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raffaplymouth
Posted 2012-04-29 10:06 AM (#318868 - in reply to #317852)
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 ok , no problem for welding pot metal , also in italy , bit i read is not possible chrome

 

springsweptwing - 2012-04-21 10:20 PM here raffaele, this is low temparature so wont melt the metal zemak (pot metal) first http://www.muggyweld.com/?view=super1 http://www.muggyweld.com/?view=super1clip4... http://www.muggyweld.com/?view=super1clip15 other products have a higher melting point risking damaging what you are trying to repair.

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raffaplymouth
Posted 2012-04-29 10:08 AM (#318869 - in reply to #318474)
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firedome - 2012-04-26 10:27 PM Paul's Chrome and similar re-chromers can fill pits in Zamak before they plate and rechrome them, but don't know about welding, it was a zinc-based alloy potmetal that was cast, not sure how it can be welded, but I've seen similar potmetal grilles on '30s and 40s cars repaired, I suspect by melting it back together somehow.

 

please website of Paul chrome ?

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Posted 2012-04-29 11:42 AM (#318878 - in reply to #201733)
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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-04-30 12:07 PM (#319007 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-30 2:32 PM (#319026 - in reply to #319007)
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Posted 2012-04-30 2:34 PM (#319027 - in reply to #201733)
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Location: bishop, ca		Typically, the 57-59 Dodges will have their engine numbers or VINS (1959) stamped on this loaction.

This frame is a 58 300D, so, nothing was stamped in this location.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2012-04-30 4:25 PM (#319032 - in reply to #201733)
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom.		Neil there are usually numbers here but i think they are the part number of the frame will have a check later.

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d500neil
Posted 2012-04-30 7:19 PM (#319052 - in reply to #319032)
Subject: Re: 1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible



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Location: bishop, ca		Yeah, those easy-to-see numbers are the frame's P/N; the engine number is very-lightly hand-stamped through the frame
paint, where I indicate.

The engine number can be very difficult to see, and usually only the lower half of the engine number got imprinted into
the frame steel.

In my car's case, if you already know the engine number, you can recognize it in what little appears in the steel.

The partial-strike, through the paint, implies that the engine number was struck after the body was mated to the frame
and that there was not much room for the guy to swing his hammer.




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b5rt
Posted 2012-04-30 8:22 PM (#319060 - in reply to #201733)
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roadkillontheweb
Posted 2012-04-30 8:41 PM (#319062 - in reply to #319060)
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b5rt - 2012-04-30 7:22 PM

Someone let me know if these videos of the DeSoto's arrival in Italy have already been submitted and I'll flag them for removal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25K7DE6fcoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCRflj2uqeQ

I do not believe they have not been posted yet, but they are of the arrival at Raffaele's shop. He bought it from another gentleman that I sold it to in Italy. So these would be the second stop on it's tour of Italy.

Which one is you Raffaele?
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ToMopar
Posted 2012-05-01 11:54 AM (#319134 - in reply to #201733)
Subject: Re: 1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible



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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-30 8:41 PM

Which one is you Raffaele?


Raffaele in the guy on video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25K7DE6fcoQ at 2:11 with the basecap and the blue flap trousers



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raffaplymouth
Posted 2012-05-01 12:17 PM (#319136 - in reply to #319134)
Subject: Re: 1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible


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yes , you can see me in the video ..I do not see the look of terror in my face ? .. i dont think to found this number . but i dont check because im very serious chickenpox disease that has plagued me my 4 year old son, I guarantee that 37 years is not nice

 i hope the next week the body paint man has not yet painted.. but i was checked more time ...too rust pit in this zone



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Posted 2012-05-12 10:41 AM (#320765 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 1:59 PM (#320858 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 2:07 PM (#320859 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 2:10 PM (#320860 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 2:21 PM (#320861 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 2:31 PM (#320863 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 3:00 PM (#320869 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-13 7:27 PM (#320896 - in reply to #320869)
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Posted 2012-05-15 2:51 PM (#321202 - in reply to #201733)
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Location: Torino - Italy		guys , i need help urgently , i dont success to find the reference of paint chart for 57 adventurer i need for surf white code L and adventurer gold code P ... i find only frosty white but i dont know if is the same .... please Help me , some parts is ready to paint
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Posted 2012-05-15 3:22 PM (#321210 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-15 3:24 PM (#321212 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-15 3:27 PM (#321213 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-15 3:29 PM (#321214 - in reply to #201733)
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look here

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raffaplymouth
Posted 2012-05-15 3:40 PM (#321218 - in reply to #321214)
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springsweptwing - 2012-05-15 9:29 PM Raffaele, look here http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1957&page=2&rows=50[/QUOTE]

 no Surf White in this !!  i have already see !! , correct for Adventurer is SURF WHITE , I FIND ONLY IN 1955

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FIN ME
Posted 2012-05-15 3:41 PM (#321219 - in reply to #201733)
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I'm getting the same answer, Paul...my "DeSoto Bible" also seems to be stating that "White" was the Adventurer white for 1957 -

PPG 8036
Dupont 2355,246-59835, 93-59835

(from what I read, "Cloud White" and "Frosty White" were Firesweep colours, California and Michigan factories respectively - all three colours will have the same paint code "L" on the cowl tag)




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FIN ME
Posted 2012-05-15 3:50 PM (#321222 - in reply to #321218)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-05-15 3:40 PM
Surf White in this !!  i have already see !! , correct for Adventurer is SURF WHITE , I FIND ONLY IN 1955


I've read about that "Surf White" for 1957's too, Raffaele, but I can't find any reference to it in my literature for the 1957 DeSotos.

I left a message with Ed to see if he is available.

I'll keep looking.






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FIN ME
Posted 2012-05-15 3:56 PM (#321225 - in reply to #201733)
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RAFFAELE - I checked the colour chart on Ed Petrus 1957 DeSoto site, and he DOES make reference to the "Surf White" being an Adventurer only white for the 1957.

Hopefully Ed or someone else will know of a paint company that manufactures this colour and the correct order number.

Hang in there!




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raffaplymouth
Posted 2012-05-15 4:11 PM (#321228 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-15 4:49 PM (#321236 - in reply to #201733)
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I cannot find enough information to be sure if the "white" or "frost white" are different than the "surf white"...but Adventurers seemed to have several "Adventurer only" features, so I'd wait to hear from Ed to be sure.





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Posted 2012-05-15 5:29 PM (#321241 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele - did you still need a paint code for the Adventurer Gold?

Ditzler PPG 21273







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ToMopar
Posted 2012-05-15 5:52 PM (#321247 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-15 6:44 PM (#321265 - in reply to #201733)
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Location: New Castle PA		Raffaele, any bright white is fine. I used white paint for 2004-2005 Dodge Vipers, and it is called Viper White. All I can see from the can label is that it's Dupont, and there is a number 738476K written on it. Believe it or not, the gold is harder to do.

I've seen DOZENS of Adventurers, and with many different shades of gold, so it's really hard to say what is correct. Tower Paint custom mixes colors for every car imaginable. I bought a spray can of 1957 DeSoto Adventurer gold just to see what it looked like. Supposedly correct, it was obviously wrong. The underside of my trunk lid has never been painted except at the factory, so that is what I use to compare colors, and for comparison with other cars. In my case, I had our local Dupont paint supplier custom-match the underside of the trunk. What he came up with, believe it or not, is International Harvester Gold. In Dupont Chromabase, the can is marked F2637K. I've given this same information out to several other '57 Adventurer restorers, and very few people have argued with me that the color is wrong. Should anyone do so, all I have to do is open the trunk and they can see the very close match of the IH paint to factory DeSoto.
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Posted 2012-05-16 5:14 PM (#321453 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-18 4:49 PM (#321786 - in reply to #201733)
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Location: Torino - Italy		Ok Ed .. I have find your white ..with ppg code .. Look like ok .. I have found also the gold reference
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Posted 2012-05-20 12:23 PM (#322022 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-20 1:17 PM (#322039 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-20 1:22 PM (#322041 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-20 1:26 PM (#322043 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 4:00 AM (#322149 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 4:23 AM (#322151 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 12:31 PM (#322202 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 1:42 PM (#322212 - in reply to #322202)
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sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-05-21 6:31 PM How many people do you have working on this car with you? By the rate that you're getting things done, I would think you have a team of a few guys working on this car. Very nice work....

no, we are in the garage in two guys , but on the Adventurer i job alone, and only in the evening, or  night or on Sundays, days of work we work on customers' cars

I would like to work alone on my Desoto !! 

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Posted 2012-05-21 2:24 PM (#322219 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 2:41 PM (#322221 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-21 3:12 PM (#322224 - in reply to #322221)
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BarnFind57 - 2012-05-21 8:41 PM Amazing work. Thiss car is gonna be a thing of beauty when you are done... Folr that matter, I think it already is.

 

Thanks!

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Posted 2012-05-26 1:44 PM (#322973 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-26 1:49 PM (#322975 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-05-26 1:52 PM (#322976 - in reply to #201733)
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