose the driver's seat is shot, but I do not know for certain...
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Posted 2008-11-24 11:34 AM (#153223 - in reply to #152625)
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Mike - I wish I could make it on the 13th. I will be out of town.
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Posted 2011-03-12 9:13 PM (#264434 - in reply to #153223)
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I visited More Power Masters today. Gerad is nearly ready...it should be running and driving by late next week!!! I am pumped up about this one. Once it gets back to my house, I need to install the windows and the headliner and then get the interior done. Once completed, this car is ready to roll again!

As mentioned in another thread, I ran into Bob at the Richatd's place. He is a happy camper!
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Posted 2011-03-13 12:11 AM (#264445 - in reply to #264434)
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So, you never sold it ?

Sorry for not keeping up with the story.
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Posted 2011-03-19 9:01 AM (#265174 - in reply to #152625)
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Hi Mike

Í am glad to see you wake up this beauty again, my car`s twin, I hope you post many pictures of progress, Bengt



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Posted 2011-03-21 12:26 AM (#265379 - in reply to #265174)
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The Richards family delivered the "Black Beauty" today. It is very exciting to have the car running and driving again. Gerad did a great job with the wiring, dash, and engine detail. Tony put a hi-po cam in the stock 361 and thinks this car can give 383 RoadRunners a run for their money! It sounds pretty beefy when it is at idle! They said it will easily light up the tires.



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Royal
Posted 2011-03-21 11:39 AM (#265413 - in reply to #265379)
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Wow, it looks great, Mike.

I like how the ignition wires are routed, clean look.

The rear end is high, what lift her up? Bengt

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Posted 2011-03-21 12:11 PM (#265416 - in reply to #152625)
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Posted 2011-03-21 12:23 PM (#265419 - in reply to #265416)
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It has a very aggressive rake, but the Richards said they could adjust that back down if I wanted. They said once the interior is installed, I could bring it back for a tune up and adjust the stance. For right now, I kind of like it!

The spark plug wires are the expensive set on eBay right now. They are very nice and correct-looking. I asked Gerad about the original wire guides and he said that this routing would help protect the wires better from the heat of the exhaust manifold.
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Posted 2011-03-21 2:46 PM (#265427 - in reply to #265419)
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I like it high too,

The tires, How wide are the white colour?
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Posted 2011-03-21 4:07 PM (#265438 - in reply to #265427)
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Hi, Bengt:

I think those are 2.75-inch wide whites. I can check when I get home.
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Posted 2011-03-21 5:20 PM (#265446 - in reply to #152625)
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Thanks Mike,

I found 4 tires with 2,5 inch ww to my car, but, maybe, 2,5 is to small? Bengt
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Posted 2011-03-21 10:18 PM (#265484 - in reply to #152625)
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LOVE the no hubcap look - can I persuade you into cranking the bars up on the front end ???


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Posted 2011-03-21 10:51 PM (#265492 - in reply to #265446)
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Bengt: I stand corrected: 2.25! I was originally going to guess that, but I thought "they have to be wider than that!"

Yikey: yes you could
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Posted 2011-03-22 11:43 PM (#265589 - in reply to #152625)
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Look's good Mike! I stopped by the Richard's shop today and was astounded that your car had finally gone home to roost for you. Who do you have lined up for the interior work?
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Posted 2011-03-23 10:35 AM (#265624 - in reply to #265589)
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Hi, John! I am going to try to get Dick Richards to do the interior.
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Royal
Posted 2011-03-23 3:51 PM (#265659 - in reply to #265624)
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Do you remember that strange number I have on my engine, stamped beside the serialnumber, Have you checked your engine?

Probably my engine is restored in any way,
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Posted 2011-03-23 11:25 PM (#265701 - in reply to #265659)
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Bengt, I do remember that discussion! Now that the Gammel Dodge is home - it is easier to check. Nothing odd or unexpected on mine. The engine number matches the punch card.



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Posted 2011-03-24 7:52 AM (#265738 - in reply to #265701)
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Thanks, Mike

very clear stamp there

The stamp on my engine looked little home made, but now I see the style of the stamp is exactly the same.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-03-24 12:18 PM (#265751 - in reply to #265738)
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Bengt, what are your numbers? I assume you have a "L - 360" just like mine and then the second row is the engine number, but you said there was something else there...
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Posted 2011-03-24 3:38 PM (#265777 - in reply to #152625)
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Here is from my engine,



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Posted 2011-03-24 7:20 PM (#265813 - in reply to #152625)
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Weird that it would have a perpidicular "682' stamping over the factory stamping. Possibly an rebuild code if it was in someones shop or dealership for a rebuild? How about a rebuild on June 8th, 1962...Just a wild guess....
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Posted 2011-03-24 7:27 PM (#265814 - in reply to #152625)
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What I first noticed is that one engine is 7077 and the other 7069. They were practically crib mates!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-03-24 10:30 PM (#265832 - in reply to #265814)
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Look at how different the "6" in the 360 is from the "6" in the 682! Very interesting, indeed! Like John says, it does seem that the 682 is over the factory stamp.

I guess your computer punch card just has the 7069?

Yes, the two engine numbers appear to be very close!
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Posted 2011-03-24 10:47 PM (#265835 - in reply to #152625)
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How close are the two "VIN"numbers of the cars if the enigne numbers are this close? Casting dates on the blocks...How close are those? Inquiring minds needs to know...
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Posted 2011-03-25 10:13 AM (#265869 - in reply to #265835)
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My car was built Okt, 2 1957. vin, number 6066
The engine number matches the punch card, and the engine blocks casting date is 7-23 1957.

Something is change in the engine, I think it`s a stroker 682 cui,

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Posted 2011-03-25 10:34 AM (#265870 - in reply to #152625)
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To add a wrinkle to this, in 1954 my parents' 1952 De Soto sucked a valve seat. The factory shipped a new engine without serial number, and the dealership stamped the original engine's serial number on the block. Thus, even with an engine replacement it still had matching numbers. It also means that a matching number car could have a dealer stamped serial number on it.
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Posted 2011-03-25 11:15 PM (#265956 - in reply to #152625)
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That is true Stanford, I can't recall what year the Federal Government mandated the Vin stamped on the block (for theft reasons) somewhere, I thought early 60's...Some states had this law in the 50's and others did not.

So if you lived in that state the delivering dealer would be required to stamp the block when new. If the car was from an out of state area that did not do this, then you were required to have this done if you registered the car in a "stamped block state" even if the car was used.

Replacement warranty blocks would have to be done this way too!

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Posted 2011-03-26 11:57 AM (#266005 - in reply to #265869)
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Royal - 2011-03-25 8:13 AM

My car was built Okt, 2 1957. vin, number 6066
The engine number matches the punch card, and the engine blocks casting date is 7-23 1957.



The Gammel Dodge vin is LD2-8899 and it was scheduled October 14, 1957! They are crib mates.
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Posted 2011-03-26 2:05 PM (#266020 - in reply to #152625)
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Ta Dah! Now they can exchange Birthday cards to each other every years as being crib mates or at least siblings (as one left the plant almost two weeks before the other).

I like a Happy Ending with Production VINs! LOL
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Posted 2011-03-26 4:40 PM (#266034 - in reply to #152625)
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At least, she find her sister, after 54 years, The beauty and the beast,

In 12 days they made 2833 cars LD2, and only 8 D500, must have been some problems with that Gammel dodge from the begining,

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Posted 2011-03-26 10:31 PM (#266060 - in reply to #152625)
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I guess re-stamping at the factory wasn't that rare then! My body plate has the paint code "X'd" out and restamped beside it. Plus the model code is mis-spelled...
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Posted 2011-03-30 10:52 AM (#266512 - in reply to #266060)
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Here is one of the refurbished spinner wheelcovers. Last weekend, I spread out all my wheelcovers and assembled the best eight covers with the best eight spinners. I cleaned everything up with steel wool and then painted the centers semi-gloss black. Then I painted the helmets with Amica clear yellow. Since I am a nut, I painted the eye slits with black and painted the rope and drape with Amica clear orange - it gave the emblem a gold-and-copper look that I kind of like (but it is not how it looked from the factory). I had thought about making the fish-scale armour copper too - but thought that might be too much!



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Posted 2011-03-30 12:31 PM (#266522 - in reply to #266512)
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Fantastic job, well done, Mike.

I wish I could see it in reality.

Really cool with the small details.
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Posted 2011-06-02 6:08 PM (#275137 - in reply to #152625)
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Hi Mike, I like to hear the musik from your engine, with that Hipower-cam, Please???
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Posted 2011-06-02 6:54 PM (#275147 - in reply to #265870)
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55BlueHeron - 2011-03-25 4:34 PM To add a wrinkle to this, in 1954 my parents' 1952 De Soto sucked a valve seat. The factory shipped a new engine without serial number, and the dealership stamped the original engine's serial number on the block. Thus, even with an engine replacement it still had matching numbers. It also means that a matching number car could have a dealer stamped serial number on it.

 This is interesting. but it`s not explain the strange 682, My engine is change somehow, but what??

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Posted 2012-03-17 12:15 AM (#312501 - in reply to #275147)
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Ok - a couple of new pictures of the Gammel Dodge...



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Posted 2012-03-17 9:19 AM (#312522 - in reply to #152625)
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Nice Pics of the Gammel Dodge. Looks even better in person. Ands sounds even better!

And in the last picture you can see the 58 Dodge Convertible is in fact, at Mike's house, and it shows I did in fact deliver the vehicle to him and not keep it for myself! Tempting I know.....LOL
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