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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-04-02 2:54 AM Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking for blessings on painting it black. Honor the car and restore its appearance. BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've come, to date, on your project. I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction. If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question! You right ....I'm Decided at 99% for white paint ... i think is the best thing , I believe that even for the value of the car, could decrease with no matching color ..although I do not want to sell this car |
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57desoto - 2012-04-02 2:24 AM FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups. Therefore all Adventurer with top of other colors is not correct
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Location: Torino - Italy | Guys , i have removed body from frame ... i start now disassembly the frame .... all rust ,someone in recent years had begun the restoration of the frame by painting everything including rust .....without change bushing and ball joint .. now very difficult remove the torsion bars  [/IMG]
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Location: bishop, ca | Ed, do you have FSB's, etc., that describe how the front suspension components are finished?
For Dodges, after about 3/57, the suspension parts are not painted, but are/were left in their natural-as-produced
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Of course, that 'natural' appearance can be reproduced with 'bare steel' powder coating.
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Location: Netherlands | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-03 4:07 PM
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Location: Torino - Italy | ..is for removing assembly ... I have disassembly chrysler sunspension many times but
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Location: Torino - Italy | There is another method to remove the lower arm without removing the torsion bars? I always removed the first bars from hexagons and then the lower control arm ... |
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Is there enough room to get the torsion bars out with the anchor brackets attatched, looks tight where they go through frame, you can then press the torsion bars out of the brackets after otherwise you may have to cut through the bracket lengthways and split them open to free bars?
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Location: Netherlands | Normally you start by removing the shocks and taking off the springload of the torsion bars by loosening the adjuster bolts. Then support the LCA, take out the UCA bumpers to remove all the tension on the parts if necessary, and then pop the balljoints loose.
Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors).
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Location: Torino - Italy | BigBlockMopar - 2012-04-04 5:47 PM Normally you start by removing the shocks and taking off the springload of the torsion bars by loosening the adjuster bolts. Then support the LCA, take out the UCA bumpers to remove all the tension on the parts if necessary, and then pop the balljoints loose. Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors). I know this is normally sequence ... i had removed the rear bolt adjust ..., shock was broken ...., no tension ... but the broblem was front and rear exagon blocked from RUST !! , I JUST REMOVED WITH FLAME AND HUMMER ....
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Location: bishop, ca | PM sent, Raffa...
John Fowlie can probably send you a 'new' set of springs, and/or maybe just the needed
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Location: Torino - Italy | Wow , i dont know John Fowlie ... you can send me the mail adress ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | di_ch_NY56 - 2012-04-06 11:10 PM Hello Raffaele I sent a PM with the details. Good luck! Dieter thank you ! |
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Location: somerville mass | raffalle - you are a true master with golden hands... big m is pretty close, too..(59 sport fury conv..) this adventurer which was a car - rusted in three pieces!
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-07 1:43 PM
Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts
I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.
In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.
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Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts
I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.
In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book ) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.
Keep up the great work!
How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??
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How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??
There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 3:44 AM earleebob1 - 2012-04-07 6:46 PM How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought?? There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse. I had never spoken about this,is what makes me nervous....perhaps even Lee does not know this period from 2003 to 2009 ... 1) Lee Exline Buy this car in Junk in 1994, keep the car stored in garage , buy a lot of parts ..and make great chronological research  [/IMG]
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Location: Torino - Italy | earleebob1 - 2012-04-08 9:01 AM Raffe, thank you for going to the trouble of explaining the gap in the journey of this interesting restoration Bob Thank you for your interest Bob !! |
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Location: Iowa USA | No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration.
A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos
Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them.
Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 12:46 PM No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration. A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them. Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car. Lee, I shudder to hear these things ... let me know if you can talk to her ... I wanted to ask you something, the last to drive the car was Roy Bennett? why he left? had broken the engine? I can see from the frame, a rear crash....who have removed the engine ?? |
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Location: Iowa USA | Yes Roy Bennett probably would have been the last to drive it, from him it went to the salvage yard probably in the mid 60s but I am not sure.
When I found the car it was in a salvage yard that was more of a private collection that a salvage yard. The guy was notoriously hard to buy from according to the locals. He put up the money for his nephew to go into the salvage business and the uncle would get all of the vintage iron at the salvage price the nephew bought it for. The uncle recently passed away at 93 years old and the nephew is selling his collection on ebay under the user name classic.auto.parts the 58 Plymouth convertible that was recently discussed here was also from his collection.
At the time I bought it the engine was missing but I found the original engine shortly there after. I was at the power plant by Chillicothe Iowa and talked to one of the employees about the car I had bought and said it was missing the engine. The guy told me about another guy in Ottumwa that had a bunch of old engines so I contacted the that guy and met him at his house after he got off work. I told him what I was looking for and he said that he had an engine from a black and gold Chrysler Adventurer convertible that was in the yard where I got my car from. I told him it was a Desoto and he said no, it was a Chrysler so I just let him call it a Chrysler because it did not matter I knew it was my engine. He had purchased the engine in the 70s for $100 and had raced it in a drag race rail at Eddyville raceway just north of Ottumwa. It started smoking bad so he took it apart to rebuild it but the parts would not fit so he put it on the shelf and left it there. He had purchased Chrysler 392 parts to rebuild it since he thought it was a Chrysler. He said he wanted his money back that he originally paid for the engine so I gave him $100 and loaded the engine by hand in my van. It was taken apart and the crank was missing but I was so happy I found the original engine I did not care.
I think I already shared the story about the loss of the original dual quad intake?
I would imagine that the rear end crash happened while Howard Conkey had it since his brother stated that his brother often got in trouble with the car racing it around the area and would often get in trouble with the law. He was at the Chrysler dealer in F airfield trying to sell the car because his dad had cut him off when Marilynn schmidt and her Hisband were there to look a the new Chryslers and ended up buying the car from Howard.
The front end was very rusty and I had the coupe parts car so I tossed the front end after stripping it of the parts I needed. since the hood was folded in half it was not needed either.
If I am able to contact her and she is able to recall anything I will let you know.
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Location: Iowa USA | The story about how I found it.
I was working as a salesman selling pumps, seals, and lot's of other industrial products. I was in a small town southeast of Ottumwa and I stopped in to an old repair garage to ask if they had any old car parts in the back room and where the local salvage yards were. A guy at the counter was telling where the yard was when another guy walked up and started laughing. He said that I was wasting my time to go out there the guy didn't sell anything. I went out anyway and visited the yard and the guy proudly showed me around the collection that was mostly GM lots of Cadillacs and tri five chevies including at least nine nomads. WhenI went around back I could not believe my eyes when I saw a 57 Adventurer Convertible. I already had the 57 Adventurer coupe at home. It was not easy, but I went into negotiation mode and worked a deal to buy the car. The coupe automatically became a parts car. As I traveled around doing my sales job I would track down old garages, body shops, salvage yards and dealerships I would clear out there old inventory of parts and sell parts to support my addiction to Desoto's and anything that would fit my car would go on the shelves. I had a hell of a lot of NOS for it.
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Location: Iowa USA | I just sent the following email to the current chief of police in Fairfield.
"I know it is a long shot but nothing ventured nothing gained.
By any chance are there still records available from the early 60s? or someone around that worked on the force back then that would remember events from that time?
I used to own a 1957 Desoto Adventurer convertible that came to Iowa from Long island in 1959 in the hands of a Parsons college student Howard Conkey. by 1962 it was sold to Clark Schmidt that was a supervisor for city streets in Ottumwa. That car is very rare and is now being fully restored in Italy and we are trying to piece together history on the car.
According to Howard's brother his brother would often get in trouble with the police in Fairfield with numerous tickets. Since it is a limited edition 345 HP dual quad Hemi powered car and the brother had a lead foot. The car was black and gold and would have really stood out in the crowd.
Thanks in advance for your time and consideration!
Lee Exline
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I know the chances of getting any information is limited but if I didn't try the chance would be zero.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists? |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-04-08 12:38 PM
Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists?
I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find.
The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around! |
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 7:46 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-04-08 12:38 PM Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists? I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find. The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around! Ok, Lee ... this year in august i go to Los Angeles , also in Mopar junkyard ( Arnie at San Bernardino )... is too far away, next year if all goes well I will go to Chicago ... surely I will come to you ... , another questions Lee ... you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? it rains a lot in your country ?? why not to sink into the ground? how did you pull? with a tractor? you know the double holes oh the right tail fins ?
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Location: Iowa USA | you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it
it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it!
why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground
how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons
you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point.
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Location: Torino - Italy | if i think ... the history of this car , I would like to make it black-gold , because he was also remembered by its owners as the Desoto Black and Gold...this car live his life in black and gold....
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 8:38 PM you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it! why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point. imagined it was a bullet hole! think how much water and snow for 30 winters ...:(  |
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Location: Iowa USA | Yes it was in sorry shape, but it was mostly complete and it is a real Documented Adventurer so it was well worth saving.
I have always enjoyed researching the history. I call it automotive archeology.
I wish I could track some history on my Desoto UTE but I have no success with the Australian government in tracking it's ownership
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 9:31 PM Yes Yes this is archeology ... I see in the old photos ... The original bumper had guards ... I don't have this ... I have only the bumper without guard .. |
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Location: Iowa USA | I contacted the nephew and he told me how to find it again.
He said everything is almost cleared out and the property will be sold soon.
Easiest way to see it from google maps is head straight north out of Batavia IA and take the 3rd gravel road to the left, then first gravel to the right for a half mile and your there. As you can see there were a lot of cars outside and every building was full also. The Adventurer was located about dead center on this photo just North of the barn.
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1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible
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