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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | US Ebay in ... Perkinston, Mississippi,
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Welcome to our auction!! First off, I am selling this vehicle for my Father as he knows nothing about computers and I know nothing about this car. With that said, PLEASE e-mail with all questions so they may be responded to promptly.
1957 Desoto Adventurer
50% Restored Car
345 Hemi Engine Rebuilt engine - It is 0 miles NOT the 100000 stated above
Parts are included for restoration (Please inquire if you are curious about specific pieces)
All sales are FINAL. Buyer is responsible for pick-up and/or arranged delivery for vehicle. Please ask all questions before bidding and or buying.
The successful high bidder will submit a $500 Deposit deposit within immediate of the close of the auction to secure the vehicle. Buyer agrees to pay remaining balance due (plus applicable fees and taxes) within 7 days of the close of the auction. All financial transactions must be completed before delivery of the vehicle. Winning bidder must contact us within 24 hours of auction closing.
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Location: The Mile High City | Did the Adventurer's have a 150mph speedometer? |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | If not all, most did, the dash has a 58-style dash mirror placement so that's probably what it came out of. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | If this is a 345 Hemi why do the valve covers say Chrysler Firepower ? |
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Location: Scotland | in '57 they only came in gold and black or white and gold so a red dash wouldn't be right and the Adventurer had the 150 mph speedo. |
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Location: Grenoble - France | Looks like the trunk lid is also missing the little holes on its top for the Adventurer-only trim ... (looks like more a Fireflite with a Chrysler engine to me ...). |
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Location: New Castle PA | I agree with Imp58Alpes -- car looks like a Fireflite. Certainly has a 1958 dash w/120 MPH speedo instead of 150, and has a Chrysler engine (NOT a 345 as advertised). Yes, missing trunk strips, etc. Car has potential for someone, I'm sure, but appears to be mis-advertised. |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | Hey Ed...
As our NDC 1957 Model Year Co-ordinator, why don't you ask the guy for pictures of the Body Plate and the body serial numbers?
You might also ask him for the engine ID number as well.
We might as well know if its a 331 or a 354 (or maybe a 301 with hemi heads) in the car..... |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | I've already asked the seller those same questions, and waiting to hear back . |
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Location: New Castle PA | Yes, DeSotohead (and imopar380), I've also asked the seller for the details on the car. No reply yet. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Ah, the engine/VIN & P/T plate info: the BANE of cloners!!!
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Location: New Castle PA | Seller has posted questions from several people, and DID respond to me. He admitted the engine is from a Chrylser (then why does the ad say 345 DeSoto hemi?), but did not send the VIN nor cowl tag info, and no explanation for the lack of trunk strips, etc. which would distinguish an Adventurer. I'm guessing the body IS from an Adventurer, though, since I can see door panels with material that is truly Adventurer, and the steering wheel is Adventurer. He also said he has 3 instrument panels, including the correct one "but wanted a red dash and the mirror mounted where it is". Very odd, indeed, if the car is as rare an an Adventurer. Still, it's HIS car and he's allowed to do that (but then why say it's his dad's car and he knows nothing about it?). Something very fishy there. Buyer beware. I do think the body is Adventurer, but it's a mish-mash of other parts and if you were truly to put it back to original it will take some parts-chasing. Oh, and he says he has the carbs and air cleaners, but I assume he means from the Chrylser engine, not from the 345 DeSoto engine. I've asked again for the cowl tag... |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...also makes one wonder what-lies-beneath all that pretty body paint, too.
Isn't there/aren't there floor pan 'section-lines' visible, too?
Edited by d500neil 2009-11-21 7:02 PM
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | Neil.....
Based upon your comments (I think I see some too, now that I examined the pictures in more detail), methinks to wonder what bondo might lurk behind the primer?
Maybe this is a put-together of SEVERAL cars, so the Adventurer stuff is from one, while major body pieces/frame could be Fireflite from another car or two (hence the trunk missing the Adventurer only holes in the sheetmetal)?
If this is true, then now the VIN and P/T plate becomes more critcal of how much real Adventurer is in this vehicle!
Hey, its at least a better "clone" than the guy selling the 1957 Adventurer made from a Firedome, where the backlight glass/body area wasn't even near correct!
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Location: New Castle PA | Could be my imagination, too, but doesn't it look like the photo showing the wheelcovers has been purposefully "smudged" and blurred via computer modification? Maybe they're all dented up and he doesn't want to show that?! Blow up that photo and you'll see what I mean... |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | 57desoto - 2009-11-22 1:38 PM
Could be my imagination, too, but doesn't it look like the photo showing the wheelcovers has been purposefully "smudged" and blurred via computer modification? Maybe they're all dented up and he doesn't want to show that?! Blow up that photo and you'll see what I mean...
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | To find a correct, COMPLETE engine including the intake (not to mention the carburetors/air cleaners), and have it properly rebuilt, would cost a BUNDLE...and I for SURE wouldn't put it into a questionable Adventurer body. I have a 100% correct/rebuilt 57 Adventurer engine in my redone 55 Avitar (except for shortened air cleaners), and it's probably worth more than the rest of the car... |
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Location: Grenoble - France | The wheel covers' picture is genuine I think. Dust and camera flash don't like each other (that said, dust can hide all the dents, though ...). |
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Location: Parts Unknown | There is more ca-ca going on here than might be immediately apparent. First of all, why is trim being hung back on the car when gold paint has yet to be applied ? This suggests to me that this is something of a "rush job", and rarely does this bode well for the rest of the clues.
Also, note the total lack of any attempt to mask the wheel wells (or anything else) from white paint ! The entire underhood area is as white as a polar white-out ! Talk about make a lot of extra work for yourself ! Add in red dash, 58 no less, non Adv decklid, Chrysler engine, and who know what else and at the very least this is a dubious claim for being an Adventurer.
On the plus side, it does appear to be a complete pile of parts to assemble what would be a top-shelf example of the Forward Look ... although it may take some years and work to get it all right, one could enjoy it as they tweak it ?
It does have the special power seat floors.
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Location: N.W. Fla. | Probably should ask for the use code off the block to see if it is a 300 engine, or just a made up thing. |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | George....
If you read the comments in the listing where people (including Forwardlook and WPC members have requested information), the seller just doesn't address those things.
This makes me MUCH more leery of what this supposed Adventurer really is.
Also, he didn't even answer as to what the 20% missing was either.
My guess is its a put-together collection of Fireflite parts with some Adventurer items that someone picked up with intention of making a clone, but was unable to get all necessary pieces.
As I can attest to, owning a "rough" 1956 Adventurer I acquired, you just can't find parts easily for these cars.
So you make do with taking rough chrome and stainless pieces and refurbishing them at sometimes great cost.
Some parts are only 56 Adventurer, like the batwing plenum and the suspension.
So maybe the potential of much $$$$ to do so on this project, plus a lot of further missing Adaventurer parts led this guy to see if he can sell it and get out from under his investment with maybe a little profit?????
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Location: New Castle PA | Did you all see the seller's latest posting as an answer to one of the questions? Now he says the car has no title... |
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Location: Grenoble - France | Relisted ! Look at the trunklid now 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23040...
Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-11-29 1:23 PM
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | How does one go about "sanding" the VIN off of a stainless steel embossed plate?!... |
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Location: bishop, ca | The trunk strips aren't merely lying there, on it, are they????
This is another example about how/why posting a car's pics on these threads is so important; "little" changes/modifications
to the car, and its listing can be compared and contrasted.
Originally, this car's trunk had no mounting holes for the trunk's rub-strips, and, now, they are there, lying in place (sorta)
and, the seller states that the VIN, unfortunately, is no-longer-available (I hate that, when that happens!).
Reportedly, the VIN (-plate?) was sand-blasted off (from the car?) before the seller bought it; wonder
how the car was ever registered (not)?
Reminds me of my former ship's unfortunate Chief Cook---he used to claim that "his Taste-Buds had been
shot off in the War", (too); bummer....
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Location: hopkinsville, kentuckky | Man, you guys are really tough on anyone listing a car for sale. If this was a REAL 57 Adventurer, it would bring around $25,000 USD just for openers. Very rare Indeed. the engine is a 57 chrysler 392.
For me, it is an ideal car NOT to restore but to make a really nice cruiser. The Desoto parts could be auctioned off and one could recover a lot of what they would pay for the car.
I am currently suffering with a 57 New Yorker hardtop that is rusted beyond belief. I chased the car for three years, only to drag it out of it's hole and discover the missing floor, rockers, etc. It is complete, what is left of it, including the engine/tranny. Had been sitting since 1977. |
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Location: New Castle PA | Jagster, I don't think we're being particularly tough on this car. I don't think we're being tough enough. For example, the car includes a hood center ornament, and the hood is drilled for one. Strangely, the Adventurer, which SHOULD have all the extra ornaments, is the one 1957 DeSoto model that DOESN'T have a hood pointer ornament. This car obviously has a non-Adventurer hood. I think the point here is that we don't care WHAT is being sold, or for HOW MUCH, as long as the seller is being honest about things. In this case, it took lots of questions before he finally admitted it wasn't a 345 DeSoto engine, that he didn't have a title for the car, etc. etc. etc. Seems HIGHLY unlikely that anyone would buy a car (like he did?) with no VIN, no cowl tag, nothing to prove its heredity, then CHANGE the signature 150mph speedo etc. because he wanted a red dash? VERY fishy, and yes, now the trunk strips mysteriously appear. No doubt there are lots of Adventurer parts there, but I still can't say for sure this is a 1957 Adventurer. Since seller seems adamant that "all sales are final!", I think he's signalling that you buy "something" and hope you're satisfied, because it doesn't matter if you can't license the thing, prove ownership, or anything else. You're "stuck" with the car now!
The other interesting thing to me is that the seller runs a body shop, but it doesn't look like a pro took things apart given how parts are just tossed into boxes, there's overpray on the undercarriage, etc.
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | Either the Seller is outright telling lies, is ignorant of the facts, and/or HE got stuck and is trying to recoup his loss. I think 57 DeSoto is being too kind...I don't see ANYthing on the car that IS Adventurer...other than the Scripts that can be purchased easily... |
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Location: Parts Unknown | This is a case where this pile of parts needs to be matched to a guy with the "paperwork".
Although I do not have a spare 345 laying around, I do have title, VIN, and data tags for an Adventurer ! It pays to save this stuff ! 
Trouble is, I really don't want a 57 Adventurer coupe, be it a project or a total basket case !
Maybe someday ?
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Location: bishop, ca | No, but, you could maybe get this pile-o-parts 'cheaply', and sell them w/your VIN-stuff to someone who could, then, re-create "your"
Adventurer.
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | I think it would be "fun" to ask this nimrod what the numbers stamped on the frame are, IIRC for 57 in the rear by the front spring perch point?
That should tell at least what the car number was for the frame......
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Location: N.W. Fla. | Just a common 392 with a 2X4 thrown on it. |
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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Wouldn't that just give you the engine number that was in the car??
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | I think one side has the engine number (right?) and the other side has the body number...... |
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Location: Ny | I don't think it's so much a matter of being "harsh" against the seller when they are blatantly trying to pass the vehicle off as something it is not. This man has lost all credibility on his vehicle no matter what other "proof" he puts forth. |
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Location: Ny | I don't think it's so much a matter of being "harsh" against the seller when they are blatantly trying to pass the vehicle off as something it is not. This man has lost all credibility on his vehicle no matter what other "proof" he puts forth. |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | EXACTLY!!!!!!
I think continued inquiries are just our way of informing the guy that we are on to his prevarication of the vehicle as something it isn't.
And maybe a little education that we do not suffer fools (or liars) lightly! |
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Location: Grenoble - France | Relisted. This time, the car is better advertised (no wrong info about engine). It also has a VIN now.
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Location: bishop, ca | So, is engine prefix NE57 a New Yorker or a 300C indicator?
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Location: hampton mn | The VIN magically appears? Makes you wonder.
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Location: New Castle PA | NE57 means a 1957 Chrysler New Yorker 392. |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | Still no sign in that pile of parts of a 57 dashboard, IP and 150MPH speedo..... |
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Location: Skaneateles,NY(summer)/Port St.Lucie,FL(winter) | That VIN SEEMS to have too many numbers...I could very well be wrong. The first time it was listed, the $12,000 opening bid got no responses...the second time, the bids only went to $7,000. I wonder what the bids will get to this time... |
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Location: The not-so-great, dirty-white North ( Michigan) | Tony.....
The VIN has the same number of characters as the VIN on my 56 Adventurer.
VIN Number is: 50420579
Also, it starts with a "50", so its a Detroit built vehicle. Past that point its anybodies guess as to actual Adventurer versus a Fireflite. Can't be a Firedome since the backlite isn't the small glass.
Maybe Neil has the magic decoder ring for DeSotos as well as Dodge D500s?????? |
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Location: Florida | Again, the car didn't meet the reserve. High bid, $6,657.00. |
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1957 Desoto Adventurer 345 Hemi in Missy
