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hemidave
Posted 2014-01-06 2:51 PM (#420665 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-01-07 3:02 PM (#420833 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-01-10 3:37 PM (#421389 - in reply to #178862)
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Wayne Erickson and Tom Hoover of the Ramchargers have at it.....

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Posted 2014-01-10 3:58 PM (#421397 - in reply to #178862)
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Dave, what class were they running in; C/Gas?

When/where was the photo taken?


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Posted 2014-01-10 10:57 PM (#421466 - in reply to #421397)
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Dave, what class were they running in; C/Gas?

When/where was the photo taken?


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They ran B and C Gas...it was 1957 at a dragstrip near Detroit.
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Posted 2014-01-12 8:18 AM (#421631 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-01-16 12:54 PM (#422365 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-01-29 5:12 PM (#424733 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-02-03 1:01 PM (#425667 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-02-04 12:38 PM (#425822 - in reply to #425667)
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This 8mm footage was recently discovered and converted to digital. It was taken at Louisa Drag Strip in Louisa, VA on April 26, 1964.

The lead is a '60 Fury winning a race. There are a couple of FL cars like a '58 Belvedere at :40, but mostly what is shown are '63-64 super stock-type cars.

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Posted 2014-02-04 4:42 PM (#425865 - in reply to #425822)
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That's a great find!

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This 8mm footage was recently discovered and converted to digital. It was taken at Louisa Drag Strip in Louisa, VA on April 26, 1964.

The lead is a '60 Fury winning a race. There are a couple of FL cars like a '58 Belvedere at :40, but mostly what is shown are '63-64 super stock-type cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGhv5tIwkUg
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Posted 2014-02-04 7:36 PM (#425886 - in reply to #178862)
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The 60 PLY walks a 57(?) PLY, at the beginning, and then, later, gets walked by a Chubbie.

Then, that badass 62 PLY Super Stock walks an F-word Thunderbolt, after getting caught sleeping at the 'light'!

The Olde Vette was wicked fast, too.


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Posted 2014-02-08 5:42 PM (#426441 - in reply to #425822)
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This 8mm footage was recently discovered and converted to digital. It was taken at Louisa Drag Strip in Louisa, VA on April 26, 1964.

The lead is a '60 Fury winning a race. There are a couple of FL cars like a '58 Belvedere at :40, but mostly what is shown are '63-64 super stock-type cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGhv5tIwkUg



wow! thank you very much for sharing! that old big block fury at wot made my day!!!!!!
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Posted 2014-02-09 3:55 PM (#426555 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-02-09 4:45 PM (#426562 - in reply to #178862)
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The auther of the comment in the picture above is obviously not a fan of the 60 plymouth.

The first line reads "They dont have to be pretty cars either to compete"

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Posted 2014-02-09 6:41 PM (#426575 - in reply to #426562)
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ttotired - 2014-02-09 3:45 PM

The auther of the comment in the picture above is obviously not a fan of the 60 plymouth.

The first line reads "They dont have to be pretty cars either to compete"



Yea, they (NMCA) have never been kind to me in their magazine
That's an old picture, 2005 I think.
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Posted 2014-02-09 7:56 PM (#426589 - in reply to #426575)
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I am left to wonder what this douchebag would consider a "pretty" race car ?

Another jellybean NASCAR plastic decal blob ? An utterly awesome, never-seen Chevelle ?

The guy prolly can't wait to fart again, cuz he likes the smell of his own ass.

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Posted 2014-02-22 11:29 PM (#428543 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-02-23 11:05 AM (#428589 - in reply to #426562)
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ttotired - 2014-02-09 4:45 PM

The auther of the comment in the picture above is obviously not a fan of the 60 plymouth.

The first line reads "They dont have to be pretty cars either to compete"



yes but to be honest if i had never seen a fl car before it looks weird (to say the least) with that stance. fl cars are meant to be LOWERED.

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Posted 2014-02-26 10:35 PM (#429130 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-08 6:39 PM (#430427 - in reply to #178862)
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Nice 61 Dodge conv ready to race....



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Posted 2014-03-08 8:00 PM (#430434 - in reply to #178862)
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Really Kool looking 4+ y.o. convertible (in M.Y. 1965, at least).

He's got to have done something(s) to that car, to get it to 'run'.



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Posted 2014-03-09 1:55 AM (#430462 - in reply to #430427)
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Or is it a push car ?
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Posted 2014-03-09 9:17 AM (#430476 - in reply to #178862)
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Push car...or he has yet to remove his hubcaps.

There was a sixty-something New Yorker that ran at SIR a few years ago that was street driven, stock appearing, and very quietly ran it the mid-12s. That type of sleeper has always been my favorite, especially when they beat up on the ostentatiously modified cars.
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Posted 2014-03-09 9:57 AM (#430479 - in reply to #430462)
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Or is it a push car ?

Usually you had to remove your hubcaps if you wanted to race, although he could be doing double duty as a push car for someone also. It probably isn't a hi-po car, but he might just want to race in his own lower class.
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Posted 2014-03-21 12:55 PM (#432296 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-25 5:05 AM (#432912 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-25 10:45 AM (#432949 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-25 1:36 PM (#432981 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-25 3:15 PM (#432999 - in reply to #432981)
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Cool Pic Dave

Thanks Ron, there are some great sites/threads for 1950s-1960s drag racing.
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Posted 2014-03-27 10:41 PM (#433464 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-03-30 5:32 PM (#433857 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-04-18 9:38 PM (#436760 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-04-25 10:23 PM (#437889 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-05-01 9:45 AM (#438781 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-05-09 10:05 AM (#440048 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-05-09 11:02 AM (#440056 - in reply to #178862)
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Where is (was?) that taken?

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Posted 2014-05-09 11:56 AM (#440066 - in reply to #440056)
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Taken in the UK. That's one of our own crazies.
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Posted 2014-05-09 2:07 PM (#440080 - in reply to #433857)
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which issue?!
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Posted 2014-05-09 5:41 PM (#440087 - in reply to #440080)
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which issue?!

I tried to find the specific issue on "OldLife.net", which shows all issues and some details, and think it may have been in an article in the 7/2/1956 issue, but I'm not sure. I found the pic just surfing the net.
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Posted 2014-05-11 9:08 AM (#440280 - in reply to #420665)
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Posted 2014-05-11 2:04 PM (#440310 - in reply to #440087)
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which issue?!

I tried to find the specific issue on "OldLife.net", which shows all issues and some details, and think it may have been in an article in the 7/2/1956 issue, but I'm not sure. I found the pic just surfing the net.


thanks. i checked the cover. it gives no hint. maybe it was the april 29 1957 issue?



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skyhawk - 2014-05-11 8:08 AM

At Farmington Dragway near Winston Salem, NC yesterday. Ran 8.5 in the eighth mile. 440 power


Sweet!
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Posted 2014-05-17 9:15 PM (#441293 - in reply to #178862)
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Posted 2014-05-25 11:46 AM (#442210 - in reply to #178862)
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You never know where a FWDLK'er will show its pretty rear end.

This is from the 9/64 Hot Rod, and it shows a rare-now 57+ Chrysler stripper wagon (on the strip).

As this thread evolves (or is that: devolves) from the 'old photos' thread, I'll go post this photo,
there, to preserve the moment.

Note that the observer is standing by a car that may well have surrendered its own engine to the
'cause' of racing, sometime in the future.

The engine, in Jack Williams' rail, is described only as being a 392 (from something of the 57-58 variety).

And, note that the observer is either stone deaf (or soon will be).







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Posted 2014-05-25 12:29 PM (#442212 - in reply to #442210)
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This is from the 9/64 Hot Rod, and it shows a rare-now 57+ Chrysler stripper wagon (on the strip).


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The subject positioning of this photo creates a great composition, but the unusual focus
really sets it off. Someone really knew what they were doing.

Neil, how do you know this is a Chrysler and not a Plymouth, ... can you see more of the
car than we can here ?
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Posted 2014-05-25 4:21 PM (#442230 - in reply to #178862)
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Well, yaknow, I wondered about that chrome strip running along the top of the fin; that's a Plymmie designator?

Unsure about the bumper-end, too...but was recalling a certain moovee with a certain blonde actress and a stripper CHY
wagon in it.

This is the entirety of the photo.

That observer is NOT even reacting to the sound of that rail taking off!




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I have no idea if that is a Chrysler or a Plymouth. Just wondering if there was another
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were built for every Chrysler wagon produced, odds are against it being a Chrysler. But
you never know !
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Posted 2014-05-26 2:45 PM (#442320 - in reply to #178862)
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OK; crummy photo, but it appears that (stripper-) Windsor wagons have that nameplate on them...unless
the guy, above, has had its nameplate be 'shaved' from it---highly unlikely, though.

Where did the stripper-Plymmies carry their nameplates on them?




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