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Location: Iowa/Arizona | Does anybody know what color the rims are supposed to be painted for a 58 Belvedere with full size hub caps? Red (car color)? Black? Some other color? |
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Location: CA | black, the Fury was argent. |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | They were all argent on the front and black on the back. |
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Location: Big pimpin' | adkins - 2010-07-18 11:23 PM
Does anybody know what color the rims are supposed to be painted for a 58 Belvedere with full size hub caps? Red (car color)? Black? Some other color?
If you were going for the "Christine" look, then they would be Silver... |
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Location: CA | I'm not so sure about that. I've never had a Belv with silver wheels and I was the second owner of one of them I had. Not that it's a big deal.. |
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | Black on the front, Mopar blue/grey color (unpainted primer) on reverse side. This has been discussed many times. There was a change halfway through the assembly run.
This is documented in a Mopar technical service bulletin somewhere, I will try and find it.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | My late Evansville-built, probably around May/June 58, 58 Savoy has Argent Silver rims, not sure the back, but I would say black. This car has 40K miles on it, mostly untouched car except for body repaint some time ago. My Belvedere Conv built May 22nd 1958 and same plant is the same too. |
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Location: CA | There may be factory anomalies which are questionable at best but this was a question of how they were supposed to be. |
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | Not sure if this is a cool thing to do or not, but here are the answers from a previous discussion on this matter. For what it's worth, my vote goes towards green/blue/grey Mopar primer color on inside, with gloss black blown through from outside, as on the last response.
Glenn.
Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:40:31 -0500
From:"Mel Bohnenkamp"
Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:16:03 EDT
From: Woomerj@aol.com I believe they are black, at least that's what color mine are. I'll see if I can find out if that is original and get back to you. Sorry for not answering sooner but was on vacation. Jim Woomer
Date:Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:26:41 +0200
From: "Daniel Andersson" I do not know!! Mine is black...but what the original color is...? I have a judge-guide for 56-58 Fury, I will check it for you. Daniel
Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:42:27 EDT
From: Woomerj@aol.com Glenn, We checked the experts at the Plymouth Owner's Club and they said that the wheels could be either body color(buckskin beige) or black. They said black was the more correct color. What they mean about "more correct" is a mystery to me. Mine are black. Jim Woomer
Subject: [FWDLK] Argent wheels?
Date: 1 Jan 1999
From: David Grove Automotive
Don't know about the 57 - 58's, but my 59 was indeed equipped with argent wheels. I thought the car would look better with black or body color wheels - which I tried. I figured out that Mopar knew just a little more about what looks good than I did! The car did NOT look good or even "right" with anything other than argent wheels (using stock wheel covers). The same goes for the front gravel shield - or whatever they call that in front of the grille up to the bumper, and the panel under the bumper. I have seen body color on those too - and it just doesn't get it. Just thought I'd add that.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999
From: "Larry C. Stanley"
All, I have a low mileage Savoy with the original spare in the trunk. It is on a silver wheel with grey on the back. There are some red grease pencil inspection markings in the front of the wheel. I also have an unrestored Saratoga parts car that has five black wheels. Both are '58s. I agree that to find the right color remove paint to the last layers and go from there. The factory seems to have used a grey paint for a primer on the wheels and painted silver or black over it. Larry
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999
From: Ron Waters
From what I know, the wheels should be argent (silver). In the case of 58-59 Dodges, the wheels I've seen are painted Gray on the inside and white on the outside. Go figure ...Ron
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999
From: Roger Howard
Thanks to those of you who braved the waters of "what color are the wheels supposed to be?"! I learned first-hand the futility of discussing paint color to closed minds. I will not drag that one out of the closet again, but I will say that since none of us was at the factories' exits watching the cars come off the line, NONE of us can pronounce the correct wheel color. As with everything else in life, we look for tangible evidence (an original wheel). But sceptics will say that wheel might have been sandblasted clean and re-painted in a different color. So then, as with scientists and archaeologists, we look for ALL the evidence we can find and formulate a theory from that evidence. If 50,000 wheels are found to be painted silver, that tips the balance pretty far into factory silver, and so on. But is just that, a theory. And who do we trust to collect all that evidence anyway? Perhaps all future questions to the Forward Look should be understood to be asking...what do the MAJORITY of you Mopar owners out there have on your cars? Many (not most) people with restored cars think their cars are "as from the factory". Could be an eye-opener for some of them. We are a stubborn bunch and we will stick to our own beliefs, despite what anybody says. So rather than trying to shake people's beliefs, I will just state for the benefit (?) of the guy who asked.....all of the nine 1959 MoPars I've owned here in the Pacific Northwest have had silver wheels to match the under-front bumper "gravel shield". Regardless of what color you choose, be prepared for "lively" discussion if you put your car in a show, and hope the judges see it your way! Good luck.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999
From: Paul E Wingfield III
I've got a Chrysler Corp. ad for '57 showing a car from each division and the wheels are body color. I was telling a friend whose a Studebaker club member about this debate. He said his club had a big debate about the same thing. Seems the factory use many different colours, cream, black, silver, and body color depending what their suppliers had. Also different plants used different colours. Paul Wingfield
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999
From: Jack Luiten
my '58s that Ive had over the years were all from LA and all came with black rims .
According to the Plymouth Product Information News dated September 1957 (in our 9/2001 Newsletter) - "Chassis Wheel Color Changed" 'The color of the outside wheel surface has been changed on all 1957 Plymouth cars built in Detroit (Furys built in Detroit in '57) beginning August 20, 1957. Wheels on these cars are now painted an aluminum finish.' Since the '58s started rolling onto Dealer Showroom floors in October 1957, seems to me with your production #, ie, late in the run (last 19%), you could get away with your choice of colors - Sand Dune white or Aluminum. Regarding the inside of the wheels, the "ugly" greenish bluish gray was correct for '56 and '57 wheels painted the exterior color. Do not know whether when they switched to Aluminum finish they did the whole wheel in Aluminum or just the side the wheel cover mounted on. Hope this helps. Regards, Jack Lewis
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:59:07 EST
From: Woomerj@aol.com
I just checked the spare tire of my 57 Belvedere, which I am sure is the original color, and the inside is a blueish silver and the outside is black. The car was manufactured in June 1957. Were the wheels on a Fury the same as a Belvedere?? Jim Woomer
From: Woomerj@aol.com
John, I crawled under and looked and they appear to be the same as the spare. The outsides are definitely black. Jim
Larry Stanley wrote: I have a '58 Savoy with the original Goodyear spare in the trunk (27,000 mile car). The rim (5x14) is silver with the 'blue-grey' primer finish like what is on the bottom of the trunk lid on the back. There is silver overspray where the slots near the center are. This rim also still has a red grease pencil mark made by the factory quality control inspector. Larry
From: eddee
I say black-agree with you I have looked at a slew of pics of 57 Furys ALL BLACK
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Wheel Color
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:00:43 -0500
From: "Ron Waters"
Glenn - I think this varies by where the Ply was built. My Newark-built 58 Ply has silver wheels. I've also seen black. I don't think body color-painted wheels were ever correct. Just too expensive to produce for the inexpensive Plymouth. Ron
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Wheel Color
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:25:55 -0500
From: "Edward X. Petrus"
For DeSoto in 1957, the entire wheel was sprayed the gray color that I believe you refer to as the slate gray. Then the outer wheel only was sprayed gloss black, with some overspray going through the brake cooling slots. Those observations were made by Wayne Graefen in his 57 Adventurer restoration handbook, and I've found them to be true. Ed Petrus
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Location: CA | That's great! I thought the argent silver wheels were more for Furys but I guess it would depend upon the factory. The "dog dish" equipped cars had the wheels painted body color or at least mine is. |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | My 57 Savoy, which has been in my family since 57, had silver wheels with the black/gray/odd mix paint on the back. That same mix paint is very gray in the trunk, but almost black on the wheels.
I know for a fact that my wheels were never painted before I got the car. That's one advantage of having a clear line of ownership. I know nothing was changed. |
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Location: Ny | I added pictures on another thread about this same topic featuring an original wheel from my 55 Fireflite. It was black with the inner part of the wheel showing the blue/grey primer as well. |
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Like many other things, it most likely differed by assembly plant and time of build. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Back in '04, Ron Waters wrote, above, that he didn't think that body colored wheels were ever used in/on the 57(+?)
Plymouths.
Did the Dog-Dish cars NOT receive body-colored wheels on them?
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | Yet another unconclusive discussion full of opinions. I especially like what Roger Howard wrote in '99.
"I will say that since none of us was at the factories' exits watching the cars come off the line, NONE of us can pronounce the correct wheel color. As with everything else in life, we look for tangible evidence (an original wheel). But sceptics will say that wheel might have been sandblasted clean and re-painted in a different color. So then, as with scientists and archaeologists, we look for ALL the evidence we can find and formulate a theory from that evidence. If 50,000 wheels are found to be painted silver, that tips the balance pretty far into factory silver, and so on. But is just that, a theory. And who do we trust to collect all that evidence anyway?"
I like to approach these impossible to prove discussions with an open mind. If I can learn something today or be proved wrong on something that I believed yesterday then all good. As long as there is irrefutable evidence to prove it. Not "my car which I bought last year has blah blah blah then it must be how it came out of the factory, because my cousin's wife's greengrocer told me so...".
So here is some evidence that I would like to present to the court, with all due respect. Glenn.
 (Design proof-58 Fury-left front.JPG)
 (Photo-57 Chrysler 4dhdtp press2.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Chrysler 4dhdtp press.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Chrysler New Yorker 2dhdtp-press release.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Chrysler New Yorker Police wagon.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Chrysler Windsor 4dhdtp.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Dodge Coronet Cnvtbl-Beckers Root Beer.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth-4 door-factory.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth 2dhdtp-car dealer postcard.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth 2dhdtp-dealer with lady.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth 4door sedan-with woman.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth 4door-at curb#.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth 4dr-snapshot.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth Conv2.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth Fury from front right.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth Fury from rear fin.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth Fury-July 14, 1957.jpg)
 (Photo-57 Plymouth-missile factory.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Chrysler 4dhdtp-press release.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Chrysler 300D-front-right.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth 2dhdtp-Exner design studio print.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth 4dhdtp-Exner design studio print.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-design studio print.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-Exner design studio print.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-press release2.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-press release3-under trees.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-Press release-1137846208.jpg)
 (Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-studio shoot of B&W Glossy.jpg)
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Photo-57 Chrysler 4dhdtp press2.jpg (52KB - 137 downloads)
Photo-57 Chrysler 4dhdtp press.jpg (20KB - 145 downloads)
Photo-57 Chrysler New Yorker 2dhdtp-press release.jpg (10KB - 131 downloads)
Photo-57 Chrysler New Yorker Police wagon.jpg (53KB - 146 downloads)
Photo-57 Chrysler Windsor 4dhdtp.jpg (22KB - 140 downloads)
Photo-57 Dodge Coronet Cnvtbl-Beckers Root Beer.jpg (41KB - 137 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth-4 door-factory.jpg (102KB - 137 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth 2dhdtp-car dealer postcard.jpg (41KB - 130 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth 2dhdtp-dealer with lady.jpg (64KB - 143 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth 4door sedan-with woman.jpg (15KB - 137 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth 4door-at curb#.jpg (78KB - 136 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth 4dr-snapshot.jpg (45KB - 145 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth Conv2.jpg (53KB - 146 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth Fury from front right.jpg (13KB - 130 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth Fury from rear fin.jpg (91KB - 134 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth Fury-July 14, 1957.jpg (55KB - 136 downloads)
Photo-57 Plymouth-missile factory.jpg (209KB - 129 downloads)
Photo-58 Chrysler 4dhdtp-press release.jpg (13KB - 149 downloads)
Photo-58 Chrysler 300D-front-right.jpg (82KB - 151 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth 2dhdtp-Exner design studio print.jpg (53KB - 140 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth 4dhdtp-Exner design studio print.jpg (50KB - 142 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-design studio print.jpg (45KB - 155 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-Exner design studio print.jpg (54KB - 140 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-press release2.jpg (25KB - 138 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-press release3-under trees.jpg (243KB - 147 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-Press release-1137846208.jpg (24KB - 144 downloads)
Photo-58 Plymouth Fury-studio shoot of B&W Glossy.jpg (37KB - 150 downloads)
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Location: bishop, ca | 57 Dodges all have the Eggshell colored wheels, unless the cars had the small Dog Dish hubcaps,
in which case the wheels were painted in the car's primary color.
In the posed photo, above, the Coronet convertible is a stripper model, without even a radio installed in it,
and its painted in a standard single-color scheme.
I can't prove this, but it seems reasonable the the car was provided for this 'cheerleader' promotional photo
by the local dealership, which may have tried to jazz-up the car's appearance by replacing the strandard-
equipment dog dish hubcaps with the optional full-width wheel covers.
It also seems reasonable that a private-owner of this car would have opted for the deluxe Spinner wheelcovers,
if he was upgrading from the dog dishers.
Over on the Members Rides board, under the 57 Adventurer thread, is a good view of an original-condition/survivor
all-black Custom Royal (D500, coincidentally) convertible, and it, correctly, has the Eggshell colored wheels on it.
Edited by d500neil 2010-07-24 8:30 PM
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | The spare wheel in the trunk of my Chrysli has a black colored rim. It's a 1956 Chrysler New Yorker Special Newport.
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