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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | This is for The DOC, As he set the Challenge.. LOL
The Description and INFO is Very Vague..
http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/files/12240500/12240996.html
Year: 1958
Make: Dodge
Model: Custom Royal Convertible
Vehicle Location: SUMMERLAND , BR
Description:
1958 Dodge Custom Royal convertible,
Gas fuel,
Exterior: Red,
Interior: Red,
Power Steering, Power Brakes, Power Mirrors, Tinted Windows, 1 Owner, Garage Kept, Non Smoker Good car. Top handmade.Only 6 cars of this type! Call for Price.
Located in SUMMERLAND, BRITISH C0V0H.
Contact Ralph at 250-404-0121 for more information.
View The Rest Of This Seller's Inventory:
http://www.nmsell.com (opens in new window)
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Location: The Mile High City | This one already sold to Max in Austria (a site member) and is on it's way. Max set me a few photos of this spectacularly restored Dodge -
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Location: Austria, Vienna | that one is already mine:)) |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi Max, Very nice Dodge you have bought. Look a very nice renovaiting and I like the colors red/silver/gray metalic. |
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Location: Austria, Vienna | Thank you! the wheels are not corect and exaust pipes are custom... but it is nice, the rest is all original. |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | WOW! And I thought that black 59 on eBay was tops! You have the best looking Dodge of any year in the world, IMO. The colors and styling are to die for. I would love to see some more photos when you get it, possibly larger ones, love to make that the desktop photo on my computer. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | I love the color combination! This car was in my home province of British Columbia, ( BC ), but nowhere near me, that I would have ever seen this car. The 58 Custom Royal seats were upholstered nicer than the 59s, IMHO. The 58 cloth sections were pleated, with a vinyl button in the backrest section, and outlined with silver mylar vinyl welting. The 59s were much plainer for some reason. |
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Location: bishop, ca | I was waiting for Lancer-Mike to come in, here, but, since he hasn't: unless this is a "999" special order
paint scheme, the "Deluxe Two Tone" scheme of Silver Metallic-over Crimson (it would appear as PNT code
3KPP) was not a factory-standard available color-option, and, whatever black cloth is in its interior, it is not
1958 Dodge Custom Royal material.
Now, as far as it's being a real D500: let's see the rest of the P/T plate.
Also, those little 'dooies' on the seat backs for some reason, don't look quite right-shaped/sized,
to me....gotta go check on them....
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Location: Scotland | here is the brochure interior pic,super car though
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Location: Scotland | and a '58 from Sweden that looks re-done differently too
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Location: The Mile High City | I suppose I am a bit cautious here - Max, a member of the site, bought the car and it is being shipped to Austria right now to join his collection. For my own purposes, it would be interesting to see the identification plate on this car, but until Max asks to know all the details, I am content to say that this is a very beautiful '58 Dodge convertible and I hope he enjoys it - I know I would.
I have been looking at pictures of '58 Dodges since before I knew what the internet was and I don't believe I have ever seen this car. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Does this car have a lift kit under it ? 
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Location: Austria, Vienna | The '58 has original springs which have been rebuilt and original torsion bars in front. Definitely has no lift kit . |
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Location: Pau, S-W France | And another CR convertible !! From France, 1st owner Charles Aznavour (french singer). Speedo in kmh. Non original colors.
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Location: Parts Unknown | parat11 - 2010-03-10 7:14 AM
The '58 has original springs which have been rebuilt and original torsion bars in front. Definitely has no lift kit .
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Location: Parts Unknown | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-03-09 10:23 AM
parat11 - 2010-03-10 7:14 AM
The '58 has original springs which have been rebuilt and original torsion bars in front. Definitely has no lift kit .
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I suspect it is 4WD. Sits WAY too high !
NO WAY !!! CRANK DEM BARS UP ! ! ! ! WHOO ! 
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| Good God, Neil, you would find fault with a solid gold ingot! First you knock the fuel lines on the black '59 Convert and now the colors and interior of this gorgeous '58 Convert! Enough already....we get it that nothing can pass the "Neil" test and it is growing increasingly OLD!!! |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hello, Jim; long-time; no-bitching.
Checked my 1958 Ross Roy last night, and the only two color combinations for Crimson are Ebony and Eggshell.
The only two combinations for Silver (metallic) are Navy and Charcoal.
The Paint/Trim plate (and the Broadcast Sheet and/or its IBM card copy) will confirm the car's D500 status; since
it's carrying only one carb in it, it may well be a real single-4 model.
The IBM card copy will also confirm the car's OEM engine-stamping-number on it, too.
I would be surprised if this car was originally red; the firewall is red (a good sign, however) but the engine compartment
(and the trunk area) have had considerable 'renovations' be done to them, and the interior was obviously extensively redone
(there should be a distinctive seat-beading treatment installed in the sheet vinyl in the rear seat back, too, as well as its having
the wrong upholstery cloth be installed in it) so, this car was probably in relatively poor physical condition, before it was 'renovated'
and, the renovator apparently did not know or care about the car's correctness or originality.
But, oh yeah, it does look real pretty.
BTW, the Ross Roy data 'books', in 1958, cost $17.30, which would be something like $175.00, today.
They've held their value, over the years.
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Location: Pau, S-W France | d500neil - 2010-03-09 9:07 PM
The only two combinations for Silver (metallic) are Navy and Charcoal.
Like the french one !!!
Here are two pics before restoring.
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Location: bishop, ca | That's sweet; Philippe, you wouldn't have access to this car's P/T info, wouldja?
You can PM me with it, if you'd like.
It's somewhat ironic that you say "before restoration", because nowadays people and
collectors are (finally!) appreciating ORIGINAL 'surviving' cars !!--and this car
certainly looks to be a worthy Surviving example.
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Location: Pau, S-W France | d500neil - 2010-03-09 9:17 PM
That's sweet; Philippe, you wouldn't have access to this car's P/T info, wouldja?
I'll try in the next weeks as my friend doesn't live near my home ... |
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Location: The Mile High City | The French car has what I consider to be the correct seat buttons for a 1958 Custom Royal. The advertisement and Max's car have what appear to be very similar buttons. I have never seen others like them. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Mike, IIRC, that prototype 58 CR vert has the 1957-style (front-mounted) dashboard rear view mirror in it.
It may well have prototype seat upholstery buttons on it, too.
Have you, or ANYONE, ever seen a radio escutcheon-plate like this French car has on it?
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | carjock - 2010-03-09 11:16 AM
Good God, Neil, you would find fault with a solid gold ingot! First you knock the fuel lines on the black '59 Convert and now the colors and interior of this gorgeous '58 Convert! Enough already....we get it that nothing can pass the "Neil" test and it is growing increasingly OLD!!!
I agree its a beautiful car, but IMHO Neil is only giving this information to spread the knowlege around, and I appreciate that. We all benefit when we learn. Things I also noticed on the car are the incorrectness of the seat buttons and the fact that they should be "drawn in" to the cloth somewhat, and cloth itself is wrong, but close. BUT it is a beautiful car, and I would love to own it. My first car was a 58 CRL 2 door HT. My own present car is certainly not showroom correct in some areas and I freely admit its discrepancies. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Phil: ALSO ask him to check up-behind the glove box; he may just be in for a PLEASANT surprise....
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Ian; we also may learn something about the 'history' of that unique radio escutcheon, which certainly
looks to fit the dashboard perfectly, and which appears to resemble closely the texture of the dash inserts.
BOTH the blue and the Charcoal verts seem to have that same escutcheon in them.
The blue vert shows the seat buttons to have a chrome-surround to them.
They are recessed into the seat because they are tied-back into the seat frame; altho they can and
do spin around, as seen in the back seat of the vert.
In MT's review of a 57 CR sedan D500, the article says that its seat-button was "torn off by an infuriated tester"
into whose back, the seat button was digging...apparently because it was not sufficiently recessed into the seat back.
The red convertible's occupants might experience a similar occurrence.
A 'funny' thing, about 58 CRL seat cloth, especially in black, is that it is readily available, either from Original Auto Interiors,
but, especially from SMS; it ain't rare, like the 57 CRL convertible cloth is.
When Bob Schmidt was restoring 57 Heaven's (1957, duh-) CRL vert, he 'had' to use the 57 CRL hardtop cloth in it, because
the correct vert-cloth had not been loomed-up by SMS (yet).
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Location: Pau, S-W France | d500neil - 2010-03-09 9:35 PM
Have you, or ANYONE, ever seen a radio escutcheon-plate like this French car has on it?
The radio isn't the original radio but a "european" NOVAK radio . I think that the US radio was removed when the car was imported and replaced with a LW / MW radio. At this time the US radio hasn't LW but these waves lenghts were used in Europe.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | The upholstery in the blue convert is identical, color combination black & white, to my origial 58 CRL 2 door hardtop, back in 1974. |
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| Sigh, yes you guys do a great service to the vast number of FL purists out there (all 12 of them?) who actually give a s**t about the trivial bulls**t that you bring up. Any of us, and suspect that even includes Neil, would give his left one to own a car this nice. Stick to your ID plate decoding and leave people's craftmanship alone, unless only you can do better. The prices and interest in these cars speak for themselves..it must really make you feel superior to know more than the average stupid collector! |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | carjock - 2010-03-09 3:39 PM
Sigh, yes you guys do a great service to the vast number of FL purists out there (all 12 of them?) who actually give a s**t about the trivial bulls**t that you bring up. Any of us, and suspect that even includes Neil, would give his left one to own a car this nice. Stick to your ID plate decoding and leave people's craftmanship alone, unless only you can do better. The prices and interest in these cars speak for themselves..it must really make you feel superior to know more than the average stupid collector!
I still maintain that there is NOTHING wrong with knowing what is correct, and incorrect for a particular year/ make / model, and if guys like Neil have the knowledge then I say share it. He didn't call the car a piece of crap - just pointed out what was not correct - and there is nothing wrong with that. Neither Neil, nor myself are purists - the car is beautiful, and as I stated I would love to own it. There just happen to be some people who like to know how a car was built, what's correct, what's not, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with sharing that knowledge. Neil's maybe a little dry on the posts so maybe all of us can lighten up a bit on this. It's not worth the negative comments. And Neil, maybe offer a little praise on the car before you point out the discrepancies !
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Location: bishop, ca | Dry is good; the car, any car, will have its appearance be posted by its seller as an inducement to having someone buy
the car from him.
The car's photos don't show (necessarily) any orange peel, or paint runs, or corners-cut in any of the body-work or in the
mechanical aspects of it.
We only know what the seller cares to show us about the car.
A seller tries to present his object in the best manner available to him.
If I happen to recognize that there are any defects or deficiencies in the presentation, and/or description, of a 4-sale car,
I will point it/them out.
The fact that Jim comes on here and whines about a 4-sale car's 'renovation'--- I like that word, as it differs from 'restoration'---
being criticised speaks more to his point of view, in apparently being interested in DECEIVING potential buyers about a car's true
condition, than my point of view, in informing any potential buyers or restorers about renovation problems or issues that exist
on a 4-sale car.
This message board is VERY different from our Members Rides message board.
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Location: bishop, ca | Philippe, that Novak radio is another of the Export-specific features, like the km-speedometer, and the heavy duty
suspensions.
Kool.....hmmm: were Novaks installed in the Export Furys, too?
And, Ian; yes, in 1958 the Custom Royal convertibles and hardtops shared 'this' upholstery.
In '57, the CRL vert cloth was (...called the) "Gotham Texture"--which was also used in the Custom
Sierra wagons.
The '57 hardtop cloth (looking like a herringbone pattern) was called "Staccato".
I forget what this 58 Custom Royal (or, the '58 Custom Sierra wagon) upholstery cloth was called.
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Sigh, yes you guys do a great service to the vast number of FL purists out there (all 12 of them?) who actually give a s**t about the trivial bulls**t that you bring up. Any of us, and suspect that even includes Neil, would give his left one to own a car this nice. Stick to your ID plate decoding and leave people's craftmanship alone, unless only you can do better. The prices and interest in these cars speak for themselves..it must really make you feel superior to know more than the average stupid collector!
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For the conservative you claim to be, you sure do employ the classic leftist practice of shutting down those of a different opinion.
My car is not stock. Even Neil's car is not stock. Where do you get the idea this kind of discussion is some sort of direct "trespass"
against the hobby ? .... and more importantly, why do you feel compelled to appoint yourself the guy who combats such free speech ?
If you have another angle to voice, let it out ! But don't ask others to shut up. That is what the left does.
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Just where in the above posts did anyone ask for the so-called purist, experts opinions on the condition on this fine car?
This is the exact reason this site has lost many many many very knowledgeable people in the last five years!
I know it has been a good while since I wasted my time posting any internet car finds that I have stumbled across while surfing the web or other classifides and it be a cold day in hell before I post any more of the ones I do find !
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Location: Parts Unknown | Who needs to ask ?
You (or anyone) else is free to comment on these cars in any way you see fit. You like the custom Margitrol handrails ?
Or the special dio-pepsum jibber-jabs ? Great, ... no one is keeping you from chatting it up. But to tell other people who
have invested much time and effort in educating themselves on how a factory long ago built things down to the smallest
detail that they shut up ? Your comparison is flawed ! No one is keeping YOU from expressing your opinions about the
car/s. Instead, you choose to express your opinion about OTHERS' on the list. This is a bullying tactic, plain and simple.
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Location: Etters Pa | and just where was anyone bullied ?, other than man that posted a few pictures of a very nice car he spent his hard earned $$$ on purchasing.
only to be torn down down by the so called experts..... Again nowhere did I read where he asked for anyones opinions.
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| Oh, I guess there are 3 of you now? I don't need to defend my statements of how sick this nitpicking makes me to anyone...yes, I can leave the site which I have done for the most part. But those of you who insist on pointing out your unsubstantiated opinions on what's "not right" about some innocent seller's car is sickening. And don't give me that tired old line that you're just trying to protect the poor "uninformed" buyers! Anyone buying a car like these two do not need advice about the correct bend radius on a carburetor fuel line. I will certainly go away and quit bothering you guys (especially you, Doc) but call your posts what they really are....trying to impress others with your mastery of all things FL! |
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Location: bishop, ca | I had a moment of clarity, not to say an epiphany, yesterday, which explains (to me) why Jim, and maybe others,
are so offended by the pointing-out of renovation defects and deficiencies and mis-representations about a car that
is being advertised 4-sale.
Jim is associating with the cars' SELLERS, in effect saying : "DON'T pay any attention to the details involved in the car's
presentation, look only at its colors and shiny-ness".
I, and maybe others, associate with a car's potential BUYERS, and do say : " LOOK beyond the car's colors and shiny-ness
to understand what the renovator has actually done to this car."
E.G.: was the subject car originally, EVEN, a convertible, or the same model as it is presented to be, or having the OEM
performance-equipment on it, or is it painted in its OEM colors, and/or how well is its interior rendered?
All of the above considerations have a bearing on a car's true market value.
And, then, there is the un-knowable mechanical condition of the car, but, if a lot of 'liberties' have been taken in the
car's renovation, and/or in its presentation, a logical conclusion may be drawn regarding the car's mechanical repair
work quality.
Many sellers play a game of mis-representation on their cars, under the auspice of Buyer-Beware.
Well, I am here to assist the buyers in understanding what it is that they may be interested in buying.
As S. McQueen said : "You work your side of the street, I'll work mine."
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| d500neil - 2010-03-09 9:04 PM
I forget what this 58 Custom Royal (or, the '58 Custom Sierra wagon) upholstery cloth was called.
I call it "52 swizzle stick pick up".
Sparky
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Location: San Diego, CA | That car is indeed beautiful. Congratulations to the buyer. I would LOVE to have it. Also, thank you to the ‘nitpickers’. This board is more then just a place to come and bicker about nonsense….it is a resource. A resource that will hopefully be around long after the rest of us have gone to that great Mopar dealer in the sky (year of that dealer is your choice). Something someone can come and visit years from now when they are restoring their car and have some information on what may or may not be original. There are no detailed books on these cars. I also own a ’66 Corvette and I can find out what the correct bolts are by just pulling down a book from my shelf, full of production line photos and more showing every detail. For my Chrysler, if I have to replace or repair and item, why not try and get it ‘correct’? I need to do it anyway. Does someone know how the fuel line should look? Share away!
I dare say there are a few more then 12 people who are interested in what is ‘correct’…..correct being what came from the factory and not meaning the ‘in-correct’ is wrong….just not the way it was from the factory. Why is this a problem? I posted my car on here and things were pointed out. So what? The car, or cars, speak for themselves regarding their beauty and all of us who own one are fortunate. Having folks her who take the time to point out what is ‘correct’ is another element of our good fortune.
Thank you to all who contribute….and not so much of a thank you to all those that complain when folks do…..
Again, beautiful car! I love the color combo...correct or not.
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Location: Austria, Vienna | Posted 2010-03-10 2:32 PM (#213213 - in reply to #212965)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Convertible in SUMMERLAND , BR
I had a moment of clarity, not to say an epiphany, yesterday, which explains (to me) why Jim, and maybe others,
are so offended by the pointing-out of renovation defects and deficiencies and mis-representations about a car that
is being advertised 4-sale.
Hello,
may i ask your opinion, what is the market value of 59 black "super d500" from ebay?
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi, Max -
I would start with $132,700 and subtract what the eBay fees would have been had the reserve been met. That would probably be the least he would take at this point. Unless there was evidence of monkey business with the bidding, the fairest thing to do might be to split what the eBay fees would have been. I wouldn't see any reason for you to contribute more than half.
PS. Jim - stay and have fun. What would the Hatfields be without the McCoys?
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| I come by once in a while just to stir things up a bit Remember, I collected FL cars for over 30 years and know a hell of a lot about them...I'm the one that told Neil about the right exhaust manifold on a '59 Super D500 being different than the standard D500. I am able to judge a lot of what is said here and some of it is just guesses or hypothesis but taken as gospel. Thats what I don't like. But I never try to correct anyone as I don't think it is necessary to challenge someone's opinion. Mopar 380 is the best authority on this site in my opinion...he knows FL cars very well and is a gentleman about it. I will stop by from time to time, but I'm completely out of the FL cars now. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Well, .... Jimbo
No one is telling you to leave or shut the F!CK up. Something I cannot say you oblige others on this list with.
If you choose to leave, that will be on you.
I have known you a long, long time, and it hasn't been since we met up again on this site that I ever saw this harsh
intolerance towards others, especially about pointing out how the factory did it. For the life of me, I do not under-
stand how you make the jump to thinking anyone is saying stuff is BAD by pointing out what deviates from factory
original .... that just simply is not the case.
I would dearly love to own this car. It is stunning just as it sits. It has also had a lot of attention and money spent
on it making it different than it would have come from the factory. I bought my car like this ..... looked good, but really
needed a lot to be solid and fixed right. Still, I was happy to get it and have never regretted buying it as is. This Dodge
is likely a similar case, ...maybe not as bad, but still not how the factory would have done it. Why does this matter ?
Because doing it non-factory is as arbitrary and random as an owner's creativity (or lack thereof) ... so getting it
NON-factory "correct" is also totally arbitrary and random. The only original route to be documented is just that, the
original factory method. All other methods get kicked around here too .... disc brakes, 440 conversions, you name it !
You don't hear anybody cutting them down. Well, actually, I have seen it here. But you know, I have seen far more
supportive tech help and good will than those times when someone gets "a boot" for something done "in bad taste".
But getting back to this whole resource thing, ..... Like you, I am an old dog in this kennel. I doubt there is anyone
who knows more about my car than I do after all these years. I did not require hunting down resources to learn which
bolt was used for the tranny mount to the frame. After looking at thirty 58 Fireflites, I pretty much had it nailed down,
... but you can't just go look at them in wrecking yards like you could in 1980, so these resources of knowledge are
becoming more cerebral than physical. But for the greenhorn FL fan, this kind of resource is invaluable. Why
the hell do you want to shut it down ? It just doesn't make sense. My car will be far from factory stock in several ways.
That is MY choice. Still, I WANT to know what is the factory original method. One logic is not mutually exclusive of the
other. No one has to listen to Neil, myself, or anyone else on this board. They can take the info or leave it. But at least
it is out there !
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| Doc, as usual you have written a book and totally missed the point. But that is OK....as someone said above, this "car critic corner" is what has driven most of us old timers away. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Who is missing the point ?
One group advocates free speech.
The other advocates telling the other to shut up.
Simple as that.
WHAT, exactly is this point I am missing ?
Go ahead, ... Give me one more chance to hear your argument for what you are doing. Be sure not to miss
explaining how you are NOT telling others to shut up... or that it is somehow justified, Oh yeah, ... and let's
pretend I have "special needs" and write REAL slow so I can understand how you are doing something other than
what I described.
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| Right on! You've got me figured out right down to the special needs. I DO love being analyzed. More, please! |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Not to kick an already deceased farm animal, again, but a car advertised for SALE is a part of a business transaction,
where the seller makes certain representations and depictions regarding what he is trying to sell, and how much
MONEY he is trying to receive from that transaction.
How much MONEY he receives depends upon the rarity and the desirability and the originality of the object at hand.
Why don't (recognized) counterfeit objects receive as much value and purchase payment as do original objects?
Why would someone object to the pointing out of non-original/non-correct components of an object which is being
mis-represented (either innocently, or not) by its seller?
This 4-sale message board is not a Car Show (see: Member's Rides for that) ; it's a 2-dimensional Barrett-Jackson
event---but, at least, at the B-J you might hear the engine idle and can sit in the car and check out its clock and
radio's operation.
All we know about a car, here, is what (current-) color(s) it may have, and how pretty-shiny it might be, plus, its
seller's representations about his ownership/renovation history of it.
This is a PERFECT venue (as James states, above) for the rational discussion of what is original or correct for a particular
car, in regards to what its SELLER is claiming, about its condition, and in regards to what the fair market value may be
for that car.
This message board can provide for extensive sidebar discussions, as the original-thread concerns itself only with one-car's
potential sale.
So, in response to Jame's request for information about how an OEM fuel line should look, I'm going to send a pic to Sir Clive
for posting here, showing a factory-promotional photo for the high-falutin 300E, which will show how seemingly careless was
the bending/forming of the fuel lines on our cars.
As far as Max's inquiry into the fair market value of the black CRL convertible that has been renovated into appearing to be
a Super D500, its market value depends upon the education and/or the desire of a buyer to understand, to overlook, or NOT
to be informed of,.... the fact that that car is not an OEM Super D500, which, also, does not appear to have its OEM colors/trim ( I forget
what-all's been done to it).....in regards to the availability of other similar, or, original examples of the car.
Its purchase decision and negotiation depends upon the knowledge and the motivation of the two parties involved.
Stupid money -vs- Uninformed money -vs- Smart money.
Edited by d500neil 2010-03-11 5:19 PM
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Location: bishop, ca | Also, in Re: the subject 58 CRL vert, at hand, I'll bet (only a little!) that the car may have been OEM Charcoal/Silver,
(like Philippe's example, above here) based upon the fact that it's got silver on its rear end, now, because Charcoal
was only one, of two, available 2nd-colors, combined along with Silver (the other being a VERY pretty "Navy").
Keeping the existing Silver would have been a logical decision for the car's renovator.
If the car were OEM Crimson, keeping that color would have been a no-brainer, but, the second-color could only have been
either Eggshell or Ebony---both of which are very attractive and complementary shades, which probably would have been
retained on the car, by its renovator.
Edited by d500neil 2010-03-11 4:50 PM
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Posted for NEIL D500
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.This is a factory promotional photo.
Check out how the factory bent up its fuel line.
This example is similar to the appearance of the OEM single-carbs'
fuel lines, which look to have been bent by hand, too.
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1958 Dodge Custom Royal Convertible in SUMMERLAND , BR
