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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Any guesses on this one? Is it a 1960 Chrysler or DeSoto? It has a 1960 New Yorker Grille and Chrysler fenders, & the wheelbase, looking at the length of the front fenders looks to be 122" ( New Yorkers are 126"), it has a DeSoto 122" WB bumper ( evidenced by the outward bumper guards, N/A on Chrysler), has DeSoto wheel covers, and it is a four door sedan with a Sky High rear Window ( Standard on 60 DeSoto Adventurer sedans). It also has wheel opening stainless steel mouldings, standard on 60 DeSoto Adventurers and New Yorkers, but not Windsor or Saratoga. What is it ??? ;- ) - anyone's guess. Wish I could see the interior or rear. The front bumper is definitely wrong for a New Yorker, but correct for a Windsor, or DeSoto, as the mounting brackets were welded to the back. On New Yorkers and Saratoga the brackets were mounted to the bumper with standard cap bolts. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 5:50 PM (P1180986.jpg) Attachments ---------------- P1180986.jpg (118KB - 88 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2679 | 1960 Chrysler, 4 door ht, probably a New Yorker.... Edited by 59CRL 2010-09-14 5:46 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | 59CRL - 2010-09-14 2:42 PM 1960 Chrysler, 4 door ht, probably a New Yorker.... It can't be a New Yorker, as the wheelbase looks to be 122" and it has the a DeSoto or Windsor bumper which won't bolt on to the New Yorker. It's also a sedan, not a hardtop. The point is, without actually seeing the car close, or seeing the interior and dash board it is impossible to know what it really is :-) Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 5:55 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | The photo is from Adriana's USA trip, maybe she looked at it up close. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2679 | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:51 PM The photo is from Adriana's USA trip, maybe she looked at it up close. It's a hardtop, look at the roof line also, but I agree, hard to tell the model... has the nyker grill..... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Definitely a DeSoto Adventurer with a New Yorker grille but no DeSoto side trim. The New Yorker post sedan was not available with the high back window. The only '60 Mopar 4dr post sedan with the high rear window was the Adventurer. It also has the Adventurer bumper bullets. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | 59CRL - 2010-09-14 2:56 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:51 PM The photo is from Adriana's USA trip, maybe she looked at it up close. It's a hardtop, look at the roof line also, but I agree, hard to tell the model... has the nyker grill..... It's definitely NOT a hardtop, check the thickness of the center pillars - those are sedan pillars. IT does have the large rear window used mostly in hardtops, which was optional on the Chrysler sedans and standard on the Adventurer sedan. Definitely a NYer grille. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 2:58 PM Definitely a DeSoto Adventurer with a New Yorker grille but no DeSoto side trim. The New Yorker post sedan was not available with the high back window. The only '60 Mopar 4dr post sedan with the high rear window was the Adventurer. It also has the Adventurer bumper bullets. The New Yorker sedan was avaiable at extra cost with a high back rear window, according to literature that I have ( parts manual shows it ). I tend to agree its a DeSoto Sedan, but the front fenders would also be Chrysler fenders - there is extra sheet metal filler around the parking lights that is not on the DeSoto fenders. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 4:47 PM and it has the a DeSoto or Windsor bumper which won't bolt on to the New Yorker. I have never heard this before. How can you tell the difference between a Windsor and New Yorker bumper? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:03 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 4:47 PM and it has the a DeSoto or Windsor bumper which won't bolt on to the New Yorker. I have never heard this before. How can you tell the difference between a Windsor and New Yorker bumper? They are 2 diff. part numbers but physically look alike. The New Yorker / Saratoga bumper attaches to the frame brackets with standard cap bolts. The Windsor and DeSoto bumper has the brackets welded onto it from behind. So on the DeSoto or Windsor, you have to unbolt the brackets from the frame rather than the bumper. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:02 PM The New Yorker sedan was avaiable at extra cost with a high back rear window, according to literature that I have ( parts manual shows it ). . According to an old NAGS list I have (thanks Wayne), the high back window was not available on any Chrysler post sedan. Sounds like an info conflict? In any case, I went through over 100 photos of Chrysler post sedans and none of them had the high rear windows. On another note, notice the DeSoto side trim ghost shows up on the front door. Looks like the front clip was replaced at some time (except the bumper) with a Windsor clip and NY grille. Looks like a hodge-podge car. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:10 PM slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:03 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 4:47 PM and it has the a DeSoto or Windsor bumper which won't bolt on to the New Yorker. I have never heard this before. How can you tell the difference between a Windsor and New Yorker bumper? They are 2 diff. part numbers but physically look alike. The New Yorker / Saratoga bumper attaches to the frame brackets with standard cap bolts. The Windsor and DeSoto bumper has the brackets welded onto it from behind. So on the DeSoto or Windsor, you have to unbolt the brackets from the frame rather than the bumper. So how can you i.d. the difference from 40', as you have done in this photo? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | It seems to be there can be several possibilities for this car, since it is the 122" wheelbase as evidenced by the short front fenders / hood & Windsor/DeSoto bumper: It could be a DeSoto Adventurer Sedan with the front fenders replaced with Chrysler Windsor fenders, a New Yorker grille, and left with a DeSoto bumper, and with the DeSoto body side modings removed. It could be a Chrysler Windsor 122" WB sedan ( with Sky high rear window - not likely ) with a New Yorker grille and DeSoto bumper, with Chrysler Windsor body side moldings removed. It could possibly be a Chrysler New Yorker that was in a horrific front end accident, had the entire front clip AND stub frame replaced with the shorter 122" WB front clip and stub frame from a Windsor or DeSoto and left with a New Yorker grille and DeSoto bumper. New Yorkers had no mid-height body side mouldings like this car, but did have Wheel lip mouldings like this car. Fun to guess but I wonder what the truth is on it :-) Wish I could see the interior! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:03 PM So how can you i.d. the difference from 40', as you have done in this photo? It's actually quite easy to see or not see the bumper bolts on these cars, if it has them - see below . The Windsor and DeSoto bumpers do not have any bolts through them, as shown on the hybrid car. I'm only trying to have some fun here, guessing what this is. The WIndsor and DeSoto bumper will not fit on the longer wheelbase Saratoga and New Yorker. As to the length of the front fenders, the distance between the wheel opening and door opening is an extra four inches on the LWB cars and if you have looked at them enough, as I've been doing for years, its fairly easy to spot the difference. I'll try to post some photos of the difference. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 7:03 PM (IMG_0389.JPG) Attachments ---------------- IMG_0389.JPG (45KB - 92 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | I'm betting on its being a DeSoto, if only based upon its still-remaining wheel covers. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Here's a coupla pics that show the difference between the long and short fenders for 60 Chrysler / DeSoto. (60DES-1.jpg) (100_0497.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60DES-1.jpg (46KB - 88 downloads) 100_0497.jpg (28KB - 91 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:14 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:02 PM The New Yorker sedan was avaiable at extra cost with a high back rear window, according to literature that I have ( parts manual shows it ). . According to an old NAGS list I have (thanks Wayne), the high back window was not available on any Chrysler post sedan. Sounds like an info conflict? In any case, I went through over 100 photos of Chrysler post sedans and none of them had the high rear windows. On another note, notice the DeSoto side trim ghost shows up on the front door. Looks like the front clip was replaced at some time (except the bumper) with a Windsor clip and NY grille. Looks like a hodge-podge car. I think you're right about it being a DeSoto .... now that I look close I can see the "ghost outline" of the DeSoto trim on the front door. but I'm gonna check my parts manual tonight for the rear window info ( its a Canadian parts manual ). I've got over 800 photos of 60 Chryslers -so I'm gonna have to look through them to see if I can find a sedan with the high rear window. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 7:28 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2679 | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 7:09 PM Here's a coupla pics that show the difference between the long and short fenders for 60 Chrysler / DeSoto. Also shows the car is a hardtop and not a sedan...... I should know it looks exactly like my HT | ||
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Expert Posts: 1480 Location: Australia | if you had just asked the person who took the photo it would have saved you all this discussion... its a '60 adventurer with a chrysler front clip... i guess it got bent earlier in its life... it has been sitting for ages, andrew found it on his last trip... it is locked away, so had to zoom in through the fence... adriana | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 384 Location: Hershey PA | 1960 DeSoto Adventurer 4 door hardtop Front fender looks like DeSoto- the area under the headlight for the turn signals is shaped for DeSoto. The fenders are on a smaller wb car. Might that be a slight indentation front/center of the hood which is DeSoto DeSotos has ornaments on the top of the front fenders the wheeel covers are DeSoto the ghost of the DeSoto chrome line on the door there is no window surrounds with the chrome cover the taillights look more filled out rather than boomerang | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | suburban61 - 2010-09-14 5:34 PM if you had just asked the person who took the photo it would have saved you all this discussion... its a '60 adventurer with a chrysler front clip... i guess it got bent earlier in its life... it has been sitting for ages, andrew found it on his last trip... it is locked away, so had to zoom in through the fence... adriana :) Well, I knew you probably had the answer but it made for some interesting discussion eh? :-) Interesting to see the DeSoto bumper was used on it though. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | 59 explorer - 2010-09-14 5:54 PM 1960 DeSoto Adventurer 4 door hardtop Front fender looks like DeSoto- the area under the headlight for the turn signals is shaped for DeSoto. The fenders are on a smaller wb car. Might that be a slight indentation front/center of the hood which is DeSoto DeSotos has ornaments on the top of the front fenders the wheel covers are DeSoto the ghost of the DeSoto chrome line on the door there is no window surrounds with the chrome cover the taillights look more filled out rather than boomerang The front fenders are definitely Chrysler fenders - the sheet metal is different around the parking lights. The fender top ornaments on this car were also standard on New Yorkers, and optional on Windsor and Saratoga. Your eyesight must be incredible to see the tail lights!! :-) However, I do see stainless/chrome covers on the side window surrounds. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 496 | It's a sedan. The pillars have been painted black. This was a fun game Ian! Aaron (P1180986_crop.jpg) Attachments ---------------- P1180986_crop.jpg (7KB - 85 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 9:55 PM The fender top ornaments on this car were also standard on New Yorkers, and optional on Windsor and Saratoga. . True. But those fender top ornaments were also available options on all DeSoto models. I am enjoying this thread. I had no idea there were so many non-interchangable body parts on '60 DeSoto vs Chrysler. I did not know the painted panel behind the front parking lights were different. Edited by slimwhitman 2010-09-14 11:11 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:14 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:02 PM The New Yorker sedan was avaiable at extra cost with a high back rear window, according to literature that I have ( parts manual shows it ). . According to an old NAGS list I have (thanks Wayne), the high back window was not available on any Chrysler post sedan. Sounds like an info conflict? In any case, I went through over 100 photos of Chrysler post sedans and none of them had the high rear windows. On another note, notice the DeSoto side trim ghost shows up on the front door. Looks like the front clip was replaced at some time (except the bumper) with a Windsor clip and NY grille. Looks like a hodge-podge car. I have my parts manual open to the rear window section, and it lists the Solex Rear Window, 33 3/4" high, P/N 1952-643 as being available on Chrysler / Dodge Polara/Matador and DeSoto four door hardtops AND four door sedans. The small rear window, 21 3/4" is P/N 1869-630 ( solex) or P/N 1954-217 ( non-solex) and also listed for door HT and 4 door Sedans. The Darts and Plymouth also used a high back rear window, P/N 1954-237 but it is a slightly shorter than the Dodge-DeSoto-Chrysler window and ONLY listed for the four door hardtops. I also scanned the picture below from my parts manual. Whether they actually BUILT any four door sedans in Chrysler or Dodge with the high back rear window is a matter of conjecture. I can't find any photos among my over 800, but clearly, the parts manual shows it as being an option. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 11:12 PM (four door sedan large rear window.JPG) Attachments ---------------- four door sedan large rear window.JPG (102KB - 98 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 8:08 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 9:55 PM The fender top ornaments on this car were also standard on New Yorkers, and optional on Windsor and Saratoga. . True. But those fender top ornaments were also available options on all DeSoto models. I am enjoying this thread. I had no idea there were so many non-interchangable body parts on '60 DeSoto vs Chrysler. I did not know the painted panel behind the front parking lights were different. Yup, I enjoy this type of trivial stuff. For example, the DeSoto LF fender P/N is 1863-427, while the Windsor is 1863-631, and the Sara/ NYer is 1903-851 I wish I had a picture of the bare fenders to post here, to show the difference around the pk. lights. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | C-300 - 2010-09-14 8:01 PM It's a sedan. The pillars have been painted black. This was a fun game Ian! Aaron I think they're chrome, but look kind of dark, don't look real black to me. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-14 10:09 PM slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 3:14 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 5:02 PM The New Yorker sedan was avaiable at extra cost with a high back rear window, according to literature that I have ( parts manual shows it ). . According to an old NAGS list I have (thanks Wayne), the high back window was not available on any Chrysler post sedan. Sounds like an info conflict? In any case, I went through over 100 photos of Chrysler post sedans and none of them had the high rear windows. On another note, notice the DeSoto side trim ghost shows up on the front door. Looks like the front clip was replaced at some time (except the bumper) with a Windsor clip and NY grille. Looks like a hodge-podge car. I have my parts manual open to the rear window section, and it lists the Solex Rear Window, 33 3/4" high, P/N 1952-643 as being available on Chrysler / Dodge Polara/Matador and DeSoto four door hardtops AND four door sedans. The small rear window, 21 3/4" is P/N 1869-630 ( solex) or P/N 1954-217 ( non-solex) and also listed for door HT and 4 door Sedans. The Darts and Plymouth also used a high back rear window, P/N 1954-237 but it is a slightly shorter than the Dodge-DeSoto-Chrysler window and ONLY listed for the four door hardtops. I also scanned the picture below from my parts manual. Whether they actually BUILT any four door sedans in Chrysler or Dodge with the high back rear window is a matter of conjecture. I can't find any photos among my over 800, but clearly, the parts manual shows it as being an option. Is this parts book something that was produced as the '60 models were being introduced in 1959? If so, perhaps they planned to offer the high-back glass on the Chrysler sedans? It didn't seem to happen. I trust the NAGS book over an early printing Chrysler parts book. A lot of last minute changes happen that don't make it into the parts book. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | So here's pictures of the 2 different front bumpers - Can anyone tell me how the DeSoto / Windsor bumper actually is attached??? This looks kind of strange to me, as to how the brackets are mounted / attached. There are no holes in the bumper for mounting brackets. Slim, how about taking a look at your DeSoto front bumper for us to see how it's mounted to those tiny little brackets. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-14 11:54 PM (Front Bumper DeSoto & Windsor.JPG) (Front Bumper Saratoga, NYer & 300F.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Front Bumper DeSoto & Windsor.JPG (46KB - 88 downloads) Front Bumper Saratoga, NYer & 300F.JPG (73KB - 105 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-14 8:25 PM Is this parts book something that was produced as the '60 models were being introduced in 1959? If so, perhaps they planned to offer the high-back glass on the Chrysler sedans? It didn't seem to happen. I trust the NAGS book over an early printing Chrysler parts book. A lot of last minute changes happen that don't make it into the parts book. This parts book of mine was printed in February, 1961 but is a 1960 Parts Manual from Chrysler Canada. It also lists parts differences etc. between Canadian and US production models. Another bit of trivia about the high back rear windows - starting in 1962, in the USA only the New Yorkers received the high back window on the four door hardtops - EXCEPT in Canada, the Windsor and Saratoga 4 door hardtops also received them as standard equipment. The US built Newport and 300-Sport only got the low rear windows. And by the way, the Canadian 60 DeSoto Adventurer sedan had the low back window as standard equipment. I owned one way back in '77. Here's a scan of my parts manual cover. I agree, books are often wrong. I have a repair manual ( again by Chrysler Canada ) that states that the 62 Dodge 880 uses the same dash board and instrument cluster as the 62 Chrysler. Those Dodge 880s weren't even available for sale in Canada. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-15 12:32 AM (1960 Parts Manual Canada.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1960 Parts Manual Canada.JPG (188KB - 88 downloads) | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13055 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | imopar380 - 2010-09-15 12:48 AM It could possibly be a Chrysler New Yorker that was in a horrific front end accident, had the entire front clip AND stub frame replaced with the shorter 122" WB front clip and stub frame from a Windsor or DeSoto and left with a New Yorker grille and DeSoto bumper. New Yorkers had no mid-height body side mouldings like this car, but did have Wheel lip mouldings like this car. Fun to guess but I wonder what the truth is on it :-) Wish I could see the interior! The stub frame from a Windsor does not fit on a NY/Saratoga Ian - the floor pan is different too! That means that the stub frame fixation points in the floor are at different location. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2010-09-14 10:36 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-15 12:48 AM It could possibly be a Chrysler New Yorker that was in a horrific front end accident, had the entire front clip AND stub frame replaced with the shorter 122" WB front clip and stub frame from a Windsor or DeSoto and left with a New Yorker grille and DeSoto bumper. New Yorkers had no mid-height body side mouldings like this car, but did have Wheel lip mouldings like this car. Fun to guess but I wonder what the truth is on it :-) Wish I could see the interior! The stub frame from a Windsor does not fit on a NY/Saratoga Ian - the floor pan is different too! That means that the stub frame fixation points in the floor are at different location. Sven, thanks for that tidbit, I would never have guessed that the 126" WB cars had a different floor pan than the 122" cars. I'd like to know how that front bumper attaches on the 122" WB cars.... doesn't seem to be much in the way of mounting brackets. | ||
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Expert Posts: 4046 Location: Connecticut | If we know where this car is located, maybe there's a list member that lives nearby that can head over there and do some detailed photos, including the VIN and trim plate. Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | ronbo97 - 2010-09-15 12:03 PM If we know where this car is located, maybe there's a list member that lives nearby that can head over there and do some detailed photos, including the VIN and trim plate. Ron Ron, Adriana took the photo - says the car is a DeSoto with Chrysler front clip and DeSoto bumper. Would be a Windsor front clip, New Yorker grille with DeSoto bumper. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13055 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Now that we know that this is more or less a boult on modification, I would like to share my fantasy with you. A Windsor T&C, with a DeSoto front clip, DeSoto side trim and DeSoto tail lights. To create the car that never existed! The interior could remain totally Chrysler, or changed for a DeSoto interior, but always with the AstraDome instrument cluster. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2010-09-15 2:04 PM Now that we know that this is more or less a boult on modification, I would like to share my fantasy with you. A Windsor T&C, with a DeSoto front clip, DeSoto side trim and DeSoto tail lights. To create the car that never existed! The interior could remain totally Chrysler, or changed for a DeSoto interior, but always with the AstraDome instrument cluster. Now that's an idea. The DeSoto instrument cluster itself, is pretty cool, though, much like the Dodge cluster but the speedometer is shrouded in on the DeSoto and open at the rear on the Dodge. Or how about a Chrysler 300-F Wagon, complete with grille and body side trim and HD suspension, 4 bucket seats, console.....except the 300-F side trim won't fit on a 4 door..... Edited by imopar380 2010-09-15 6:42 PM | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | slimwhitman - 2010-09-15 8:08 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 9:55 PM The fender top ornaments on this car were also standard on New Yorkers, and optional on Windsor and Saratoga. . True. But those fender top ornaments were also available options on all DeSoto models. I am enjoying this thread. I had no idea there were so many non-interchangable body parts on '60 DeSoto vs Chrysler. I did not know the painted panel behind the front parking lights were different. ************************************************** If you see these fenders up close and in person, you will see that the engineers carefully designed the sheetmetal to have breaks in the stampings that allowed different bits to be welded on them to make one basic piece fit several applications with the specific added weld-ons. Referring to the 57-58 fenders, the basic fender blank fits all Chrysler and DeSoto models but Firesweeps and the 58 Windsor. However, go try to bolt one up to the wrong car and see what happens ! It may *fit*, but nothing aligns or works because of model-specific weld-ons. On the aforementioned, there is a skirting in the lower front that is totally different between Chrysler and DeSoto. Similarly, the back plate in the headlight pocket is a special welded-in unit to facilitate a single or dual headlamp installation. My memory is getting fuzzy on the specifics of the 60 Chrysler vs. DeSoto construction, but I am sure it is a similar deal. The fender ornaments were standard fare on Adventurer (perhaps optional on Fireflite?) and were a whole different critter than what Chrysler offered. Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-09-16 10:04 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-16 7:02 PM slimwhitman - 2010-09-15 8:08 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-14 9:55 PM The fender top ornaments on this car were also standard on New Yorkers, and optional on Windsor and Saratoga. . True. But those fender top ornaments were also available options on all DeSoto models. I am enjoying this thread. I had no idea there were so many non-interchangable body parts on '60 DeSoto vs Chrysler. I did not know the painted panel behind the front parking lights were different. ************************************************** The fender ornaments were standard fare on Adventurer (perhaps optional on Fireflite?) and were a whole different critter than what Chrysler offered. Brent, I'm gonna respectfully disagree on the fender top ornaments, they are one and the same for 60 Chrysler and DeSoto. see pics. I also have quite a few pictures of Adventurers Without them, and some Fireflites with them so they seem to be optional on both. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-16 10:21 PM (4103.jpg) (300inc-ii.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 4103.jpg (46KB - 89 downloads) 300inc-ii.jpg (81KB - 86 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Interesting ! Are we sure that is a stock item on the Chrysler . I mean not a DeSoto fender ornament mounted on a Chrysler ? I KNOW that is right for the DeSoto, but always thought the Chrysler had a different unit ???? I guess my brain is fading after 20 years ! Your photos nicely show the sheetmetal break line being the same on both the Chrysler and DeSoto as I mentioned above. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | imopar380 - 2010-09-16 9:17 PM Brent, I'm gonna respectfully disagree on the fender top ornaments, they are one and the same for 60 Chrysler and DeSoto. see pics. I also have quite a few pictures of Adventurers Without them, and some Fireflites with them so they seem to be optional on both. This is true. These fendertop ornaments were optional on any '60 DeSoto, though probably more common on Adventurers than Fireflites. Not standard equipment on any model. I do not know about the Chrysler applications. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-16 8:50 PM Interesting ! Are we sure that is a stock item on the Chrysler . I mean not a DeSoto fender ornament mounted on a Chrysler ? I KNOW that is right for the DeSoto, but always thought the Chrysler had a different unit ???? I guess my brain is fading after 20 years ! Your photos nicely show the sheetmetal break line being the same on both the Chrysler and DeSoto as I mentioned above. Yes, that sheet metal break is easily seen, and that front section of sheet metal around the lights was different on each car. And yes, the fender top ornament is the correct one for Chrysler too. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | slimwhitman - 2010-09-16 9:02 PM imopar380 - 2010-09-16 9:17 PM Brent, I'm gonna respectfully disagree on the fender top ornaments, they are one and the same for 60 Chrysler and DeSoto. see pics. I also have quite a few pictures of Adventurers Without them, and some Fireflites with them so they seem to be optional on both. This is true. These fendertop ornaments were optional on any '60 DeSoto, though probably more common on Adventurers than Fireflites. Not standard equipment on any model. I do not know about the Chrysler applications. The ornament was standard only on the New Yorker, and optional on all others. My Saratoga doesn't have them. I've seen a few sets for sale on Ebay and have thought about getting a set but I think I 'd rather have the fendertops un-adorned - and its also easier to clean the fenders without the extra stuff on them. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1111 Location: Ocala, Florida | For sure a 4 door SEDAN, and the trim is stainless, not painted black. It is not a hardtop. For anyone who can't see this, it's plain as day. Might want to lighten the contrast on your computer monitor. For the record, I had a Chrysler sedan with the big back window once, so they must have made a few. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | realgone58 - 2010-09-17 12:04 PM For sure a 4 door SEDAN, and the trim is stainless, not painted black. It is not a hardtop. For anyone who can't see this, it's plain as day. Might want to lighten the contrast on your computer monitor. For the record, I had a Chrysler sedan with the big back window once, so they must have made a few. I think the stainless trim appears to be black, from the reflection of the black wall that it's sitting in front of. I picked it as stainless anyhow when I first looked at it. Do you happen to have a picture of the Chrysler with the highback rear window? I'm sure I've seen one somewhere along the way, but out of about 900 photos I have archived of 1960 Chryslers I can't find one. Edited by imopar380 2010-09-17 5:11 PM | ||
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