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1957 Dodge Sierra Station Wagon
This Sierra was the top of the line wagon for Dodge in '57. It's backwards facing third seat allowed the car to hold up to nine passengers.
- Glacier White and gallant Gold Poly with Gold and Black interior
- Approximately 32,000 (including all Dodge station wagons) produced
- 325/245 HP engine
- Push button Torqueflite transmission
- Stromberg two barrel #WW3-149 carburetor
- Power steering and brakes
- Push button radio
- Spinner hubcaps
- Dual outside rearview mirrors
- Heater
- Whitewall tires
- Two tone paint
Mecum - '57 Heaven Museum
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1957 Dodge Coronet Convertible
- Ice Blue and Glacier White with two tone Blue interior
- White power top
- Total production "all" '57 Doges 257,488
- 325/245 HP engine
- Push button Torqueflite transmission
- Single two barrel carburetor
- Power steering and brakes
- Push button radio
- Whitewall tires
- Full wheel covers
- Dual outside rearview mirrors
- Heater
- Dual exhaust
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | And Another.............
1957 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer Convertible
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This car features the rare "Super D-500", adding some major muscle to the car. Dodge produced 257,488 vehicles in 1957. This number was not broken down by models.
- Flame Red and Glacier White with Red and Black interior
- White power top
- Super D-500 325/310 HP Hemi engine
- 3-speed push button Torqueflite transmission
- Dual four barrel Carter WCFB carburetor
- Power steering and brakes
- Dual outside rearview mirrors
- Twin rear antennas
- Push button radio
- Tinted glass
- Spinner hubcaps
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Thank you, kind SIR!
If any 4-sale cars merely have their sites be referenced on this board, their actual visual images and descriptions will become
lost when the site is eventually removed, unless the images and the sale details are posted here, for posterity.
Edited by d500neil 2009-09-23 6:26 PM
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Location: bishop, ca | Except for the mis-painting of the Coronet's dashboard (it should be all-one color, or, the upper section might be darker
than the rest of it, but, it definitely should NOT appear in that CRL-only "Sandwich" color style, and, its insert-areas shouldn't
be black, but could be the color of the top of the dash---depending upon the Broadcast Sheet's info on it)....the Coro's interior
does look to be correctly done.
The CRL's interior is a mess and will require $2k+ to restore to OEM. It has 57 hardtop cloth in it, and the door & quarter panels
should be plain black, just like the station wagon's doors, and, there should be no black-vinyl center section in the seats, but,
the rear arm rests should have been all-black; not all-red.
The steering wheel should look like the station wagon's Ivory-black appearance; not painted in bone-white; the dash's middle
area should also have been painted in an ivory shade, not bone-white.
This car may well have been a real D500, but it is not an OEM dual-carb Super D500; the re-popped fuel lines and the wrong
coil installation give that away; the Supers got a special driver's side valve cover, with a unique coil bracket brazed onto it.
The gold painting of the air cleaners is merely a give-away, but, they could have been repainted (black-) OEM guys,
without decals on them, too.
I'm really curious about whether the carbs have any brass tags on them, and what those tags might confirm about their
application(s).
The hood underside indicates that this car would not have had any OEM undercoating applied to it; seems unlikely, but
the Coro, too, has a similar 'naked' hood underside.
Finally(?), the car seems to be missing its Paint/Trim data plate....they're easy to misplace, during a 'restoration'.
The best thing about the red/white car's interior is: the owner wouldn't have to worry about damaging or
wearing-out a valuable OEM interior; not that the car will probably get to be driven around, very much.
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| Hi Neil
Are those air cleaners correct except gold color?
On the 57 Desoto Adventurer, the passenger side has the special coil bracket welded to the valve cover. Are you saying the Dodge is on the left?
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Location: Sept. 1958 | d500neil - 2009-09-23 6:50 PM
This car may well have been a real D500, but it is not an OEM dual-carb Super D500; the re-popped fuel lines and the wrong
coil installation give that away; the Supers got a special driver's side valve cover, with a unique coil bracket brazed onto it.
The gold painting of the air cleaners is merely a give-away, but, they could have been repainted (black-) OEM guys,
without decals on them, too.
I'm really curious about whether the carbs have any brass tags on them, and what those tags might confirm about their
application(s).
This CRL Convertible was owned by the guy who I bought my 58 Plymouth Convertible from. I thought he told me it was a Super D-500. Nice guy, also owned at one time a 300F Convertible and some other fine FLs. |
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| On that wagon . . . I'd like to know what the original colors were, if they were different. That's a "Saddle Trim" spear, stem to stern, so I would expect it to have ROOF-DECK-LOWER paint scheme, with the roof and lower body the same color. And then the tailgate usually (or always?) will be in the roof color. Authentic or not, I have to say I really like this color combination.
For these cars they really need to show MORE and BIGGER photos!
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Jim; originally, as in the 1957 Dodge factory Engine Brochure, and, as also seen in the 2/57 issue of M/T, in an early-production 57 Fury quickie road test, those black (I call them:) "Stubbie" air cleaners were apparently designated and/or ordered for early model DOD/PLY dual carb installation.
But, at some relatively early point, they were relegated to only-Adventurer service, and the Adventurers even needed to have the passenger's side hood brace be flattened down a tad, to create enuf room to accomodate the physical bulk of them.
That space/size continuum may have been a reason that they weren't used on the DOD/PLY's, but, the 300-type (I call them:) "Snorkle" air cleaners (such as seen on this red/white car) were used on subsequent Furys & Super D500's, but, on the Dodges, they were painted gloss black.
I didn't know that the Adventurers also had a special coil bracket be brazed onto the valve cover, but, in their instance, on the passenger's side, compared to the Dodge's driver's side V.C. attachment.
The Furys had the coil bracket be mounted to the intake manifold, and a lot of fake Super-D's will have the coil bracket be installed there, or even on the firewall, where the power brake booster would be installed (if the car has manual brakes).
Matt, I had believed that the red/white car had been owned by a man who lived in the Mountain-Western states. I've got photos of that car, when it had red/white vinyl tuck-n-roll type interior, with a single-4 carb, and the engine was painted a sort of darkish blue-gray.----Dunno, 4-sure, if 'that' car is 'this' car, or if 'your' car is 'this' car, but 'this' car is not, or at least, HAS not, any Super D500 specific equipment on it, like, the fuel lines, or the special V.C. coil bracket.
Again, I don't know what this car's carb tag-numbers might be, but they should have not ONLY the correct carb-numbers, but they should be date-coded to the car's build date.
'This' car's P/T plate, Broadcast Sheet &/or IBM card-copy will confirm its D500 provenance, but, curiously, 'this'
car's P/T plate appears not to be attached to the cowl panel---at least, it doesn't appear in the auction-pics.
Sparky, no auction company really wants to provide TOO much information, on a car, and, a lot of times, their only 'information' is that which they readily-accept, from the seller, as being the truth, and/or accurate.
The museum's former curetor, Bob Schmidt, is an excellent restorer. I have no idea how much effort he
made in creating 'this' car's present appearance, but, it wouldn't have taken much research to confirm
that the Dodge air cleaners are supposed to be black, and Bob certainly knows what the fuel line is supposed
to look like, connecting to the front and the rear carbs.
That unusual "low-U-shaped" fuel line's configuration appears to have resulted from the present position/direction of the oil filler tube, which is pointing off toward the passenger's side of the engine. It should be common knowledge that the oil filler tube's position can be changed by its mere rotation and/or removal-re-insertion into the engine block, facing the (proper-) driver's side of the car.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | d500neil - 2009-09-24 12:54 AM
Matt, I had believed that the red/white car had been owned by a man who lived in the Mountain-Western states. I've got photos of that car, when it had red/white vinyl tuck-n-roll type interior, with a single-4 carb, and the engine was painted a sort of darkish blue-gray.----Dunno, 4-sure, if 'that' car is 'this' car, or if 'your' car is 'this' car, but 'this' car is not, or at least, HAS not, any Super D500 specific equipment on it, like, the fuel lines, or the special V.C. coil bracket.
He lives in Minnesota so it maybe the car you have photos of. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...That's the one!
It IS a small MoPar world.
Hate to think it, but it may have been B. Schmidt who installed that interior, into 'this' car.
Its door panels can be put into a CRL 2-dr, only.
Because the front seat has that fluted-black center area/panel, that section would have to be replaced with a red section
before the seat coverings could legitimately be installed on a 2-dr HT.
The rear seats are uniquely-sized for a convertible, so their upholstery might be usable on a 2-dr or a 4-dr HT, if/when the
fluted-black center area might be replaced with a properly-sized red section, to fit to a hardtop model.
The door and quarter panels will have to be made up, from scratch, by SMS----hmmmmm; I'm wondering if this car's restorer
merely stitched-in the 'physical' seat cloth, into the door panels, because the OEM-finish involved PAINTING the cloth-pattern onto
vinyl, and, that technique, today, would be VERY difficult to replicate.----unless the restorer happened to score a good set of
painted-vinyl door inserts (or, complete OEM assemblies; sure!) , and had them be attached to the SMS-produced surrounding red-vinyl areas, complete with those lower Mylar ovoid-appliques.
Edited by d500neil 2009-09-24 5:23 PM
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Location: Kingston Springs , TN | Saw all the cars at 57 Heaven today in association with the 300 Club Meet..
Absolutely stunning cars!
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Location: The Mile High City | The first picture of the wagon appears to be taken at the Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs. I wonder if the car has a Colorado connection? I had never seen it before. |
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Location: bishop, ca | 57 Heaven was originally established in Palm Springs, CA ; the pic of the wagon was probably taken around that area,
before the place was relocated to Bransonville, MO.
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona | They were here in Az. for a time as well - I know that the DeSoto pics were taken in the Phoenix area.
The Sierra pic is most likely near the Red Mountain freeway, near Scottsdale way. |
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Location: bishop, ca | ..That's funny (and true, apparently), because I started to list-off all the various parks in the P-town area where this
photo could have been taken, and then remembered that the Museum was created in Palm Springs!
What is the name of the park-area around Camelback Mountain?
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona | Couldn't tell ya, Neil - my 'stead is approx 35 miles west of downtown Phoenix and I can't afford to drive anywhere these days withou getting paid at my destination. 
Closest park to CB mountain I'm aware of is Highland park, around 22nd St. and Highland - 'bout 1/2 a mile south of Camelback Road and about 5-6 miles SW of Camelback mountain. The Sierra pic looks to be at the "Red Mountains" on east Indian School Rd. - a formerly desolate area that was, more or less, the unofficial boundary between the Phoenix Metro area and west Scottsdale
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Location: bishop, ca | Thank you, Mike!!!
Oh, well, the Coro is the better restored of the two cars, as its interior is correct except for the carpeting (looks to be a loop pile instead of black rubber mats) and the dash panel needs a complete make over, and the steering wheel is way-wrong painted.
Biggest disappointment is that carpeting, unless its installed over the rubber floor mats; the dash & s/wheel can be re-done.
Veddy innerestink, what B. Schmidt (probably) said, in describing the red/white CRL, which "features the Super D500....adding major muscle..."; he makes no claims that the two 4-bbls was OEM, or optionally-installed on the car, originally.
Mike PM'ed me with contact info on the museum's current curator, so, hopefully, I can get P/T info on the three cars, including that s/wagon.
Thanks, again, Mike!
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Location: Kingston Springs , TN | d500neil - 2009-09-28 1:33 PM
Thank you, Mike!!!
Oh, well, the Coro is the better restored of the two cars, as its interior is correct except for the carpeting (looks to be a loop pile instead of black rubber mats) and the dash panel needs a complete make over, and the steering wheel is way-wrong painted.
Thanks, again, Mike!
Yea, I think it's loop pile...As for the mannequins..who knows!!!! |
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Location: bishop, ca | ..They DO look sorta Loopy..
Little Latin Loopy-looo..king.
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1957 Dodge x3 from 57 Heaven
