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wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Dedicated as always Serge, that took you some time to create I imagine - real hardcore for the '59 Dodge entusiasts | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | There are two scripts “Custom Royal”, on the left and the right side of the car. They are made in golden anodized Aluminium. Because letters cannot be mirrored, both scripts are identical. A picture and/or better a scan on the flatbed scanner gives a useful reference contour. Before using, it must be aligned to fit to the real measured values. The picture 01 shows the "aligned" script, the verticals of the support becoming straight and the sheetmetall underneath rounded. As these emblems varies in details from one to the other, the letters of the reference sketch have to be optimized – what needs the most time. Once the result is satisfying by visual control, then the proceeding is simple. Finally, the modeled scripts have to be deformed to the bodys curved surface. CAD made this easy, but by processing the computer goes quite busy. The mounting pins are missing and not modeled here. Another golden eye-catcher, upgrading the 1959 Dodge Custom Royal to its exclusivity - SERGE -
Edited by sermey 2014-04-21 2:56 PM (01 Model on Picture 25.jpg) (02 Deforming to Body 25.jpg) (03 Rear Details 25.jpg) (04 3D-Script Custom Royal 25.jpg) (05 3D Dual View 25.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Model on Picture 25.jpg (146KB - 694 downloads) 02 Deforming to Body 25.jpg (67KB - 690 downloads) 03 Rear Details 25.jpg (81KB - 668 downloads) 04 3D-Script Custom Royal 25.jpg (58KB - 685 downloads) 05 3D Dual View 25.jpg (84KB - 686 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | ronbo97 - 2014-04-17 10:02 PM Would you be able to someday output these files to a 3D printer and produce finished copies, ready to be mounted ? Note: Coronet had a nameplate that read 'Coronet' on front fender. Only the station wagons and Silver Challenger had the trunk medallion on the fenders. Are you fancying things up a bit by making the knight's head gold ? Ron Ron, if you send me the exact contour of the nameplate "Coronet", I can do this for you (JPG or PDF). These files, converted to .STEP or .STL as used in the industry, can directly be used for Tooling or 3D-Printing. Last process is still not enough exact for small parts. The Golden Knight Head is still on my "program", but it must be done perfectly. | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | Serge - I will shoot some high quality images for you and email to your bluewin.ch email address. I'll include a ruler for scale. Ron | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | FWL Emblem: This emblem is not a 1959 Dodge part. But I am fascinating of this design. Here some variations in 3D-RealView. All fantastic combinations can be done. But for another time. - SERGE -
(01 FWL Emblem.jpg) (02 FWL Emblem.jpg) (03 FWL Emblem.jpg) (04 FWL Emblem Dual.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 FWL Emblem.jpg (50KB - 727 downloads) 02 FWL Emblem.jpg (135KB - 668 downloads) 03 FWL Emblem.jpg (76KB - 671 downloads) 04 FWL Emblem Dual.jpg (77KB - 682 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | So they can be 3d printed? | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Push Button Unit: The gear in the automatic torqueflite transmission is set by five push buttons R – N – D – 1 – 2 . These are moulded parts in green transparent plastic, the letters are graved and colored with paint (01). These buttons are just shifted on to the rear mechanical unit. The transparency shows exact the original conical design (02). The protecting chrome cups are pushed on the buttons (03). For a smoother return, O-rings are provided as dampener (04). Finally, the patterned and polished aluminium panel is mounted and fixed by two screws (05). As the buttons are in transparent plastic, with rear light they appear illuminated (06). In the exploded views all parts are visible (07)(08). Here the push button unit as it is – in 3D-RealView. Any questions? Yes, with the STL-files of the present design these push buttons could be reproduced exactly with a 3D Printer, even the green transparent 3D Filament is now available. - SERGE -
Edited by sermey 2016-10-18 11:55 PM (01 CAD 1959 Push Buttons R-N-D-1-2.jpg) (02 CAD 1959 Rear Connection.jpg) (03 CAD 1959 Chrome Cups.jpg) (04 CAD 1959 Rubber Dampener.jpg) (05 CAD 1959 Patterned Alu-Panel.jpg) (06 CAD 1959 Assembly FrontView Illuminated.jpg) (07 CAD 1959 Assembly Exploded SideView.jpg) (08 CAD 1959 Assembly Exploded TopView.jpg) (09 CAD 1959 Push Buttons Unit.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 CAD 1959 Push Buttons R-N-D-1-2.jpg (61KB - 575 downloads) 02 CAD 1959 Rear Connection.jpg (57KB - 601 downloads) 03 CAD 1959 Chrome Cups.jpg (59KB - 601 downloads) 04 CAD 1959 Rubber Dampener.jpg (46KB - 584 downloads) 05 CAD 1959 Patterned Alu-Panel.jpg (111KB - 586 downloads) 06 CAD 1959 Assembly FrontView Illuminated.jpg (99KB - 580 downloads) 07 CAD 1959 Assembly Exploded SideView.jpg (77KB - 585 downloads) 08 CAD 1959 Assembly Exploded TopView.jpg (78KB - 577 downloads) 09 CAD 1959 Push Buttons Unit.jpg (108KB - 600 downloads) | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | This is amazing Serge - it must have taken many hours of measuring and creating the pushbuttons. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1159 Location: D-70199 Heslach | Serge, I like to print the FWL Emblem.... | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Sven: . . . . it must have taken many hours of measuring and creating the pushbuttons . . . . As the software is parametric, the exact dimensions are re-measured and corrected at the end of the modeling process. And for those who are familiar with: This is not an assembly of parts as usual, but a multipart design. I use to do a mastersketch, one or two views referring to all parts. Later the dimensions can be modified here, means that all parts are in one single file .sldprt, and in the sketched position, except when "exploded". Equal items are modeled together, or mirrored, arrayed and copied if needed. - SERGE - Edited by sermey 2016-10-19 2:51 AM | ||
De55 |
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Member Posts: 33 | Serge, as one who works with architectural CAD every day, my hat is off to you. These are stunning!! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND |
Convertible Top Pin – Grommet: Devices to center and seal the top when up, in the parts catalogue as “catch and seal”. The easiest part until now to model. Just needed the correct dimensions of the grommet. Here some pictures in 3D-RealView. - SERGE -
(01 Bottom Up Exploded View.jpg) (02 Horizontal Exploded View.jpg) (03 3D Exploded View.jpg) (04 Assembled Section View.jpg) (05 Assembled.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Bottom Up Exploded View.jpg (74KB - 477 downloads) 02 Horizontal Exploded View.jpg (71KB - 460 downloads) 03 3D Exploded View.jpg (81KB - 463 downloads) 04 Assembled Section View.jpg (59KB - 454 downloads) 05 Assembled.jpg (82KB - 460 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | "Serge, as one who works with architectural CAD every day, my hat is off to you. These are stunning!!" Thanks for your comment, Dean. Some are more spectacular, this last is very easy: just revolve the profile. - SERGE - (MasterSketch Revolve.jpg) Attachments ---------------- MasterSketch Revolve.jpg (129KB - 464 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | The reference for numbering the speedometer scale is the drum, as it is lateral fixed and cannot be moved. Thus, the distances of the scale numbers have to be positioned and centered according the lines (01). Total distance for any 10mph is 18.583mm, the numbering length for 140mph (center to center) is 223mm. The original scale is somewhat mismatched, now the numbers are aligned to the speedometer drum (02). The letters and the directional emblems on the original glass are engraved backside and whitened. The upper and lower white stripe support the illumination (03). The glass version with the speed reminder option has an additional scale which is printed (04). The setting knob here looks like a lonely bird flying in the sky (05). At the speed of 0mph the first green bar is just (not-) visible at correct setting (06). Up to 30mph the bar is GREEN (07), from 30 – 50mph turns to YELLOW (08), and higher than 50mph up shows RED (09). The assembly is shown in (10). On the exploded view, the rear metal panel in black and the colored tabs, green and blue for the light signals, are brought out (11). Finally, the correct and direct interchangeable Speedometer Scale in kmph, 0 – 180 (120mph = 193.08kmph). 200 is out of the range and would interfere with the Speed Reminder Scale. Compressing the scale to 200 to coincide to 120 needs a recalibration. For completing, the front chrome bar D O D G E (12). - SERGE -
More options and printable templates will be presented in the thread “Make-up your car”.
Edited by sermey 2018-04-24 5:47 AM (01 Speedometer Drum.jpg) (02 Alignment of the Numbers.jpg) (03 Glass 0 - 120mph.jpg) (04 Glass 0 - 120mph with Speed Reminder.jpg) (05 Speed Reminder Knob.jpg) (06 0mph GREEN just visible.jpg) (07 GREEN up to 30mph.jpg) (08 YELLOW 30 - 50mph.jpg) (09 RED 50mph up.jpg) (10 Assembly 0 - 120mph.jpg) (11 Assembly Exploded View.jpg) (12 Assembly 0 - 180kmph.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Speedometer Drum.jpg (95KB - 438 downloads) 02 Alignment of the Numbers.jpg (112KB - 444 downloads) 03 Glass 0 - 120mph.jpg (105KB - 447 downloads) 04 Glass 0 - 120mph with Speed Reminder.jpg (107KB - 434 downloads) 05 Speed Reminder Knob.jpg (98KB - 443 downloads) 06 0mph GREEN just visible.jpg (93KB - 438 downloads) 07 GREEN up to 30mph.jpg (94KB - 447 downloads) 08 YELLOW 30 - 50mph.jpg (90KB - 428 downloads) 09 RED 50mph up.jpg (93KB - 443 downloads) 10 Assembly 0 - 120mph.jpg (104KB - 432 downloads) 11 Assembly Exploded View.jpg (175KB - 440 downloads) 12 Assembly 0 - 180kmph.jpg (120KB - 436 downloads) | ||
wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Our Serge at work again, leaving us all impressed and amazed! Very nice idea with the combined km/h and mph The exploded view is totally great help for insight and knowledge!!! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6500 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Absolutely amazing! Has 3D caught up now? I see YouTube videos of very smooth 'prints' from share ware or whatever it is called. It then can be molded in silicone and cast in wax and then molded in a plaster mold with metal like white bronze. You just need a vacuum bell, 3D printer, forge, kiln, silicone/plaster mold making equipment, wax dispenser, and skill. Marc. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | To your positive comment, Marc: There are new generations of 3D-Printers on the way, Multilayer-types. The first layer for fast basic build-up, the last layer for high resolution surface enabling direct plating. All the modeled parts here, generated as STL-Files, then can be produced at very low cost and high quality, for all 3D-Printing process is automated. Looking forward to the coming years, everyone can afford dual rear antennas, D-500 emblems, Lancer Emblems. . . . ., in a nicer finish as NOS-ones (see picture).
Unfortunately, up today nobody on this site, was in the position to support the modeling as presented in this thread. - SERGE - Edited by sermey 2018-07-16 3:33 AM (Preliminary Details View.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Preliminary Details View.jpg (71KB - 430 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Emblem FUEL Injection 58: A few month ago there was a thread about this, obviously very loved emblem, and very rare. Repros have been in discussion and attempts of modeling presented. As enthusiast of emblems then I modeled this part on the base of pictures, as no reference samples are available. Thus, all you see is by view and not accurate. The precice dimensions should be applied to this model, if one day disposable. Now I did some final corrections for present here. The rear of the emblem I have never seen, it is done as I would be the designer. Some details, Front / Rear View, may help as starter for those who will do repros.
Anyway, an exceptional emblem, in reality nicer than just in 3D-RealView. Another challenging game! - SERGE - ;)
Edited by sermey 2018-08-03 8:26 AM (01 Original Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg) (02 Emblem Fuel Injection 58 CAD.jpg) (03 Body of Emblem.jpg) (04 Details of Body.jpg) (05 Insertion of Emblem.jpg) (06 F U E L -Buttons.jpg) (07 Script I N J E C T I O N.jpg) (08 Replaced Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Original Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg (158KB - 467 downloads) 02 Emblem Fuel Injection 58 CAD.jpg (171KB - 411 downloads) 03 Body of Emblem.jpg (142KB - 428 downloads) 04 Details of Body.jpg (125KB - 424 downloads) 05 Insertion of Emblem.jpg (116KB - 420 downloads) 06 F U E L -Buttons.jpg (127KB - 429 downloads) 07 Script I N J E C T I O N.jpg (121KB - 430 downloads) 08 Replaced Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg (163KB - 412 downloads) | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Wow, that looks very perfect to me - a lot of work and thinking behind it Serge! I really hope that someone will inform you about the dimensions of this super rare emblem. | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | I found another Picture, downloaded from Danny/57burb (09). To get the emblem from CAD in Photoshop without any background: save from SolidWorks as PNG, in Options set “remove background” and the resolution. Then imported in Photoshop: place, resize and distort to fit on the picture (10). With the correct dimensions should look similar to Original. Just the light and surface settings are not optimal (11). To add: the overall shell is set to 1.6mm, as most other FWL-Emblems. - SERGE -
Edited by sermey 2018-08-04 11:07 AM (09 Original Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg) (10 Emblem CAD PrtScreen Distorted.jpg) (11 Replaced EmblemFuel Injection 58.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 09 Original Emblem Fuel Injection 58.jpg (161KB - 433 downloads) 10 Emblem CAD PrtScreen Distorted.jpg (137KB - 417 downloads) 11 Replaced EmblemFuel Injection 58.jpg (162KB - 427 downloads) | ||
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Member Posts: 7 Location: Nashua NH | Cool! you have some computer chops. whats your plan are you going to have it machined? | ||
sermey |
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Hi Vince! I see you first time here - welcome on board of creative and multi-talented people. For the moment I do nothing with - it's just for fun. If the time has come (to have produced in 3D-Printing in High-Resolution for a shiny surface), I will realise some prototypes. For commercial or business purpose there are many good guys here who would care for. The basics are accurate 1 : 1 models in 3D-CAD as shown here. Now some try to go their own way - still waiting and looking forward to results to come. - Computer: 2 DELL Precision M6800 i7-4930 MX and two HD DELL Monitors 27" (2x 30" resp). Much less than a FWL-Car! Then no rust and dirty hands. The applied slogan: Not talk, but simply do-it and enjoy! - SERGE -
Edited by sermey 2018-08-07 3:36 PM | ||
ToMopar |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1159 Location: D-70199 Heslach | sermey - 2018-08-07 8:34 PM ........board of creative and multi-talented people yes, thats right! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6500 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | More pics for you: (fuel injectionemblem1.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem2.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem3.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem4.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem5.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem6.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem7.jpg) (fuel injectionemblem8.jpg) Attachments ---------------- fuel injectionemblem1.jpg (385KB - 409 downloads) fuel injectionemblem2.jpg (396KB - 403 downloads) fuel injectionemblem3.jpg (221KB - 420 downloads) fuel injectionemblem4.jpg (169KB - 405 downloads) fuel injectionemblem5.jpg (449KB - 402 downloads) fuel injectionemblem6.jpg (288KB - 408 downloads) fuel injectionemblem7.jpg (402KB - 416 downloads) fuel injectionemblem8.jpg (474KB - 416 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | mstrug - 2018-09-01 6:30 PM More pics for you: Thank you Marc for these clear pictures. I see many items to be corrected, dimensions still missing. Should model with emblem in hand as shown in the next thread. Your constructive comments, Marc, are always very appreciated. - SERGE - | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Knight DODGE 59: The 1959 Dodges have their own Knight style. They vary somewhat on the various emblems, due to different supplier at that time. After a few years I started a new attempt to model the 1959 Dodge Knight, based on the rear / side emblem found on most models. This one will then be integrated on all modeled emblems to come. And now finally here it is (01)(02)! A crazy exercise: 3D-Splines, 3D-Curved Surfaces, more a graphical than a geometrical modeling, realized mostly accurate. Overall thickness as original 1.6mm. here some details at no chrome for better view (03)(04)(05)(06). One day the Golden Knight meets the Chrome Knight (07), later on at a Private Party (08). - SERGE - :laugh:
Edited by sermey 2018-09-27 7:21 AM (01 Knight Emblem Front View.jpg) (02 Knight Emblem Rear View.jpg) (03 Knight Emblem Details.jpg) (04 Knight Emblem Details.jpg) (05 Knight Emblem Details.jpg) (06 Knight Emblem Details.jpg) (07 Dual Knights Golden - Chrome.jpg) (08 Knights at Private Party.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Knight Emblem Front View.jpg (133KB - 394 downloads) 02 Knight Emblem Rear View.jpg (119KB - 397 downloads) 03 Knight Emblem Details.jpg (87KB - 381 downloads) 04 Knight Emblem Details.jpg (79KB - 399 downloads) 05 Knight Emblem Details.jpg (95KB - 412 downloads) 06 Knight Emblem Details.jpg (85KB - 399 downloads) 07 Dual Knights Golden - Chrome.jpg (150KB - 403 downloads) 08 Knights at Private Party.jpg (133KB - 407 downloads) | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I had the privilege to follow the progress of the different steps of this project and the final result is absolutely stunning in accordance with the original in shape and detail. Yet a very difficult 3D Project realized by a true master. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6500 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | sermey - 2018-09-27 5:18 AM mstrug - 2018-09-01 6:30 PM More pics for you: Thank you Marc for these clear pictures. I see many items to be corrected, dimensions still missing. Should model with emblem in hand as shown in the next thread. Your constructive comments, Marc, are always very appreciated. - SERGE - I can't wait for these to be duplicated. They make a 'bronze' and white 'metal' print media. The 'X' is next? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Flower Emblem: This is part of the Rear Emblem, for all here working with older SolidWorks or any CAD Software: Open in SolidWorks (2013 up) the .SLDPRT-File, or import in any SolidWorks or CAD-Software the Parasolid-File .X_T, both as attachment. For animation additional an eDrawing-File .ERPT. Some pictures to look at, all done with this file in SW2013 (Original in SW2016). Pic 05 shows the simple creation of this Emblem (the guides and the planes/intersections): 1. Left Lower Loft, 2. Left Upper Loft, 3. Left Center Loft 4. mirror all for the right half.
As I said, just a game! - SERGE -
Edited by sermey 2018-09-28 1:50 PM (01 Flower Emblem Flat.jpg) (02 Flower Emblem RealView.jpg) (03 Flower Emblem Dimetric.jpg) (04 Flower Emblem Contours.jpg) (05 Flower Emblem Lofts.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Flower Emblem Flat.jpg (108KB - 408 downloads) 02 Flower Emblem RealView.jpg (117KB - 413 downloads) 03 Flower Emblem Dimetric.jpg (121KB - 416 downloads) 04 Flower Emblem Contours.jpg (112KB - 399 downloads) 05 Flower Emblem Lofts.jpg (144KB - 412 downloads) 06 SW2013 Flower Emblem.SLDPRT (278KB - 388 downloads) 07 Flower Emblem Parasolid.x_t (89KB - 400 downloads) 08 SW2013 Flower Emblem.EPRT (54KB - 383 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Spinner DODGE 59: In addition to the first thread presenting the HubCap, now with the disposable Knight Emblem I can show the modeled Spinner, in Black and Golden (01). The rear side is done as well as the Original (02). In the partly zoomed view details become better visible (03) (04). Finally the assembled HubCap (05). As this is a ForwardLook part, the Knight has to look forward, to fit on left and right side of the car .
Thus, all emblems to come will be as well for left and right side, and so the produced parts in 3D-Printing when ready. - SERGE - :)
N.B.: In Front View the Assemled HubCaps appears somewhat different than used to be. This, because in CAD the Spinner is not reflected on the HubCap. Edited by sermey 2018-10-03 9:27 AM (01 Spinner Front View.jpg) (02 Spinner Rear View.jpg) (03 Spinner Details1.jpg) (04 Spinner Details2.jpg) (05 HubCap Assembled.jpg) (06 Dual Mirrored Knight.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Spinner Front View.jpg (125KB - 392 downloads) 02 Spinner Rear View.jpg (123KB - 402 downloads) 03 Spinner Details1.jpg (155KB - 400 downloads) 04 Spinner Details2.jpg (146KB - 410 downloads) 05 HubCap Assembled.jpg (172KB - 399 downloads) 06 Dual Mirrored Knight.jpg (196KB - 401 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran,, James Passed away March 2021, He will be Missed Posts: 1028 Location: Melbourne, Australia | Simply amazing ! | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | You never stop surprising us with one fantastic 3-D design after Another Serge! It would be a very cool thing to make the Knights mirrored for the left and right side - many would never notice, but a connoisseur would stop dead in his tracks and drool….. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND |
Rear Emblem (Deck Lid Ornament or Medaillon): This rear emblem is found as well on 1959 Coronets, here presented as model in the original color combination, in White (01). The Rear Views in flat mode for better visibility of the details (02) (03) (04). Here the Front View in Wire Frame for “play” on Photoshop (05).
On an antique scale the original emblem shows a weight of 150g (06), in comparison to the model, material Zinc AS Cast, 165g (07). The difference is due to the constant overall thickness of 1.6mm , illustrated in section views of the model (08), whereas the original emblem is partly thinner.
When golden plated the original white emblem looks more precious (09). My preferred color combs as on my (white) convertible is Gold-Red (10). The 1959 DODGE Coronet has two identical emblems, one on the left fender and one on the right fender, thus one knight looks backward. Here the two emblems for both forward-looking knights (11).
Not a rare emblem, but awesome, here perfectly modeled. - SERGE -
(01 Rear Emblem - Front View Original White.jpg) (02 Rear Emblem - Rear View 1 Flat.jpg) (03 Rear Emblem - Rear View 2 Flat.jpg) (04 Rear Emblem - Rear View 3 Flat.jpg) (05 Rear Emblem - Front View in Wire Frame.jpg) (06 Original Rear Emblem - on Antique Scale 150g.jpg) (07 Rear Emblem - Model in Zinc As Cast 165g.jpg) (08 Rear Emblem - Section Views 1.6mm.jpg) (09 Rear Emblem - Front View Gold-White.jpg) (10 Rear Emblem - Front View Gold-Red.jpg) (11 Dual Emblems - Forward-Looking Knights.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Rear Emblem - Front View Original White.jpg (149KB - 367 downloads) 02 Rear Emblem - Rear View 1 Flat.jpg (124KB - 353 downloads) 03 Rear Emblem - Rear View 2 Flat.jpg (128KB - 353 downloads) 04 Rear Emblem - Rear View 3 Flat.jpg (124KB - 361 downloads) 05 Rear Emblem - Front View in Wire Frame.jpg (152KB - 368 downloads) 06 Original Rear Emblem - on Antique Scale 150g.jpg (169KB - 364 downloads) 07 Rear Emblem - Model in Zinc As Cast 165g.jpg (123KB - 375 downloads) 08 Rear Emblem - Section Views 1.6mm.jpg (121KB - 365 downloads) 09 Rear Emblem - Front View Gold-White.jpg (165KB - 377 downloads) 10 Rear Emblem - Front View Gold-Red.jpg (180KB - 362 downloads) 11 Dual Emblems - Forward-Looking Knights.jpg (181KB - 355 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1443 Location: Oconomowoc Wi | <p>The work is fascinating, but to what end? Does this mean the ability to reproduce parts in 3D, or what? I'm Jonesing watching all this work on the '59 Dodge</p> Edited by Bart_59_Dodge 2019-01-06 5:20 PM | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Serge - I own a good condition example of the gold "star" piece of the Fuel Injection emblem. If I measure for you ? Send piece to you ? Will this enable you to complete the template building work ? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Doctor DeSoto - 2019-01-07 1:32 AM Serge - I own a good condition example of the gold "star" piece of the Fuel Injection emblem. If I measure for you ? Send piece to you ? Will this enable you to complete the template building work ? Thank you for your offer (first!!!). For a real and original-correct model I need to check, when done, all corners 3D from edge to edge, and then correct the dimensions I initialy measured. Our eyes are very critical when comparing copy and original. Thus I will only start when I have the emblem in hand. Now I purchased and wait for the 1962 Chrysler New Yorker / Newport Grill Emblem, as I like it, just for modeling. And I do only when I am in the mood for do it. On pictures I met various Fuel Injection Emblems, the letters are somewhat different. Your example must not be nice, important the original one. Contact me on sermey at bluewin dot ch. Here I started the 1959 D500 Emblem: copy - move - mirror - resize the existing knight to the right position, model the numbers 500 as well in the right position (01). Later comes the body and the final details. - SERGE - Edited by sermey 2019-01-08 7:08 AM (1959 D500 Emblem Test.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1959 D500 Emblem Test.jpg (114KB - 352 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Bart_59_Dodge - 2019-01-06 11:19 PM The work is fascinating, but to what end? Does this mean the ability to reproduce parts in 3D, or what? I'm Jonesing watching all this work on the '59 Dodge As you stated, the 3D models offer the ability to reproduce these parts in original and even in better quality. Can be used for direct injection tooling by electro-erosion technology, for build prototypes by stereolithography, or done in 3D-Printing. All all items in 1 : 1 real size, without any dimension, just by a STEP-, STL- or Parasolid-File. As emblems are mostly rechromed, the surfaces of the new 3D-Print Technology are still not sufficient, or the fine edges may be removed by polishing. Only bigger parts, as the Rear Antenna Socket, would show very nice results. Best is producing, as original done, using an injection tool. The initial costs are quite high. At low quantities the part becomes too expensive. I did already some preliminary tests, but still not sufficient in quality for rechromed parts. Here a Push-Button, 3D-Printed with green filament (01), 3D-Equipment USD1000. Will present here samples as soon they become usable and affordable.
The technology develops. For now, the existing models keep the quality all the time, can say a “long lasting conservation” of impressive designs. - SERGE - Edited by sermey 2019-01-12 5:53 AM (01 3D-Printed Push Button Illuminated.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 3D-Printed Push Button Illuminated.jpg (94KB - 358 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND |
3D-Print Analysis: Depending of the layer height, the slices become more or less visible. The bigger the part, the roughness of the surface appear smoother.
This is shown here by a 3D-Printing analysis, on a Knight of the rear emblem, and on the socket of a rear antenna, both 1 : 1, original scale. Applied layer height 0.2mm, 0.1mm and 0.05mm. The left side of the pictures show the resulting striaton lines, the right side the simulated surface as bump map.
To smooth the surfaces, they can be fine sandblasted, then galvanic coppered, polished and final rechromed.
Looking forward what will be the the reality . . . . - SERGE -
(01 Knight 3D-Printing.jpg) (02 Knight Layer Height 0.2mm.jpg) (03 Knight Layer Height 0.1mm.jpg) (04 Knight Layer Height 0.05mm.jpg) (05 Antenna Socket 3D-Printing.jpg) (06 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.2mm.jpg) (07 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.1mm.jpg) (08 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.05mm.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Knight 3D-Printing.jpg (118KB - 348 downloads) 02 Knight Layer Height 0.2mm.jpg (132KB - 348 downloads) 03 Knight Layer Height 0.1mm.jpg (126KB - 342 downloads) 04 Knight Layer Height 0.05mm.jpg (114KB - 346 downloads) 05 Antenna Socket 3D-Printing.jpg (116KB - 346 downloads) 06 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.2mm.jpg (100KB - 347 downloads) 07 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.1mm.jpg (101KB - 347 downloads) 08 Antenna Socket Layer Height 0.05mm.jpg (97KB - 352 downloads) | ||
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Regular Posts: 57 Location: Switzerland | Hi I am Dani from Zurich, and will most probably purchase a 1959 CRL D 500 next spring. Just what I was looking for that Chevron Emblem. Could these be reproduced, so I could install that on the car ? They can be nowhere found as originals! Super great work. So in future all emblems could be reproduced Dani - keep on going ! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | First 3D-Prints: Now the time is near for 3D-Prints at affordable costs and at a quality up to 10 micron for a rechromable surface. The first samples with my favorite, the Knight, at original proportions in transparent Resin (01). The rear side shows the mounting studs for M4 bolts. Then I resized the Knight, not proportional to give a wider aspect, and to fit the front curvature of the DODGE (02). Same resized Knight, just removed the Grille (03). The studs are designed to fit on the grill without any modifications and to be aligned (04). This is the initial 3D-Print of the resized Knight (05). The first check on the car gives a first impression (06). Of course, the Knight will be chrome and/or golden plated. For the CAD-Versions here I used satin gold. Satin Gold can as well be sprayed on the Knight for a low cost handling. Most modeled parts presented here now can be produced by 3D-Printing at highest precision and at reasonable costs. - SERGE - ;) Edited by sermey 2020-02-16 4:02 PM (01 3D-Printed Knight Original.jpg) (02 Resized Knight on Grille CAD.jpg) (03 Resized Knight - Grille Removed CAD.jpg) (04 Rear Mounting Studs CAD.jpg) (05 3D-Printed Knight Resized Front-Rear View.jpg) (06 First Check on Car.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 3D-Printed Knight Original.jpg (195KB - 273 downloads) 02 Resized Knight on Grille CAD.jpg (120KB - 277 downloads) 03 Resized Knight - Grille Removed CAD.jpg (77KB - 282 downloads) 04 Rear Mounting Studs CAD.jpg (162KB - 280 downloads) 05 3D-Printed Knight Resized Front-Rear View.jpg (155KB - 282 downloads) 06 First Check on Car.jpg (195KB - 275 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Great work Serge! No, let me change that.... FANTASTIC work Serge!! Congratulations. | ||
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Member Posts: 30 Location: Germany | This is so amazing! 3D printing with resin provides incredible details. Serge, please show the results when you will have finished it with a suiting surface. I think that no one will ever notice that this part was printed. At least from a usual viewing distance. I am pretty sure someone already said it, but THIS is one key to the future of our hobby. Imagine not to rely on draining NOS supplies or wrecked cars to keep our cars on the road for the next decades! Maik | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1159 Location: D-70199 Heslach | Serge, great work. Maybe i visit you once to learn a little bit | ||
wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Serge strikes again! I know the effort and dedication that has been put into this - the result is stunning! This is the future for to be able to get rare items reproduced at a fair cost. Great work as always from the 3D-master! | ||
Daniel 1959 |
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Regular Posts: 57 Location: Switzerland | A genius at work ! Congrats Serge, I would be happy to have this Knight also on my grill... Let me know, if you would sell one ? Dani | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9904 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Not sure how you created the 3D model file for the 3D printer. I understand that there are 3D laser scanners that can be used to create a printer file. Have you considered this? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | 56D500boy - 2020-02-17 3:04 PM . Not sure how you created the 3D model file for the 3D printer. I understand that there are 3D laser scanners that can be used to create a printer file. Have you considered this? :) thats what he did, he scanned the knights head from the rear emblem. then scaled it up. Pretty slick | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Short comment, no scanner | ||
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Member Posts: 30 Location: Germany | I experimented with photogrammetry and it is impressing what is already possible, even with freeware. BUT you will not get this quality from a scan. You can use it to capture the shape and even the dimensions to a good amount, but it always requires manual post processing to get to those smooth surfaces and sharp edges. IMHO that's the result from a good old caliper, patience and some imagination. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Lancer Emblem: This Emblem is modeled throughout in Surface Technology, other than in usual said Solid Technology (01) (01a). By thicken a surface, here by 0.7mm, the surface body becomes a thin solid part. For 3D-Printing it will be filled to a solid body, shown before the electro-plating process (02). The Knight on this emblem is somewhat different then all others on the car, and the flower on the face is missing. Here I used my already modeled Knight, did some upgrade on the flowers edge (03a) (03b). As well the same flower for the panel, renamed to Dual Flower: insert – copy mirror down – resize non uniform, to get as well similar to the Original, then “connect” up / down with the collar (04). There are four basic components to create this emblem:
1. The Lance in satin gold (05 2. The Knight in satin gold (06) 3. The Panel in satin chrome (07) 4. The Dual Flower in satin gold (08)
These surface parts positioned, trimmed to each other and getting then 6 parts (09) (10), merge them and the emblem is done. Not forget to deform in order to fit on the fender (11). Finally mirrored to get left and right, all golden anodized and the colors as on my DODGE (12).
This Lancer Emblem, another outstanding brandmark of the DODGE 59 Custom Royal Lancer, now ready for 3D-Printing. - SERGE - ;) Edited by sermey 2020-04-04 12:49 PM (01 Lancer Emblem Left - Right.jpg) (01a Unmetalized Emblem Left -Right.jpg) (02 Filled Emblem Front - Rear View.jpg) (03a Earlier Flower.jpg) (03b Modified Flower.jpg) (04 Dual Flower.jpg) (05 Lance Front - Rear View.jpg) (06 Knight in satin gold.jpg) (07 Panel in satin chrome.jpg) (08 Dual Flower on Panel.jpg) (09 Trimed Parts Exploded View.jpg) (10 Trimed Parts Flat View.jpg) (11 Bent Emblem Side - Rear View.jpg) (12 Lancer Emblem Left - Right.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 01 Lancer Emblem Left - Right.jpg (101KB - 241 downloads) 01a Unmetalized Emblem Left -Right.jpg (81KB - 249 downloads) 02 Filled Emblem Front - Rear View.jpg (73KB - 245 downloads) 03a Earlier Flower.jpg (77KB - 251 downloads) 03b Modified Flower.jpg (71KB - 242 downloads) 04 Dual Flower.jpg (90KB - 244 downloads) 05 Lance Front - Rear View.jpg (75KB - 239 downloads) 06 Knight in satin gold.jpg (71KB - 245 downloads) 07 Panel in satin chrome.jpg (76KB - 242 downloads) 08 Dual Flower on Panel.jpg (122KB - 242 downloads) 09 Trimed Parts Exploded View.jpg (77KB - 247 downloads) 10 Trimed Parts Flat View.jpg (105KB - 251 downloads) 11 Bent Emblem Side - Rear View.jpg (82KB - 247 downloads) 12 Lancer Emblem Left - Right.jpg (96KB - 248 downloads) | ||
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