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Location: Kingston Springs , TN | 57plymouth - 2009-08-13 7:31 AM
Hey McKenna, isn't there another photo that you should be posting for Nathan and me?
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Location: Surrey, BC, Canada | I picked up my rebuilt radiator and will be delivering my newly rebuilt E-Body 8-3/4" rear end (with relocated mounting pads) to the shop.
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Location: Netherlands | Today I started conversion of the 12" front drumbrake-system on my '62 NY wagon to a selfmade discbrake-system using 11.75" 1973 Chrysler rotors.
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Location: bishop, ca | Herman, if those are 12" x 2 1/2" brakes, like I think that they are, you definitely want to save them, as I know of several
people who need/want those big dog pieces!
Do you also have their brake shoes????
They can be re-lined with Firm Feel's carbon-metallic linings, and the drums be re-turned, if necessary.
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Location: Netherlands | The drumbrakes are indeed the 12 x 2.5" ones. The drums are worn-out though, and have now a larger diameter than the brakeshoes have, so the area the shoes occupy in the drum most be very small I think. Braking 'at speed' with this wagon can be very 'scary', as I've experienced a couple of times already on the highway.
The current brake-shoes grab the rightfront drum hard when cold and lock the wheel up immediatly. I can't even move the wagon around in my garage anymore 'normally'.
Although I've checked them out a couple of times, I think the brakeshoes might still be seperating and causing the lock up.
I had decided sometime ago already that I wouldn't be putting any more money in this brake-system, since the drums are worn-out and all and go for discbrakes instead. But I also don't want those puny little 10.75" discs which come in all those kits, I want the 11.75" ones. Since the 12" '73 Chrysler rotors are so cheap I'm really set at fitting a set of these on the stock spindles.
Surprisingly enough the same 12" drumbrake system on my '60 NewYorker work perfectly fine.
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, be sure to save the brake shoes, as they can be relined by Firm Feel, with the carbon metallic linings---and, since
your 60 NY'er undoubtedly has those 12x 2 1/2" brakes, you can send your 'spare' shoes to them, and test-install them
onton the NY'er when you getb them back.
Firm Feel needs to receive 'your' shoes in order to bond the new-modern linings onto them.
And, those 70-ish IMP disc brakes are supposed to be pretty-much bolt-on affairs, although you
may have to go get the special low-boy(profile) mid-60's dual-pot master cylinder, so that it will
fit under the over-hanging brake booster. Virtually all the other M/C's are too tall to fit under 'our'
brake boosters.
The low-boys are not particularly rare, but any salvage yard piece that you get will need to be
overhauled.
You might install the IMP's brake booster/master cylinder combination-unit, but, you won't win any
style points for doing so, at a car show.
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Location: Netherlands | Too late... 
These '73 fullsize Chrysler-rotors are only a bolt-on deal on '65 and newer fullsizers.
They don't fit older Chryslers at all without serious McGyvering, like I did this weekend on my '62 NewYorker wagon.
I've completed the pass.side for 80% now. Still need to find some allen bolts to hold the adapterplate better and finish/redo the booger welds I did today. |
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Location: bishop, ca | As far as retrofitting to FWDLKers goes, if 1965+ Bendix Duo Servo brakes are to be installed onto our cars, the lower control arms are ALSO
supposed to be replaced as part of that process, along with the brakes, backing plates and wheel spindles.
For 64-and-before Bendix Duo Servo (typically, for their 11x3" ) brakes installation on our FWDLK'ers, the L.C.A. does NOT have to be replaced;
the Bendix's are bolt-on deals for our FWDLK'ers, using the Bendix's drums, backing plates and spindles.
Therefore, I would expect that the 70's IMP disc brakes, IF they can be fitted to 1965(+) cars, would merely require the installation of the '65 L.C.A.
onto our cars in order to have our cars accept the IMP disc brakes.
Herman, that's not your 1960 NY'er, above here, is it?
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Location: Netherlands | Correct Neil, the pics above are of my '62 NY wagon.
You mention "IMP" brakes, as in Imperial? Imp's have a 5-on-5" boltcircle, that's not what I want. Or did you just mean the IMP-style brakes?
I've used these same rotors on my '65 Chrysler when I did a drum-to-disc conversion on it, but I also used the '73 spindles then. This was an entire bolt-on deal. The conversion on pre'65 cars involves quite a bit more work.
I'll start a new topic about this conversion.
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Location: Upper East Tennessee | I removed the seat out of my '57 firedome and ripped off the plain black seat cover revealing a beautiful color combination underneath.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | THANK GOD for napa ! i finally ran down all the brake line fittings to install my double pump master cylinder . man , there ain't no fittings in this town at all . just one of this and one of that . napa in bridgeport , ohio is twenty mins. away . not real far but far enough when you only need 2 fittings !-------------------------------------------------------------------------later
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Location: Vara Sweden | Here is some photos of the dodge 59 we have cut the roof of and make a conv
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Location: bishop, ca | Kent, where did you get the donor-convertible parts/pieces?
Also, what do you think that the 'retail' cost of this conversion would be, including
the purchase price of 'both' cars, and all the needed components, etcetcetc???
I know that you are going to do this job, yourself, and thereby save a LOT of dinero,
but I am curious about your thoughts as to what this conversion project might cost
someone who has to pay for almost-all of that work, himself (in regards/relation to the
car's post-creation retail-value, if 'you' were to sell it to someone, in its #1 condition?) .
Is it going to remain to be a Coronet, or something like a Super D500 Custom Royal?
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Location: Netherlands | Neil, I think the Swedes measure a car's value in relation to a car's "Fun"-factor when driving it.
A convertible means you have 2 cars in 1. And cruising around 'topless', you can't really put a price on that now can you? 
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Location: Netherlands | I see the pics are broken in my earlier post because I moved the pics around in my photobucket. (Why is EDIT-button removed after a while anyway? Nazi-tactics?)
Last weekend I finished the machine work and trial-fitting on the discbrake conversion on my '62 wagon.
This evening I started filling the brakesystem with brake fluid. I wanted to test the system with the old single MC first to see how the pedalpressure would be, but found I didn't have enough brakefluid left to complete the job.
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Rebuilt and installed a instrument pannel clock. ( now I just need to find a new reset adjust Hour/Min/Sec cable ) ....and replaced the old Motorola AM Radio with an upgrade Motorola model 857 ? ( the one with the illuminated selector buttons. ). |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Kind of WOW! Nice colours! |
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | Vincent.
WOW is right. It seems like only last week you were welding the floor. They sure didn't muck you around at the paint shop like usual. Well done!!! I can tell you you got some good fun ahead of you now! I wish I was there to help you reassemble it, those are good days!
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Location: Netherlands | Cool paint Vincent. What color is that?
Looks almost the same as I have on my '65 Chrysler 300 convertible, which has "Light Turquoise Blue" on it. A 80's or 90's color from Chrysler.
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Thanks guys !
I must say that yesterday was a day I had been waiting for for a few months now ...
FURY - 2009-08-27 12:30 AM
Vincent.
WOW is right. It seems like only last week you were welding the floor. They sure didn't muck you around at the paint shop like usual. Well done!!! I can tell you you got some good fun ahead of you now! I wish I was there to help you reassemble it, those are good days!
Are there many american cars in France?
Glenn.
Good fun from reassembly is just what I'm needin' !!!
There are some american cars in France ... Many imported from the US lately.
They were quite rare when new (there was more of them in Belgium).
BigBlockMopar - 2009-08-27 12:01 PM
Cool paint Vincent. What color is that?
Looks almost the same as I have on my '65 Chrysler 300 convertible, which has "Light Turquoise Blue" on it. A 80's or 90's color from Chrysler.
The color is from Nissan and is called "Greenish blue effect", and matches almost perfectly the "Arctic Turquoise" from the '58 Plymouth paint chips.
The white is from Ford and is called "Frozen White" (almost the same name as "Iceberg White" from Plymouth I was wanting to match !)
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Location: Australia | des5758 - 2009-08-24 4:49 PM
Here is some photos of the dodge 59 we have cut the roof of and make a conv
i just dont get it... 
was such a pretty car too...
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Location: northern germany | suburban61 - 2009-08-27 8:20 AM
des5758 - 2009-08-24 4:49 PM
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Location: Magra, Sweden | Polished a pair of front bumper extensions that arrived from California today. They where kinda dull but turned out real nice with some work, the chrome is a perfect match to the original chrome on my front bumper.
Anyone have a lead on the optional center section like the Royal I've seen?
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Location: bishop, ca | Thord, that lovely semi-matte appearance is the shade that I have seen on OEM Dodge bumpers, rather than the
mirror-like finish that we all see, on triple-plated 'show-finish' chroming work.
That mirror-finish is fine, on trim pieces, like hood ornaments, but for my money, and taste, I much prefer the appearance
of OEM non-mirror finishing, on bumpers.
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Location: Connecticut | On my 58 Plymouth: Replaced the driver-quality Jiffy Jet bag with a NOS one. Vacuumed the carpet, finally ! Attempted to install the cardboard trunk panels, realizing that I may not have the correct set for 57-8 Plymouth. Drove the car around town. It was a beautiful day, finally !
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Location: bishop, ca | Let us know/see what you did, in installing those liners, Ron.
I am convinced that the only way to install the cardboard liner, without damaging it, on the driver's side, is to remove
the fuel filler assembly.
What I did, a couple years ago, with a new-replacement set of G. Goers cardboard liners is, I carefully TRIED to maneuver the
driver's side around/behind the fuel filler tube, but, necessarily tore/ripped it somewhat in doing so . As I NEVER curse (yeah, sure),
I eventually calmed down and figured out that I could/should be able to repair the tear.
What I did, over the course of several days, was to apply Elmer's HD-glue to the tear, holding the sections together with vice-grips,
and using the Elmers as a sort of Bondo, to build-up and smooth over the failure site, until the cardboard looked essentially undamaged.
Elmers can be 'worked' with considerable efficiency, owing to its water-base and its slow set-up time (on the HD wood-working stuff).
Then, I visited my friendly Home Center and had them make up some custom latex semi-gloss paint which perfectly matched the Goers
color-shade.
Now, you can not-really see that it was ever torn---since I've got my car here at mi oficina, today, I'll PM Ron some shots
of it, to prove I'm not lying to ya'll, and he can post it/them, here.
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Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Kenny, give that poor engine a bath...........................Land'o'goshen that's dirty!!!! 
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Sven!
Just wanted to prove that torn-ripped cardboard trunk liners can be repaired, fairly easily, as I detailed, 4-posts above here.
BTW, that little-rip, where the trunk hinge hits the cardboard cut-out, is NOT the area that was ripped when I
was trying to 'fish' the two riveted-sections around/behind that never-been-removed-ever fuel filler tube.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Given how simple and easy it is to remove the filler tube, this seems like a no-brainer. Four little screws, twist and pull ! Reverse to reinstall .... maybe lube the tip when going back in to ease drag on the rubber seal ??
Me, I'm getting ready to pour foundations for the shop. THEN the cars go inside and we get to work inside while the snow piles up outside .... something Arne Nilsson told me was the secret to all those nice Swedish restorations. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Kent, thanks, I know that you'll do a beautiful job.
Brent: my car's still virginal in having never having had be removed the headliner, the dashboard, the windshield/back glass,
the door assemblies(?), rear axle housing, the gas tank, and the fuel filler.----that's about it.
With the OEM floor-pan mastic still in place, and the filler tube sealing nicely, I would be VERY reluctant to mess with R&R'ing the fuel
filler, unless it had already been removed, in the past, or was a beater/parts car, or, some 'expert' were assisting me in that operation.
As a 'doctor'(ahem), you must know that doctors do not want/like to operate on their own families.
I prefer the services of specialists, at least until I become comfortable with a procedure.
Failing the involvement of an experienced person, the Elmers/paint protocol is at least available, with little-to-no-risk to
the car, or, what little's left of my mental health.
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| We were in a parade yesterday, through Elizabethtown. Here I am next to a 59 Ford, getting ready
to line up and roll out.
Here is Andy and Barney's squad car... check out the license plate
Now now Ope, get back in the squad car and give Barn his gun back!!
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Location: Parts Unknown | Neil,
You live in one of the most majestic places I have ever seen. All I would need is a good professional excuse to move and we'd be neighbors. If I was just across town, I'd be happy to help you do a little minor surgery on that "beater / parts car" of yours.
The mastic is easy enough to refinish. So is the Au-vee-co.
Now, let me get back to my form building, so I can have a shop to invite you over to. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, you and any other FWDLK'er are certainly welcome here (some actually have visited).
Popping out the fuel filler tube seems to be the only way to install that cardboard liner, without damaging it. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | I was quite surprised the first time I removed one how simple it is placed in there. Just the four screws behind the gas door hold it in place. However !!!! ...... it does take some coaxing with a twisting movement to get it free. I have learned to run a tool around the rubber seal between the tube and the rubber, and to carefully run a knife around the edge up behind the gas door to minimize trouble. But, all-in-all, a lot simpler than I would have thought. The bottom just sticks through the rubber seal a few inches and rests there !
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Location: new york | Vincent Congrats! That arctic turquoise looks great , can't wait to see the car done Keep up the GREAT work!
Swen, your 57 Dodge is magnificent!!!!!
Kent your 59 is also looks like a big undertaking and keep us posted!!
Ron How about some photo's of the Plymouth on the road!
This web site is great and really shows the wonderful work and people that love these cars! I remember when I first got in to this hobby in the late 70,s I seemed to be the only guy into Foward look's having spent many years going to car shows and dealing with 55-7 Chebys and very rarely seeing anyone into or cars I'm glad there is finally some appreciation for these cars . HAPPY MOTORING! Victor.... |
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Location: Connecticut | Victor -I scoped out two nice locations within a mile of where the car lives. I'll post pics as soon as I get my act together.Ron
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | I attempted to start the Saratoga. Then I discovered a wire to the starter solenoid was disconnected. Ran out of time, so I'll have to get under there another day. 
But I did discover the heater/defroster fan, the lights, the horns and even the radio work! 
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | I got the Saratoga to fire up this evening. I simply turned on the ignition and shorted across the starter relay, so there may be an issue between the neutral button and the relay.
After I primed the carburetor, the old girl fired up, but it took the fuel pump a while to get the fuel to the carburetor.
Unfortunately, I had to shut the engine off because oil started leaking from the oil filter base. I messed up re-installing the can after changing the filter and gasket, but at least I know the oil pressure is good.
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| I cleaned the trunk out and lined it with trunk carpet I picked up at the local
auto parts store, then neatly put then contents back in. My trunk is already painted
that grey and green trunk speckle but dosent look the greatest when I goto shows
and they rate your trunk, mine is bare while others have theirs completely finished.
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