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Location: Minneapolis | Yeah, this was a legitimate sub-model Coronet offered only in (of course) Texas. These were also offered in the 1956 and '57 model years. I doubt if any producton numbers were ever recorded.
Plymouth had an "Iowan" (of all states) available at one time. I saw one many years ago, I believe it was a '58. |
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Thanks for info. I have never heard about such "regional" cars. Was it only offered in one body type or full line of versions ? |
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I owned a 56 Texan 2HT with CRL trim. Originally an all white car, ithad been painted black, turquoise, and white. It had a white leather and B/W cowhide interior! As I understand it, they were customized by a group of Texas dealers, and were originally a macho response to the La Femme. Texans have been found as late as 1961 models. Whether these were "official" or not, I do not know. VERY LITTLE information is available on these. I know the parts book lists special trim parts for them till at least 58, but I never checked the books after 55-58. Anyone got one of these to reference?
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | The idea of Texan being a counterpart of LaFemme doesn't convince me. La Femme was introduced in 1955, and by '56 ChryCo must have already noticed that this isn't selling very well, so was it possible that they would take another risk with such narrowly addressed model ? But surviving until '61, or even '59 is somethung that suggests that there was someone who bought this...
The one on E-bay is described as re-upholstered, so we don't have evidence was it covered in cow-skin too.
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Location: Parts Unknown | The Texan has intrigued and mystified me for decades. According to some real live texans I spoke with, these cars were normal models shipped to a certain group of cooperating dealers IN Texas and subjected to mild modifications to make them "Texans". Any proposition on how they coordinated parts production with the factory seems really whacky to my business sense, but somehow, these cars were made specifically for the market IN Texas. La Femmes were sold through ANY Dodge that ordered one across the country. Such was not the case with the Texan. Man, I would love to see some explanatory literature for these, but it just doesn't seem to exist!
FINFAN, ... not sure what you are looking to be convinced of. These cars have been found in and around Texas. All originated there. Beyond that, we ain't got much info other than references in the factory parts books! What are you looking for ? |
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Well, I may be chasing my own tail with this. The La Femme was a failure in the range of country, so why the Texan wouldn't in only one state ? As it was said, there's no data for numbers of those cars made or anything else....it doesn't stick with the way the director of company would have thought "we've made a specialized model and it failed, OK, now we'll not experiment ". |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | have you ever seen the size of TEXAS------a whole lot bigger than a good bit of countries------i think being a major oil producer for the world in the early years-texans could get pretty much anything they wanted-even a factory appointed car---------------later |
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Location: Minneapolis | Weird... I am finding TWO different part numbers for the Texan nameplates in '59. Could this mean two different stlyes?
I'll do some digging on the Plymouth Iowan, I never heard of them until a write-up a year or so ago in The Plymouth Bulletin. Need to find that issue... |
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Location: Minneapolis | BTW-- I need to clarify. I had previously stated that I'd seen an Iowan years ago, I was speaking of the Texan.
I found a pic of the Iowan, I'll copy it and post it. Turns out it was a '57 with late model year style Belvedere moldings. |
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I am a native of Iowa, and I never saw a FL-era Plymouth with Iowan nameplates. They were never on the steets of my town, nor were they advertised at the local dealer. I also had an inside track with my late uncle, who owned the Chrysler dealership in Dubuque IA. He never heard of the regional Iowan model. My parents bought a '53 Dodge Coronet, '59 Plymouth Savoy, and '61 Dart Seneca from him. If Chrysler Corporation marketed a regional model specific to my home state, it is likely that I would have been among the first to know about it, even in my childhood. I just don't recall ever seeing that happen. |
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Location: Minneapolis | Well, the conditions here are too poor to take a digipic of the image of the Iowan. I'll try tomorrow.
Here is some of the text from March-April 2002 issue of The Plymouth Bulletin no. 253 as written by Jim Benjaminson...
First, on the Texan...
"On November 29, 1955, Dodge began selling a car dubbed 'the Texan'. It immediately caused a political uproar... the Texas flag on the emblems...turned out to be in violation of Texas law which prohibits use of the Texas flag on commercial entities." The Texas flag would be dropped from future nameplates.
On the Iowan...
"Although we're not sure just which model the Iowan is based on, it is probably the Belvedere. As shown, the car has Sportone trim... The only distinguishing exterior feature we can see is the badge mounted on the rear fender (sic). Consisting of an outline map of the state of Iowa, it is followed by the 'Iowan' script."
The Iowan nameplate is in lieu of a Belvedere nameplate. My guess is that since the Iowan nameplate is not listed in the MoPar Master Parts Catalog (as the Texan nameplates are) it was a non-MoPar piece farmed-out to an independent emblem maker by one or more Plymouth stores.
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Didn't they ever make a New Jerseyan? LOL Don't shoot me because I'm from Jorsey. We're not all bad. . . Right Bob?? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | FinFan ~ The La Femme was a corporate idea carried forward to production. The Texan was a local idea, with some corporate cooperation. Dodge had little at stake with the Texan because it was some dealers in Texas that did the "production work" to stock models to make them Texans. The La Femme was built special at the factory and all liability for the venture was on Dodge, not some distant dealers like the Texan. This also gave the dealers the incentive to do their own thing. As I stated before, I have been looking for original lit and info on this beast for a long time. It is quite the mystery still. |
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | I see. All that independence of dealers is shocking to a man from a country where there were no true dealers, there were only places where You could have bought a car, if only it was in stock ( usually not). No showroom, maybe some script on the wall in front. And You've had all those dealer installed accesories, and now even new models carried on. If "the central" haven't made any statistics or other papers, that we don't have them today, is it possible that they even didn't knew about Texan ?
I was wondering the same as 62Chrysler. Why only Iowan and Texan dealers would have made models for "their" people, every state should have done that After all, customers loved to have cars customized to their needs, why only with options, and not with custom model ? |
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I find it bizarre that Texans were made. Must be "that Texas spirit" ..... if you have ever been there, you'll know what I mean. Sort of an independent mindset among many there. I guess most state populations were just content with boring old Coronets, Royals, and Custom Royals, eh ??? !
Never even heard of this "Iowan" car mentioned here recently.
I do know that the Texan was listed for all sorts of parts throughout the 55-58 parts book. This is the factory parts manual, held by all parts dept's. in every Mopar dealership. Chrysler was very much aware of the Texan, but beyond supplying parts, I have heard they had no other involvement.
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Location: Tripoli, Iowa | I've lived here in Iowa for 45 years and have been to so many car shows I've lost count and I've yet to see an Iowan. Something new to me!!!! Would like to see one though. Pete.
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| I am a "new Texan", but I can remember the Dodge Texans since I was a kid, especially the 1956
model. I have been searching for a good '56 CRL example for years and located one a year ago
only to have it sold out from under me by a less than scrupulous owner. Down here in Texas, just
about every new vehicle is now offerred in a special "Texas Edition", especially trucks. There are
Texas Edition Dodges, F**ds, and Chebbies, and they are very popular!! I can also remember lots
of special, regional edition vehicles over the years like the Torino Northwester, and the Mustang
California Edition. This is nothing new--just the manufacturers catering to the regional pride of
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Location: Minneapolis | The La Femme (introduced mid-model year 1955) was a nationally available CRL sub-model, more than likely the first American vehicle ever aimed toward a "new" target consumer--female buyers. It actually had its own unique interior and accessories not shared with the CRL or any other MoPar.
Seeing how as Texas didn't join the union and the union joined Texas, Dodge obviously didn't have a problem with "granting" them a sub-model. Yes, as mentioned, MoPar definitely knew about the Texan as I find part numbers listed for them from MoPar 1956-59 in Master Parts Catalogs.
Attached are the pics I promised of the Iowan. Note that the scripted "I" has been broken off of the nameplate. The general look of the nameplate gives it the appearance that it may have been produced by a local/regional emblem maker. (Photos courtesy of The Plymouth Bulletin.)
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Location: Minneapolis | The La Femme (introduced mid-model year 1955) was a nationally available CRL sub-model, more than likely the first American vehicle ever aimed toward a "new" target consumer--female buyers. It actually had its own unique interior and accessories not shared with the CRL or any other MoPar.
Seeing how as Texas didn't join the union and the union joined Texas, Dodge obviously didn't have a problem with "granting" them a sub-model. Yes, as mentioned, MoPar definitely knew about the Texan as I find part numbers listed for them from MoPar 1956-59 in Master Parts Catalogs.
Attached are the pics I promised of the Iowan. Note that the scripted "I" has been broken off of the nameplate. The general look of the nameplate gives it the appearance that it may have been produced by a local/regional emblem maker. (Photos courtesy of The Plymouth Bulletin.) |
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Do you have any info on this Iowan beast ???? ! Was it more than just a tag ? Iowa lacks the rather dynamic profile that Texas has for that badge, doesn't it?
Having lived in Washington State most of my life, I am conjuring up a state profile with the word "Washingtonian" on it ! Maybe do it in a circle around the profile ?
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | The trim of Iowan looks very similar to '57 Sportone, expect for that it gets wider on both upper and lower rear part, not only the lower as Sportone did. Anyway, it looks quite nice, especially with those colours.
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Can you tell me what evidence you have for this statement?
The La Femme was a failure
I guess I am left wondering how you define a "failure"?
Was the Lancer a failure since they quit those soon after starting?
What about a 1960 Dodge Matador, was that a failure?
How about the DeSoto Adventurer? That didn't last long. In fact, more La Femmes were made in 1956 than Adventurers, so which is the failure?
The La Femme sold as well as it could have for such a NICHE market at the time. It was never meant to be anything but a "show car" styled advertisement for the local dealer to tout.
Remember that in 1955 and 1956, most families were SINGLE car families. A second car just for the wife wasn't that common. As a result, Dodge was marketing a car that was designed, first and foremost, to get women into the showroom, preferably with their husbands, in order to purchase the standard four door sedan, just like the Adventurer was marketed According to the dealer letters I have from Dodge, these La Femmes (and D-500's as well) were intended to be sold as a "class item" to prospects that could buy two cars or wanted something a little different. Professional women, two car families, etc.
I find it interesting that, from my research on these cars, most of the women that bought these new held on to them for YEARS. People, at that time, traded in their cars every three years or so. Most original La Femme owners seem to have held onto them until well into the late 1960's and early 1970's.
One of my La Femmes was a SINGLE OWNER car when I bought it. A woman that lived halfway between Tucson and Phoenix bought it brand new in Tuscon in 1956 and took delivery in June of 1956. She held onto that car until she died.
I think you might have had a hard time convincing her it was a failure.
The negative slant associated with the La Femme is one that is perpetrated by so called "historians" that are relying on production numbers to make their claims, without any knowledge of what Dodge was trying to do at the time.
Dodge was interested in selling lots of cars. Individual breakdowns were not important if sales were up. Hence the Texan. Dealers in Texas wanted something special and Dodge gave it to them.
For the record, I have information suggesting close to 1,500 La Femmes built in 1955 and 1,000 La Femmes built in 1956. Either year outsold the 1956 Adventurer.
Failure is a not an option for the La Femme.
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Location: Somewhere between here and there... | Also,
On the 1956 Texan...
I have pix of one somewhere, a 1956 model.
The 1956 models have Texan on the side of the car where the Coronet emblem would normally go and then crossed flags on the front and rear in about the same location as you would find D-500 tags.
I have only seen 2 door HT Texans in 1956. In fact, until that one showed up on Ebay, I had never seen a four door sedan based Texan from any year.
It's really no different than the regional models you see today on lots of cars though.
Lincoln is famous for it with their Town Cars. Palm Beach edition, Ft. Lauderdale edition, Congressional edition, Spinnaker edition....
Dodge followed the adage of "Give the customers what they want!".
The interior on the '56 Texan that I saw appeared to be a lot like the interior on the Golden Lancers, black white and grey cloth seats.
But I cannot be 100% certain the interior was original.
There is at least one factory or dealer promo photo out there of the '56 Texan 2-dr HT, with the cowgirls sitting on the fence posts admiring the rancher with the ten gallon hat in his Texan.
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | I agree with the special position of La Femme. Something adressed directly to women what wasn't an cosmetic is unusual too. And if some woman has bought it, I can understand her, that she kept La Femme long, the simplest reason is that there wasn't such idea anytime later.But I have read that the accesories that had to go with car ( the shoulder bag, rain coat and the compact for powder) were gone before the cars reached showrooms, and I also remember that there was something with rain shoes that were advertised but no one have ever seen them.
My statmet of failure is based on the time the La Femme was produced. Adventurer survived to the last days of DeSoto, no matter it was later turned into a four door car. It's the same way as Buick's Skylark, released as special commemorative model in 1953, produced in a few numbers also in 1954 and then dropped. If La Femme was selling so well, and it wasn't planned only for 1955, so why it disappeared after '56 ? Somoene killed the hen making golden eggs ? |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | If I remember the from the 55-58 Mopar Parts Book I have packed away, the Texan may have had its own level of engine as well?
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I don't think it was meant to be much more than a show room enticement. I don't think they ever expected it to be anything but a means of getting women interested in wanting a Dodge as a family car.
In any case, perhaps too many women complained about all the missing accessories that Dodge decided it was a hassle to try and make it really special and it got axed.
It's true though, most La Femme accessories disappeared long before they reached the customer. From what I was told by a Dodge dealer, most were lifted by people on the assembly line.
What annoys me is the number of so called "journalists" who focus on the 1955 version in Heather Rose and Sapphire White, which was a color combo. available on ANY 1955 Dodge, as the means to dismiss the car as simply trying to pander to women with a "pink" car, when the 1956 version, which had MUCH more thought and design put into it by Dodge, was done in two tone Lavender and was completely unique to La Femme and thereby discounts their entire argument.
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | FWIW I think I remember either reading or hearing an alternate story about the so-called ""missing" accessories for the "La Femme" model. The story as I heard it was Dodge cancelled the boots when it was realized that they would have to stock a variety of sizes in order to give each female buyer a pair of rain boots that fit her. Thus I don't believe the boots were ever offered, either for the 1955 model or the 1956. It may have been listed in the early accessory guides, but it is not unknown for accessories to disappear when the model is introduced. |
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Location: Minneapolis | Sorry Doc, I don't know anything more than what I've already said about the Iowan. It IS truly a mysterious beast. (I do know that the accessory ears of corn in the trunk never made it to the showroom, disappeared somewhere on the production line.)
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(Uh-oh, I smell a Femme fight!)
It's subjective, at best, whether the La Femme was a failure or not. It may have served it's purpose by steering overbearing wives' husbands to Dodge stores and settling on something more "sensible". Who knows. Fact is, though, if it WAS a runaway hit, like said before, it would have not been dealt a death blow after two model years.
"For the record, I have information suggesting close to 1,500 La Femmes built in 1955 and 1,000 La Femmes built in 1956."
Just curious what the source for this info was/is, I cannot find production numbers for this anywhere!
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RE: Rain Boots... The brochure for 1955 does list them, but they were NEVER offered. The official letter from Dodge to the dealers mentioning the price code and trim number to order does NOT list the boots as coming with the car. Neither did Luggage, as some have stated in other articles.
As far as failure...
Again, Dodge, from the dealer letters that I have in my possession, NEVER intended the La Femme to be a car that sold in huge numbers. It was a show car originally and based upon the reception it received in New York, Dodge allowed dealers to purchase them to increase foot traffic into the showrooms.
Provide for me a letter from Dodge discontinuing the La Femme due to poor sales and you might have the proof I am requiring.
I have the letters from Dodge indicating the "class item" status of the car. Class items are generally limited in production and meant for a specific type of buyer.
By the same reasoning, is the new F**d Thunderbird a "failure"?
Or is it a way to get people into F**d showrooms to buy Explorers, Tauruses and the like?
F**d put a lot of time and effort into a car that will only have a four year model run. Is it a failure?
Depends on what the intent was, doesn't it?
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Location: Minneapolis | Well, if you want to totally get off the subject, let's just say that the new T-Bird is definitely not a TRUE success. FoMoCo meant to build and sell these in limited numbers, but somewhere along the line (READ: unpredictable consumers), something got screwed-up. These things are languishing in sales lots, it's a REAL risky business to market instant "collectibles".
However, all these failure v. success comparisons really have nothing to do with this thread and anyone labeling the La Femme as less than what you describe it as is certainly NOT assaulting you or your vehicle! Just opinions...
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Location: Somewhere between here and there... | Regarding production numbers, I have an Ditzler paint bulletin accompanying the 1956 Regal Orchid and Misty Orchid color codes indicating a production of "about 1000 jobs".
I would wager Dodge supplied this information. You can argue that Ditzler pulled this out of thin air, but seeing as how Ditzler was able to release information on the approximate number of cars produced by Dodge in 1958 that were painted in an different shade of Sand Poly (300 in the earlier color), I think their information is fairly reliable.
According to dealers I have spoken to, every Dodge dealer was allowed to purchase only ONE La Femme per dealer, however, I also have a letter from Dodge division indicating that multiple La Femme orders would be accepted, at least in 1956.
The 1955 production figure is derived from a knowledgable dealer I spoke with in Salt Lake City, Utah who owned a 1955 La Femme since 1958 (he has since passed on and his wife still owns the car). He indicated that Dodge originally produced approximately 1,300 La Femmes in 1955 and 1,000 in 1956. This guy worked for Dodge since before he was married until right before he died (towards the end, it was an honorary title at the dealer, he didn't actually work there, but they gave him free business cards!). We do know that more 1955 La Femmes were produced than 1956 La Femmes so, again, these figures that I have quoted hold up further.
The problem in the past has been that many writers have relied on ONE MAN'S OPINION from a Feb. 1988 issue of Collectible Automobile to make their claims about failure, production, etc.
While the article does contain some great info., even the original author has since acknowledged the mistake he made in categorizing the La Femme as a failure. An assertion based solely on PRODUCTION numbers, which, at the time, were lower than previously thought.
Contrary to popular belief, these cars aren't THAT rare.
Within the last year I have come across ONE 1955 La Femme and FOUR 1956 La Femmes that I previously had never heard of or seen before.
How many "new" 1956 Adventurers popped up in the same time period?
Adventurers were being used as the same marketing scheme by DeSoto. Put out a hot car, make it limited production and get people in the showrooms to buy the sedans and regular models.
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I was just pointing out that special models, whether factory or dealer inspired, are still done today, cars are still being produced to bring people into showrooms regardless of actual sales figures and the La Femme doesn't seem that much different than the Adventurer in a lot of ways based on possible division intent.
I don't believe the La Femme was a huge success and I never claimed that it was. I just don't think it was a failure either.
I think it was strictly a shortlived marketing tool that was based upon the positive reception it received when it was just a show car.
Much like the Volvo YCC.
Hehehe!
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That pit in the southwest corner of the state outline looks like it's centered in Atlantic IA, about 40 or so miles east of Council Bluffs. That your neck of the woods? Oh, and I am a Davenport native now living in Georgia. My uncle was a Chrysler-Plymouth dealer in Dubuque up until about 1963. That Iowan badge is interesting on the car, but I never saw it in my area. |
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Location: calif | I own 2 1956 Texans,one hardtop and one 4door.they were basic Coronets with the 4 TEXAN badges which are pretty large+a small badge on the glove box door.
Anyone have any xtras of these badges?I'm missing a couple of them
would also like to buy a 57 texan,and perhaps sell the 4door '56 which is a hemi facty AC needing total resto.$4500.
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I sold a pair of those big dudes a couple years ago. If you do find any, you better snap them up! I got some serious coin for mine, and they were the only ones I ever saw that weren't stuck on a car.
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