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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2014-01-21 2:36 PM John - Do you plan to remove the outer skin so that the sound deadening material can be replaced ? I would think that it should be in place to keep the trunk lid from sounding tinny when closed. I'm facing the same issue with my 59 Dodge. Ron The main reason for this material being there is to keep the outer skin from contacting the inner structure. The last car I restored that had this material in poor shape, I was able to cut sections of new material out, and carefully fish them into each opening, and between the two panels. Never had any problems afterwards. I'll probably do the same thing here. The old stuff was just turning to dust. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | d500neil - 2014-01-21 4:45 PM It appears what you'd have to do is separate the two trunk halves, and then paint them separately. Then, the deadener sheet gets installed and the halves are crimped together. And, additional finish color is sprayed onto the crimped edges, avoiding the deadener panels. I spent two hours masking off the deadener panels and the entire rear of the car, so that only the underside could get repainted....taking about 5 minutes' time. Do you have another 59 PLY decklid, with good deadener panel(s) in it? Wish I could have salvaged the material, but as I told Ron, it was just turning to dust. Using an air gun easily removed what remained between the skins. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | Nice work John. As far as the insulation material, can you do what you did to the last car you worked on? Cut out sections and work them in? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | The deck lid looked pretty straight, as there were no large dents easily visible, but it felt as though it had been through a hail storm, there were a dozen or so impressions in the top, and one large low spot directly in the center. Along the bottom lip, there were a few gouges that could not be removed with a stud gun, so I used lead to smooth them out. All the other low spots were removed using a stud gun and holding upward force on the center, and dinging around the circumference to relieve the high spots. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (122KB - 292 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (125KB - 307 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (125KB - 295 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (131KB - 311 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (126KB - 304 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | John - Looks like your trunk lid is receiving acupuncture ! :-) Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2014-01-21 5:36 PM John - Looks like your trunk lid is receiving acupuncture ! :-) Ron LMAO!! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1539 Location: Farnborough. Hampshire. England. | I've been thoroughly enjoying your post on Rusty....Thankyou John.. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Diesel45 - 2014-01-22 7:19 AM I've been thoroughly enjoying your post on Rusty....Thankyou John.. Thanks, Fred! | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | After removing the dents, I sprayed the panel with a few good coats of filling primer, and then sprayed a guide coat on top. Using a long board, I block sanded the entire surface, the guide coat revealed any minor flaws. Spot putty was then lightly smoothed over these areas, and then sanded smooth. We used to call this putty 'Red Lead' as it was used to fill pinholes and scratches in the body work, not to be used as a filler. The deck was then sprayed and block sanded two more times to be sure it was straight. (59 SF convertible 005.JPG) (59 SF convertible 006.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 59 SF convertible 005.JPG (125KB - 314 downloads) 59 SF convertible 006.JPG (126KB - 321 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Next was to find a decent hood to start with. To me, hoods and trunk lids are the hardest panels to get straight, as they are mostly flat surfaces. The hood I chose was gotten from Kenny J a few years ago when I delivered a car down to him, and picked up his pink '59 wagon. The hood had heavy surface rust, but for the most part was straight. I sanded for hours to remove the majority of the rust, and then used phosphoric acid to kill any that remained. Next was to remove the broken bolts where the hinges mount, I welded nuts to the broken bolts, and carefully removed them. The inner support's spot welds also had failed, so while I had the welder fired up I tacked the failed welds back together. ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 010.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 011.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 012.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (126KB - 284 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (126KB - 300 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (126KB - 305 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (126KB - 286 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (126KB - 295 downloads) '59 SF convertible 010.JPG (126KB - 288 downloads) '59 SF convertible 011.JPG (126KB - 292 downloads) '59 SF convertible 012.JPG (127KB - 291 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Next was to lightly sandblast the bottom of the hood to remove the rust scale, and it was then treated with acid. Then just a few dings had to be bumped out, then lots of block sanding again. (59 SF convertible 001.JPG) (59 SF convertible 002.JPG) (59 SF convertible 003.JPG) (59 SF convertible 007.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 59 SF convertible 001.JPG (126KB - 300 downloads) 59 SF convertible 002.JPG (126KB - 299 downloads) 59 SF convertible 003.JPG (125KB - 301 downloads) 59 SF convertible 007.JPG (123KB - 298 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Before going too far, I wanted to fit the deck lid to the body, and was glad that I did- the rear panel behind the top well was arched up too high in the center, probably from the hit in the right side that the car had taken years ago. I corrected this with a hit from a large hammer onto a 2x4, which brought the panel down to where it should be. Next, I block sanded the hood and trunk lid with 400 grit, in preparation for painting. ('57 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('57 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '57 SF convertible 003.JPG (123KB - 297 downloads) '57 SF convertible 004.JPG (125KB - 272 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (124KB - 290 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (126KB - 287 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | I painted the bottoms of both the hood and deck lid, I may opt to use the greyish paint later, but this will keep rust away regardless. Next, I applied paint to the top surfaces. These will be stored in the loft until the car is ready for their installation. ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (126KB - 272 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (126KB - 289 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (125KB - 277 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (125KB - 298 downloads) | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 481 Location: The Netherlands | Don't forget the 2 small holes for the gold V on the trunk! Don't see them in your pics. Other than that, your work is great!! Want to see your car when it's done | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | Very fine work, my friend! She's looking great! Pete | ||
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Expert Posts: 1728 Location: Fleetwood, Pa | John, Is the final color of this car actually going to be black, or are you just putting gloss black on the sheet metal to make sure you got it all straight? That's exactly what I did with a car I restored about 20 years ago to make sure everything was nice and "straight"..... | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Matthew Keij - 2014-01-30 10:09 AM Don't forget the 2 small holes for the gold V on the trunk! Don't see them in your pics. Other than that, your work is great!! Want to see your car when it's done Thanks for reminding me, Matthew! Or should I call you Eagle eyes? The trunk lid did come from a six-cylinder car, so I will need to do that. At least I remembered to drill the holes for mounting the 'toilet seat' ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | SavoyPlaza - 2014-01-30 10:31 AM Very fine work, my friend! She's looking great! Pete Thanks, Pedro!! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | sidesho_bob1961 - 2014-01-30 1:15 PM John, Is the final color of this car actually going to be black, or are you just putting gloss black on the sheet metal to make sure you got it all straight? That's exactly what I did with a car I restored about 20 years ago to make sure everything was nice and "straight"..... The car will be solid black on the exterior, Bob, so this is the final coat on these parts. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | big m - 2014-01-30 4:38 PM Matthew Keij - 2014-01-30 10:09 AM Don't forget the 2 small holes for the gold V on the trunk! Don't see them in your pics. Other than that, your work is great!! Want to see your car when it's done Thanks for reminding me, Matthew! Or should I call you Eagle eyes? The trunk lid did come from a six-cylinder car, so I will need to do that. At least I remembered to drill the holes for mounting the 'toilet seat' ---John[/QUOTEWhere does the "Kitchen Sink" go??? | ||
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | NICE, John...you miracle worker, you! Impressive stuff! Your car is going from Rusty, Dusty, Crusty, and Musty...all the way to Lusty! (as in lustrous ) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | John, this is of a 58 PLY, but, after your trunk paint cures, you can slide-in 'these' deadener strips into it. (PICT0157.JPG) Attachments ---------------- PICT0157.JPG (109KB - 295 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Trunk detailing deserves its own thread, but, the first photo shows a fully-painted under-trunk and the second one shows a primer-sealer painted under-trunk (from Detroit and L.A. assembly plants), but both have those wimpy-cheap deadener strips applied to them. (PICT0158.JPG) (PICT0159.JPG) Attachments ---------------- PICT0158.JPG (102KB - 294 downloads) PICT0159.JPG (111KB - 273 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | so 59 plymouths did not have the card board like stuff (how do you name it?) sandwiched between the sheet metal?! | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | The 59 PLY's (or at least some of them...) had the full-width/1-piece asphaltic deadener panels in their trunks. John removed the full-size deadener from his car, but says that the deadener was too far deteriorated to save. The photos, above, are from 57-59 PLY's; I showed them as examples of how John can insulate his trunk, and to show that these 'strips' were installed on both the fully-painted trunk undersides, and on the L.A.-type sealer-primered trunks. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 692 Location: Los Angeles, California | I just hope more people learn the restoration techniques John uses, it will keep our classic cars in better shape, for a longer period of time. No cut corners with him...taking the hard way out to get the best prize in the end | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 982 Location: Upper Hunter NSW Australia | 57Kelii - 2014-02-01 11:21 PM I just hope more people learn the restoration techniques John uses, it will keep our classic cars in better shape, for a longer period of time. No cut corners with him...taking the hard way out to get the best prize in the end :) .... .. Agree 100% with that. I'm teaching my son what I can now so that when I'm gone and the worms are feeding on me he can do his bit to keep these great cars going and so on ................. Johns pics have been a great inspiration for me and I've gained some good insights and ideas from them .... .. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Glad these photos have been helpful, I do not have unlimited funds or time, so it goes rather slowly. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | big m - 2014-02-03 3:09 PM I thought all of you CA boys gots sa check!!! LOLGlad these photos have been helpful, I do not have unlimited funds or time, so it goes rather slowly. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2524 Location: Houston | John, In your opinion how important is it that the rotisserie be adjustable for height? The two main vertical uprights on your are telescopic, and have a hydraulic ram that allows you to raise and lower the body. Is that feature used as your work on the car, or is it just used to adjust the rotisserie to the car when you start, then left alone? I am planning to make my own and wonder if it necessary? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Greg, The main purpose is to allow the rotisserie to be used on practically any size car, but there were several times during the process that I either needed to raise, or lower the body to perform different jobs. It is a very handy feature, but certainly not necessary if you plan on restoring similar cars. I was originally going to build my own, but after watching the demo done at a local swap meet, put that idea aside. The entire unit [except hydraulic cylinders] is built locally, the steel is heavier than most, and the entire rotisserie was just over $1200. I couldn't justify building one as good as this at that price. If you'd like info, please let me know, I'd be happy to supply it. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2524 Location: Houston | Thanks John. I plan to make my own for a few reasons ....I need to justify all my expensive welding equipment for one thing! Actually I am going to make mine fairly portable....think of a trailer that is also a rotisserie. I want to be able to move it around easily, especially when I want to roll it to the back acreage to sandblast. I also have enough metal and axles lying around I will be all in for around $500. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Sounds good, Greg!! I like the idea of making it portable over rougher surfaces-That could be really handy!! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Back to the doors- There were some small holes where the sandblaster had blown the rust from the pitted metal that needed repair on the one door, the other had a half-inch hole punched through the bottom, maybe an attempt to provide drainage at one point. These I welded up and ground smooth. I block sanded the doors until they were nice and smooth. Temperature was dropping by the time I was ready to paint, but I got several good coats on, afterwards I fired up the smudge pot to heat the air and help the paint set up. ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (132KB - 253 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (125KB - 271 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (126KB - 275 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (127KB - 268 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (125KB - 276 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (126KB - 284 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (126KB - 295 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (124KB - 254 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (125KB - 261 downloads) | ||
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Veteran Posts: 121 Location: bossier city, louisiana | Y'know I never thought a car as rough as "Rusty" would come together so well over time.I am astounded by your craftsmanship Big M, this car will definitely be one to be proud of.So much devotion,time and and hard work has gone into this vehicle many people would have thrown in the towel way before but you just keep on truckin'. Keep it up won't be too long and we'll be able to lay our eyes on the finished product. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2312 Location: Arizona | That Edsel in the background darn near burned out my eyeballs..... | ||
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Expert Posts: 2524 Location: Houston | Definitely very nice going going on. I'm curious.....you can get away with painting the cars in pieces as the black is pretty well guaranteed to to match up. What technique would you use if you were painting it some other color, particularly a light metallic? I've always struggled with that one... | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | John - Do you have a spray booth or are you painting the cars out there in the open ? If it's out in the open, how do you avoid dust, and getting paint all over everything ? Also, are you painting with two stage or single stage ? Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | GregCon - 2014-02-19 4:22 AM Definitely very nice going going on. I'm curious.....you can get away with painting the cars in pieces as the black is pretty well guaranteed to to match up. What technique would you use if you were painting it some other color, particularly a light metallic? I've always struggled with that one... Greg- I am a far better body man than I am a painter, If I tried to paint metallic in sections, it would probably look awful. I do know there are folks out there that can, and do nice jobs this way, but I do not know the methods they use for the nice results. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2014-02-19 5:11 AM John - Do you have a spray booth or are you painting the cars out there in the open ? If it's out in the open, how do you avoid dust, and getting paint all over everything ? Also, are you painting with two stage or single stage ? Ron Ron, I do not have a spray booth, just an open barn. I can reduce the amount of dust in the paint by wetting the surrounding areas down before painting, and using a tack rag immediately before spraying. Nonetheless, there will always be something that gets in the paint, but I always plan on color sanding afterwards to remove most of the flaws. I am using single stage enamel, in my opinion, two stage black does not look nearly as black, as the clear coat deflects the blackness. If you are ever at a car show where there are two black cars next to each other, and one is painted with single, and the other, 2-stage, you'll see what I mean. I want this the most black possible to highlight the trim! ---John | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 481 Location: near St Augustine, FL | John, I am ONE HUNDRED PERCENT convinced there is nothing you can not do on a car. AMAZING! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I am also painting in peices and in the open, but with a metalic As John says, there will be contamination in the paint, but wetting down helps as does trying to keep things clean. I am useing acrylic paint and I am clear coating over the top. I havnt had any problems with colour matching, it all seems to match up fine, my biggest problem has been panel fit and the associated scratches that have happened lining things up (at least trying to anyway). The biggest problem with the metalic is that touching up with a paint brush still leaves the repair quite visible as the metalic particles seem to sort of hide with the brush and dont spread like they do out of the gun. Overspray has not been a concern either, I am useing a gravity feed gun that requires a lot less air pressure to use than the suction guns I used to use. Colour sanding a metalic takes a bit of the "bling" out of the paint as well, so once the colour is going on, I dont sand until the clear is on. What I have found is that if you look into the paint, it looks sort of rough (bumpy), but its as smooth as glass after the clear is sanded and polished. The clear is just that, clear. All it does is makes the base coat shine, you see straight through it, like water on the car I am not as good a body man as John, so no black for me | ||
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Veteran Posts: 161 Location: newton north carolina | John, what did you use for the sound deadening material in the trunk lid of your 59 Plymouth project? Dennis | ||
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Expert Posts: 2524 Location: Houston | I agree John, the base/clear coat paint have a more plastic-y look and are not as deep in appearance. I don't paint much anymore but I am thinking of doing my next car (57 Desoto) with single stage but possibly also laying a clear on top. I've done that before with good results. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1740 Location: Alaska | John, you mentioned the bats before.What are you doing to keep their mess off your project? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | Looking good John. I'm another one that wonders how you cover the painted pieces for storage. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | 58coupe - 2014-02-23 5:45 AM John, you mentioned the bats before.What are you doing to keep their mess off your project? The bats migrate south to Mexico for the winter, so at this time, they are not a concern. I built a loft down one side of the barn, that I have the painted parts stored at, covered with towels and plastic sheeting. There are occasional sparrows that will fly in, but I chase them off. A few years ago some pigeons were thinking of roosting in there, but the birdshot discouraged them permanently. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Painted the insides of the quarter panels, under the dash and deck areas, then all the floors. Almost ready to paint the exterior. ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (126KB - 291 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (125KB - 259 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (125KB - 264 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (126KB - 273 downloads) | ||
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Member Posts: 41 Location: Cognac , S-W of France | Great great job ! Bravo ! Edited by Metalshop16 2014-04-14 1:50 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 3155 Location: NY & VT | John and Jan are our "miracle workers" here at Forward Look.org. The rest of us can only just look on in awe. What a pleasure, and an inspiration, to see the process unfold. Edited by firedome 2014-04-14 8:44 PM | ||
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