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Location: canandaigua, ny | any one know how many 56 suburban's were produces, I have one,,, was just wondering
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Location: Parts Unknown | Welcome !
Always good to hear from another 56 Dodge owner, .... especially another wagon. 
I can't answer your question though. Maybe Bill Watson will see this ? When all else fails, Bill can usually answer the question ! |
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Location: bishop, ca | I've got actual factory production numbers for 57 & 58, so, for comparison purposes, when you get the 56 'numbers',
there were 7,163 '57's built, and only 1,300 58's built (in that recession year, which was only 46.89% of the 57 total-
production; import & export considered), so, there was only 18.15% as many 58 2-dr wagons built as compared to their
57 counterparts, well less than the overall production decline might have suggested.
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Location: Finger Lakes NY | hey look at that another one in my neck of the woods welcome aboard!! |
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Location: canandaigua, ny | Hey doc,,, your not going to believe this, but it is red and white.... how do i insert a pic? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Go to where you would reply and at the bottom of the page you will see a box to click that reads "Attach a file after posting". Click there and then send your message. A page will automatically pop up where you can select pix from your files and attach. Do so, and then hit "send".
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Location: canandaigua, ny | well i need to figure out how to minimize the pic size,it keeps telling ne its too big |
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Location: DFW, TX | Here's the pictures he sent me. Good looking ride!
His notes-
"this is the car 7/07 rescued from the weeds"
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"this is the 9/20, put 400+ miles on it"
Sounds like it's a good driver too. What have you done to it so far to get it on the road? Thanks for sharing with us... love those 2dr wagons! 
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Location: canandaigua, ny | Well heres the story..
The family and i spotted this old wagon at this guys place who has a bunch of old junk corvettes.
I got out to check it out, my 12 year old daughter fell in love with it, well the rest is history.
Its been off the road since 1975.
We got the old 270 running, the 2 speed seemed to work ok so we made it drivable, brakes,wheel cylinders, lines, tires sect....
I put about 400 miles on it already, its a blast to drive.
we plan to do the interior first and leave the original paint alone for a couple years,( kinda a back words way to do a resto but its a cool conversation piece that way)
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Location: bishop, ca | Corey, 'doing' the interior, first, is fine!
On a non-driver/basket case the body can be painted, first, but on a driver, to heck with the paint appearance, initially.
Go drive and bond-to your ride.
NY-sunshine isn't going to hurt the fragile OEM paint work.
BTW, the OEM acrylic enamel paint has pigments in it, which CAN and will be removed by excessive abrasives in a polish
or in a (Dupont-type-) rubbing compound.
If you haven't yet 'attacked' the oxidized paint, try to use a 'polishing compound' as it will have less abrasive material in it.
Once the pigments are removed, the finish will look cloudy, and you can't restore the color, at that point.
Also, as a 'family' project, you can keep your eyes out for a OEM type or a suitable aftermarket (or, even a competing-
brand's, if it will fit)....roof rack assembly.
They're relatively rare finds, but really add to the appearance of a 'wagon', IMHO.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | thank u i will look 4 that!!! |
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Location: Missouri | Great lookin wagon ya have! Harold |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Am I seeing your pix right .... this car does not have the bolt-on chrome fins ?
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Location: canandaigua, ny | You would be correct, no bolt on finns but u do have a set that came with the car. Im not sure if
im going to install them.
This car also came with extra side chrome (2 door wagon only). the whole back was filled with spare parts,
2 extra 315's with powerflites.
BTW we went to a small local car show yesterday got the peoples choice award, my dauter thaught that was cool 
drive em...enjoy em
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Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Beautiful car. Makes me wish for a '55 tudoor wagon to go with my '55 (C)RL. Anyone interested in a '49 Plymouth tudoor wagon? I've got one spotted out in the higher plains on the East side of the Rockies in Colorado. 6 cyl. 3 on the tree, fairly complete and not real expensive by todays standards.
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Location: Parts Unknown | So, was this an original no-fin car ?
I have seen a few (very few) over the years. I have been told they are really early production. I like the look of the fins, myself. But the ones without are really rare.
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Location: bishop, ca | If this is a pre-mid-year build, it would not have a Paint/Trim data plate on it--without checking my records, they were 1st
installed in late-ish May, 1955, IIRC.
The P/T plate would confirm the car's 'Scheduled' build date.
Without it, or the factory's IBM build-card copy, we would have to extrapolate the build date from the car's VIN, and/or any
original purchase documents that might still exist On the car.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | There are no holes for the mounts in the 1/4s, so who knows.
I do have a set that came with all the spare parts but i dont think im going
to use them, i like the plain look.
As fare as documentation goes, i dont have any, and it came
from Florida in the 70s. I will get the fender tag cleaned up
and post it asap.
Thanks to every one for all the info.
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Location: DFW, TX | I also like the look without the fin caps, but with the pretty '56 side trim - and a 2dr no less.
Very interesting car! And yes, drive em enjoy em!! Even the beater wagons.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | Its a blast to drive i just wish i could make the 270 smoke the rear tires
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Location: Germany | wild440 - 2009-09-23 2:37 AM
any one know how many 56 suburban's were produces, I have one,,, was just wondering
hey! nice car - i know a Sierra kustom car in germany. I love these long cars and the place u have in it.
back to your first question, not specified by body types there were 142.613 Coronets built in 1956.
4-door Sedan, 2-door Club Sedan, 4-door Lancer Hardtop, 2-door Lancer Hardtop, 2-door Convertible, 2-door Suburban and 4-door Station Wagon called "Sierra"
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Location: canandaigua, ny | Hey thanks, its cool to see people in other countries like these old mopars too.
I did here from a guy on the internet there were 2025 2 door wagons produced in 56, but i cant confirm that. Either way its a cool old car and fun to drive
My family and i will start the restoration next year.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | I love these old wagons
Is your wagon also called a suburban?
Allot of cars sit in fields and garages covered up or waiting to be restored "SOME DAY"
drive them, stay excited about them enjoy them
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Location: Lakeland, Florida | I have a fairly extensive list of engine and VIN numbers for 1956 Dodges with build dates. I you can send me the Vin and engine number I can tell you within a few weeks of the actual build date.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Yes, the 2 door wagons were badged "Suburban".
I had a monotone grey one years ago that was a D-500 car. It had the strangest rust problem .... the floor just behind the driver's seat was just GONE ! .... leaving the rear quarter just flapping in the breeze ... very soft and flexible when the door was closed, etc. Otherwise, the car was really solid. It was as if someone filled that floor well with wet salt and walked away ! My ex HATED that car. Most times she was quietly neutral or dismissive with the old cars, but that one really pushed a button. 
After riding in Leslie Howard's La Femme a few years back, I decided to pick up a nice 56 Dodge, should one present itself. Strangely enough, one did not long after making the decision. A wagon, no less. D-500 too !
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Location: canandaigua, ny | I like the color combo sweet |
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Location: Missouri | Nice wagon, Doc! Didn't know that 56s had chrome fins available. They look neat! Harold |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Most had the bolt-on fins. It is very unusual to find a 56 without them. Early production, I was told by oldtimers.
I like fins, and therefore would not be attracted enough to own one that did not have them. I have a real beef with the pre-60 wagons (56 Ply excepted) having puny or truncated fins. Wouldn't the 57-59 wagons look awesome with with standard sedan / hardtop quarters on them ? The 56 Dodge with the bolt-on fins was about as close to what I like as the FL wagons ever got.
There is a BIG difference between liking a car design and liking it so much you would actually want to spend the cubic dollars to own and restore one. I like just about any pre-1970 car on its own merits, especially the FL cars. But since I never got a trust fund, I have to be pretty picky about just what is so cool I gotta have one. The rest, I enjoy as someone else owns them. For their interest and devotion, I am eternally grateful. Otherwise, many cars would never get saved. I enjoy them all. That is one reason I enjoy this group ... the team we all play for in preserving this history, whatever part we play.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | im looking for a drivers door panel, i need the stainless trim for the new panels
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Location: Australia | d500neil - 2009-09-25 3:48 PM
Corey, 'doing' the interior, first, is fine!
On a non-driver/basket case the body can be painted, first, but on a driver, to heck with the paint appearance, initially.
Go drive and bond-to your ride.
NY-sunshine isn't going to hurt the fragile OEM paint work.
BTW, the OEM acrylic enamel paint has pigments in it, which CAN and will be removed by excessive abrasives in a polish
or in a (Dupont-type-) rubbing compound.
If you haven't yet 'attacked' the oxidized paint, try to use a 'polishing compound' as it will have less abrasive material in it.
Once the pigments are removed, the finish will look cloudy, and you can't restore the color, at that point.
Also, as a 'family' project, you can keep your eyes out for a OEM type or a suitable aftermarket (or, even a competing-
brand's, if it will fit)....roof rack assembly.
They're relatively rare finds, but really add to the appearance of a 'wagon', IMHO.
dont listen to neil... stay away from roof racks, they are bad and ruin the lines of the roof... adriana |
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Location: canandaigua, ny | If I had a surf board to go with the roof rack, that baby would be on my WAGON!!!!
well this photo is supposed to go on the above post, oops
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Location: bishop, ca | Going back to Brent's comment, above, about how nice the various 57-59 wagons would look, with their standard
'sedan' fin treatments on them, the simple reason for the foreshortened wagon fins, for all of those years, was
corporate profitability.
There was a standard station wagon quarter panel which was interchangeable, and, I have heard, long ago (probably at a WPC Club national meet, in Detroit, during an evening speech-presentation by a former corporate employee) , that just about the only body panel that Exner ever individually designed, was the station wagon rear doors, which were also interchangeable among the various models.
They didn't really make very many of them, relatively speaking, during the late 50's, but, the wagons were probably very profitable to produce, owing to the commonality of their shared body components.
If someone really wanted to, he could custom-install dedicated 'sedan' fins onto a wagon.
And, the '56 Dodge wagons REALLY needed those chrome fin-tops to be installed on them, in order to differentiate them from their otherwise virtually identical '55 brothers.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | just an update, the seats and door panels are at the apolsterer getting done, the floor paches are done.
Im going to laeve the body as it is, i like the "barn fresh look".
I thought this car was more solid than what it is---the sand blaster showed a different story---
the tin work is taking a little longer than i thought.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2009-09-25 12:48 PM
Corey, 'doing' the interior, first, is fine!
On a non-driver/basket case the body can be painted, first, but on a driver, to heck with the paint appearance, initially.
Go drive and bond-to your ride.
NY-sunshine isn't going to hurt the fragile OEM paint work.
BTW, the OEM acrylic enamel paint has pigments in it, which CAN and will be removed by excessive abrasives in a polish
or in a (Dupont-type-) rubbing compound.
If you haven't yet 'attacked' the oxidized paint, try to use a 'polishing compound' as it will have less abrasive material in it.
Once the pigments are removed, the finish will look cloudy, and you can't restore the color, at that point.
Also, as a 'family' project, you can keep your eyes out for a OEM type or a suitable aftermarket (or, even a competing-
brand's, if it will fit)....roof rack assembly.
They're relatively rare finds, but really add to the appearance of a 'wagon', IMHO.
All paints have either pigments or dyes - that is how the paint gets colour. We see reflected light, thus when we see a red rose we see the light reflected from the rose in the red spectrum. Which is also how white can be all colours and black none. And also why black cars get so hot (light not reflected from the surface) and white the coolest. Pigments are chosen for the colour of light they reflect.
A layer of paint applied to a vehicle will have paint pigments through the layer. Thus when paint gets oxydized you need to remove the thin layer of oxydized colour to reveal the paint and its pigments below. A rubbing compound has the most bite in removing paint and usually is the choice in removing the oxydized layer. If you use a rubbing compound and go too far, it's not the pigment that has been removed, it is the paint layer. Did that on an old Studebaker once - went through the dull repainted layer into the nice shiny factory layer.
A polishing compound is less abrasive than a rubbing compound but can be used to remove light oxydation without fear of removing the whole layer of paint. It also does a nice job on slightly weathered paint.
Straight polish, on the other hand, is the least abrasive of the three. It generally does not do a good job in removing oxydized paint, but it does do a good job making it all shine. Polish generally can used without fear of removing the paint layer.
So, it you have a 'barn-find' car a polishing compound would bring the colour back by removing light oxydation and surface blemishes. And once that is done, a good polish will bring a nice shine to the paint and help protect the paint from damage (sun, bird droppings, road oils, tree sap, etc.).
When using a rubbing compound, polishing compound or a polish, you will find your rubbing cloth picking up the colour of the paint. All three will do it, but the polish will remove the least of the paint layer. And that is how a layer of paint or colour can "disappear".
One aspect of older paints (enamels and lacquers) is "bleeding". Reds were noted for this and when looking at older paint chip charts you will find some colours labelled as "bleeders". If a layer of paint is not sealed properly the pigments in the "bleeder" layer may react with the solvents in the layer being applied and affect the colour of the top coat. Your new layer of white paint thus might land up with some reddish areas.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | i used a cleaner wax ans a buffer, the car is not perfect but looks ok
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Location: Ny | The red is definetely brigher! I love your wagon, and look forward to seeing more updated pictures as you progress!
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Location: Mishawaka, IN. | that is yet another KOOL wagon and a 2dr way KOOL. I'm with you on driven them and enjoying them.
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Location: canandaigua, ny | body tag info...
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my only question is ??? is this a factory 2 tone ??
either way it is going to be turquoise and white when done
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Location: Farmingdale NJ | Well, Well, Well, Finally another 2 dr 56 Suburban. I was feeling pretty lonely here. Thought I would never see another! Even at Carlisle a couple years ago (last time I went)..,there were'nt any. Keep posting, I would love to discuss anything you want. |
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Location: canandaigua, ny | i tell every one that looks at it to look close cuz it is probabley the last one they will ever see . Im going to drive the old girl to carlisle for the mopar show. this summer, cant wait.
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a guy from nyc im'ed me, there is one there too.
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Location: Parts Unknown | There are at least four of us 56 Dodge wagoneers here on the site, ..... we three and that guy in Alamosa. But I can "feel" the high falootin' snootiness of the 2 door owners looking down on us commoner 4 door owners !
Where you been, Bob ? How's your car coming along ?
I once owned an all grey D-500 Suburban, that I sold complete and running, so unless someone else parted it out, there is at least one more out there somewhere !
56 Dodge wagon owners, UNITE !
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Location: bishop, ca | ...thought that you weregonna SELL your wagon, Doc....?
OEM Dog Dish, or baby-moons would look good on that car.
On a 2-dr wagon, I'd install a bit of eye-candy under the hood, in the form of a vintage-
looking/style intake, and a couple-few Strombergs, along with twice pipes.
Are there vintage looking glass packs, like Smitty's or Cherry Bombs, or, do all of
the G.-P.s look (if not, necessarily SOUND) alike????
I also wonder if black-walls, along with the mini-covers, would give the car a bit of an
attitude?----wheels should be white (right?) along with the black-walls?
Or, maybe black-on-black, with the Babies?
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Location: canandaigua, ny | So this is the scoop, i thought wagons were kinda cool cuz you never see them, but never went beond that, well we found this one and i would have to say
its one of the coolest car i have ever had, DIFERENT and i like different. My wife lets me spend money on this one and all 3 of my girls love this old car too.
2 or 4 doors it doesnt matter, cool none the less.
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Location: Parts Unknown | My bent on cars always leans to the weird or unusual. Just about anything will overrule a Chevy or Ford .... just too common, a wagon overrules all but maybe a convertible. Hudsons, Studebaker, DeSoto, etc. .... all good things. There are limits. A 56 Nash is just too ugly for even a mother to love !  But would still rather see one of those going down the road than another Chevelle or Nova.
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