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Extreme Veteran Posts: 461   Location: Brooklyn NY | here are my pics (jsw_011.jpg) (jsw_010.jpg) (jsw_012.jpg) (jsw_finished_002.jpg) Attachments ----------------  jsw_011.jpg (51KB - 185 downloads) jsw_010.jpg (50KB - 200 downloads) jsw_012.jpg (46KB - 194 downloads) jsw_finished_002.jpg (52KB - 183 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957  Location: Signal Mountain, TN | MoparBrew - 2011-06-17 9:17 AM I had the same sludge with my Poly 318. The Tranny does look amazingly clean, it must have been rebuilt prior to barn storage. Have fun....see, things are starting to snowball...;} Ralph from Brooklyn Aye Carumba... you win....  And, yeah, I knew I was just fooling myself when I said I was gonna replace some valve stem seals, fix the brakes and start driving.... But, sometimes you just have to start out knee deep in the best case scenario and give reality some time to set in. I set out to build a reliable, good-looking driver. It's just the fine print on that deal that's constantly evolving.  That block looks quite lovely, BTW. Edited by BarnFind57 2011-06-17 11:14 AM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | 57-time-machine - 2011-06-17 6:26 AM I would call what i want to do a "driver resto". I want to go through all the mechanical bits, don't wanna be left on the side of the road... and fix the body to prevent any further rot, paint it back in the original colors, fix the seat covers... that's about it. I want it too look good, but, we have three kids, it will be parked in public places, will be driven on the roads... I don't wanna over-do it. That's totally awesome! And I understand what you mean by "I don't wanna over-do it". I plan on making my 57' Belvedere 4dr Sedan my daily driver, and I'm starting out pretty much the same way you are, that is getting her fully mechanically reliable and drive-able. Then comes the rest. An original restoration, but without overdue because of the fact that I will also be parking it in public places. btw I used to be "take me back", but I changed my user name, so this is a follow up to your original quoted reply... Exactly where i am going with this. I like to DRIVE my old cars, not just look at them, and, being a technician who is very anal retentive about my own cars, I prefer the "do a lot now and maintain" to the "hope nothing breaks and deal with it when it does" method. I figure if I do the engine right, and maintain it, chances are I will never have to go this far into it again. Or so I hope.... and good brakes... well, I live on a mountain outside of Chattanooga, so top notch, functional brakes are the only option there. And, last, like your point, the car will be in public areas, I am going to drive it, and it will get a ding or a scratch... that's all part of what makes it a used car, so yeah... overdone, it will not be. I just look forward to getting done with all of this work and some day posting a pic of some cool accessory I bought since there was nothing else to do to it.  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Transmission cleaned up nice.... Looks like from the stamping, that is original to the car, too. I guess that as clean as it was inside, that must have been re-worked at some time as suggested. It shifts beautifully, and the only leak was from the control cable sleeve. So, I will replace the outer seals, the pan gasket, fix the sleeve leak, and leave it alone till time to put it back in.  (004b.jpg) (005b.jpg) (012b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 004b.jpg (119KB - 204 downloads) 005b.jpg (117KB - 219 downloads) 012b.jpg (119KB - 216 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | ^^^^ Yeah to all of that, especially the out of money thing. (Dad to 3 girls here)...  Mine is almost the same, 301 poly actually, but yeah, pretty straight forward, and relatively easy on the gas. I too hope to get away with a light refinish on the driveshaft as well. Looking forward to posting pics up of me driving her to a show, not continuing to take more pieces off.... I did get some pistons ordered up today, should have those in the next few days. I also got the car in the garage at home this morning. She's a tight fit, but it's just a temporary thing to get her out of the weather untill the other project is done in these next few weeks. Then she'll have the garage all to herself. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Today ordered my bearings and piston rings. Also, took the pristine oil pump apart to inspect it. Looked pretty nice. (the inside of it that is... haha)... Yesterday, I finally let the cat out of the bag. I had been holding back telling my grandfather about the car, but couldn't wait any longer. I took a photo album by their house when we were there for father's day, and showed him all the pictures of what I had bought. He just kept smiling, and going on about how much he loved his old Belvedere, and thumbing back and forth through all the pictures. He said he wants to go for a ride when she's all done. I promised him that he would be the first. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Machine shop called.... Block and the rods/pistons are ready to pick up. Hope to get up there tomorrow or Wednesday to pick them up. Now I can pay for those and sit around and wonder where I will get the money for the rest.  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-07-11 2:17 PM In one of your post you talked about ordering rings then ordering pistons. I guess you decided to punch the block. Looks like everything is coming together. 10-4.... The variation in the walls was really bad in the top of the cylinders. After a thorough cleaning and an attempted honing, you could easily feel the lumps left by the stopping point of the top two rings. I had the measurements checked, and the ring gap was gonna be really stupid, so I could put it all back together and have the oil consumption and smoking variety sampler platter, or, fix it right and not have to go in there again for a while. I kept my eyes open for a good set, and paid for them... a NOS set of Sterling brand pistons to match the .030" over the machine shop was predicting. I ordered new rings and bearings as well, and, since the machine shop already wanted the pistons to measure alongside the cylinders, I dropped the rods off as well to have them install the new pistons. So much for the super cheap rebuild. Good news is that the crank and other internals looked great, So, other than some gaskets and a rebuild kit for the oil pump, I should be good to go. Now I just gotta finish up with my buddy's van so the Plymouth (Now dubbed Norma Jean, an homage to Ms. Monroe, courtesy of my lady) can have the whole garage to herself... She takes up a bit more room than a VW beetle. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Got everything back from the machine shop yesterday afternoon.... They did the following: - Hot-tank the Engine block, removed all the galley plugs, flushed them out, and re-installed the plugs. - Bored the cylinders out .030" and honed them. - Replaced the cam bearings. - Removed the old pistons, cleaned the rods, and installed my NOS pistons. - Replaced all of the freeze plugs. Now, If I can just come up with the money to finish putting her back together...... (015b.jpg) (017b.jpg) (018b.jpg) (020b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 015b.jpg (114KB - 199 downloads) 017b.jpg (94KB - 212 downloads) 018b.jpg (99KB - 197 downloads) 020b.jpg (108KB - 218 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | And, now that you can actually read it... the P31 code engine serial number that matches the sales envelope.... (019b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 019b.jpg (108KB - 219 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146  Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2011-07-15 3:14 PM So, when was that engine cast(ing date)? As compared to the Dodges, which used a capital "I" for the '1', your engine block numbers also look like they were evenly struck, as a single numbers-unit; The 57-58 Dodge stamping numbers typically are relatively very un-evenly struck onto the engine block. Nice looking work! Thanks, Neil. Not sure where to find a date casting on the engine. The serial number matches the sales envelope, The letters "A2" are cast into the front of the block just above the cam bearing opening, the casting number of "1737929" appears under the number "2" on the front side, right of the block, and there is a dial stamping in the center of the valley pan area that the pointer is directed toward the rear of the engine, but I don't know much beyond that. At the rear, near the bellhousing area, on one ear is a large "8" cast in, and on the passenger side ear is a small "riveted" looking plate cast in that has a "4" over a "6-7(?)" The last bit is a bit blurred in the casting. And, yeah, this machine shop has done a great deal of work for me over the years, family owned, third generation son runs it now.... and all of the work they did still came in under $300. Sounded like a good deal to me. Edited by BarnFind57 2011-07-15 3:33 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Here's what I took... (001.JPG) (002.JPG) (003.JPG) (004.JPG) (005.JPG) (006.JPG) (007.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 001.JPG (121KB - 210 downloads) 002.JPG (125KB - 199 downloads) 003.JPG (121KB - 207 downloads) 004.JPG (118KB - 198 downloads) 005.JPG (104KB - 192 downloads) 006.JPG (95KB - 196 downloads) 007.JPG (99KB - 190 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3577  Location: Blythewood, SC | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | |||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2011-07-17 1:46 PM April 16, 1957? I can see that.... makes sense.... Nice hanging out with all you old forward look gurus.... I'm learing all kinds of stuff. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | She's just been sitting idle a couple of weeks. Ordering the last few bits i needed for the engine... Also, had to refurbish and reattach a fiberglass hatch on my camper, and I inherited my dad's 1955 Schwinn Deluxe Hornet over the weekend... so, naturally I had to prioritize and dropped both project vehicles to polish up the bike. Hope to be back on this one soon.... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-08-15 9:38 PM We are all waiting for an update. Whats UP ??? About the only thing I have managed to do on this old lady the last couple of months is allow it to build up a protective layer of dust.... Like I said, totally got sidetracked by this... my dad's bike.... But, it's about 90% done now, so I can re-direct my attention toward the Plymouth finally... sorta.... The little lady did give me one kinda cool anniversary present.... a YOM tag that I can use with the antique registration. Other than that, I have just started pulling some of the trim off, prepping it for body work. But, the girls all just started back to school this last week, so add that distraction to the list while you are at it. I did order the last couple of items, an oil pump and a timing chain, for the engine. Now I can get it on a stand, and start putting that back together at work.... Pics of the distraction and the present... (007b.jpg) (017b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 007b.jpg (163KB - 200 downloads) 017b.jpg (107KB - 196 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-08-15 11:14 PM the weather has Finally turned a little COOLER so its time to start again. I hear ya on that one. I am a technician, and I work in a non-climate controlled shop. The last few weeks the temps have been over 100 everyday... after being in that for about 9-10 hours, you don't really look forward to working in the garage when you get home. This lessening of heat is helping my desire to get going on the Plymouth again... after 104, 94 doesn't seem so bad... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 802 Location: Norcross (Atlanta area), GA | BarnFind57 - 2011-08-15 11:03 PM The little lady did give me one kinda cool anniversary present.... a YOM tag that I can use with the antique registration. When did Tennessee start making its license tags conventionally, instead of in the shape of the state? ($(KGrHqEOKowE4vpLQwepBORq5v0MUg~~0_3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- $(KGrHqEOKowE4vpLQwepBORq5v0MUg~~0_3.jpg (88KB - 241 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | 57plymouth - 2011-08-16 12:57 PM Well, some time between 1955 and 1957. Well.... duh....  Naw, actually, I have seen 56 tags still shaped like the state, but pretty sure all of the '57 tags I have seen have been like this one, state inset in the standard rectangle, white letters, black background, did that for a while. Eventually, by the early-mid 60s, they had a small state above, like on the one from my '67 bus.... here... (018b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 018b.jpg (105KB - 192 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Geez... It's been nearly 2 months since I have posted on this thread (and nearly as long since I have touched this old car) The summer was hectic, and the early part of the fall hasn't been a whole lot better, but it's all starting to settle down a bit now. I was distracted first by the fixing up project of my dad's former bike, then that led to the decision to clean up my vintage Snap On tool box set... blah blah blah.... Finally got all the engine stuff back together at my work from where it was stored at home, and I have started cleaning everything up so I can start the engine reassembly. Also, I have cleaned out the garage, not once, but twice, so I can finally get around the car there. It's a lot bigger than a VW beetle... I have started stripping little bits of trim from the car, but haven't made a whole lot of progress on it, as I am still waist deep in a bus project for one of our local club members. As soon as it's out of the way, I can turn the Plymouth sideways in the garage, and start taking care of the body welding. It's been a while, but things are starting to come around.... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Actually making some progress..... Got the block cleaned / flushed out. To anyone who doesn't know... when you get a block back from being hot tanked, it's nice to let them sit for a little while, and then blow out the coolant passages. I got a whole lot of rust out of there. Then, the crank that I cleaned up before storing it a while back, I cleaned out. This is one thing a lot of folks fail to do when re-using a crank. I ran some bore brushes through the oil passages, got a LOT of dry, packed oil scale out of there too. Then, cleaned everything up, started assembling the short block. As of right now, got the main bearings in, crank installed, piston rings installed, rod assemblies installed with the new rod bearings on to the crank, and the camshaft cleaned up and in the block as well. Not bad for some lunches and a few little after-work sessions. Heads were at home. I called the machine shop, and they charge a paltry sum to hot-tank those, so I decided to break the heads down the rest of the way so they could be cleaned up as well. Got them loaded in the trunk tonight, I will drop them off tomorrow at lunch. Lots of little pieces to clean up now.... Truckin' right along. Pics: (013b.jpg) (016b.jpg) (019b.jpg) (029b.jpg) (043b.jpg) (057b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 013b.jpg (120KB - 186 downloads) 016b.jpg (114KB - 182 downloads) 019b.jpg (136KB - 163 downloads) 029b.jpg (140KB - 198 downloads) 043b.jpg (122KB - 170 downloads) 057b.jpg (177KB - 278 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Got the heads back from the hot-tank today. Nice and clean... Installed the timing chain and gears so I could rotate the engine... nice and smooth she turns. I thought I bought a new chain at some point, the old one is floppy as all get out, but it seems I forgot to get one. Got one ordered now, and I can get that replaced. My gaskets should be here any time. In the mean time, I have begun the slow, tedious task of cleaning up all the little pieces to put the heads back together. Looks more like a real engine all the time. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Moving a bit slower right now, but managed to get a little done. I can only work on it for 30-40 mins. at a time..... After getting the bare heads back from being cleaned up, I found the exhast seats on the passenger side head to be rather pitted and pounded. I decided to start with that side and I re-cut the seats and the valve surfaces, lapped in all the valves, installed all new valve seals, cleaned all the heavy scale off of the springs and keepers, and cleaned up the valves, then reassembled the head. Came out pretty nice for a almost no money spent low-buck rebuild. Working on the driver side now. A couple of pics of the head work: (001b.jpg) (005b.jpg) (010b.jpg) (011b.jpg) (013b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 001b.jpg (132KB - 156 downloads) 005b.jpg (131KB - 181 downloads) 010b.jpg (137KB - 198 downloads) 011b.jpg (139KB - 159 downloads) 013b.jpg (144KB - 159 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Just a little before reminder.... (005b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 005b.jpg (144KB - 176 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | . What a difference! It's great to see these pic's of your progress. Keep 'em coming! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Soooo.... the sludge removal continues.... it's like a never-ending fun.... I got the new timing chain installed, and had finished the valve job on the second head, and started looking into the valve train. When I first started messing with the engine after buying the car, all of the rockers were stuck where they were, and only after much effort with solvents had I been able to get them to slide back and forth on the rocker shaft... The oiling holes were badly packed with oil scale, and I could tell there was a lot more in there, so, I removed the expansion plugs from the shaft ends and ran a bore brush through them.... gross... wads of oil sludge came spilling out. Lots of nasty gook later, they were nice and clean inside, so I installed new plugs and reassembled the rocker shafts and arms back onto the head after cleaning them up as well. Every oil hole was plugged by scale. It's never a bad idea to be real thorough here. Two beautiful, fresh heads built on a tight budget ready to reinstall on the block now. Edited by BarnFind57 2011-11-12 11:56 AM (002b.jpg) (003b.jpg) (005b.jpg) (020b.jpg) (023b.jpg) (029b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 002b.jpg (135KB - 168 downloads) 003b.jpg (139KB - 190 downloads) 005b.jpg (92KB - 183 downloads) 020b.jpg (149KB - 163 downloads) 023b.jpg (115KB - 173 downloads) 029b.jpg (158KB - 175 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-11-14 2:17 PM I see you have a REAL motor beside your Plymouth motor. Nothing like an air cooled and a dual port at that!!! Yeah, Dorsey.... I have made a good bit over the years, restoring V-Dubs... Been building those engines for nearly 20 years now. I remember you saying when we were talking the other day that you had messed around with those over the years as well. That engine is for a friend of mine's '74 Thing. His is super nice, less than 100k og miles, grage kept. Of course, it's still a Thing, basic as bare-bones gets.... But It's the nicest hollow tin can I have ever driven. The Plymouth engine is coming along quite nicely. Heads on, lifters and pushrods in. Due to a mix-up in the box, I have replacement V8 intake gaskets on the way... (the itty-bitty 6 cyl. ones wouldn't quite fit the bill. ) Otherwise, Rolling along steadily at the moment. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Long Block is done. Cleaning up the last bits... intake, timing cover, pan, valve covers.... I began stripping the engine compartment. Very happy with how nice it already is. Plans are to remove the fenders, inner fenders, core support, and everything bolted to the firewall so I can paint and detail the engine compartment, and reassemble it. That way I don't have to take it all apart again. I think that I will go through the front end while I am at it. Sure would be nice to do all that while there is absolutely nothing in the way... (012b.jpg) (016b.jpg) (017b.jpg) (033b.jpg) (048b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 012b.jpg (145KB - 163 downloads) 016b.jpg (159KB - 168 downloads) 017b.jpg (132KB - 183 downloads) 033b.jpg (119KB - 161 downloads) 048b.jpg (153KB - 167 downloads) | ||
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Regular Posts: 78 Location: Mistake on the Lake | Silver Charcoal looks like it contains a bit of blue...who knew? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | LookForward - 2011-11-24 9:46 AM Silver Charcoal looks like it contains a bit of blue...who knew? :laugh: The underside of the trunk lid is still brilliant, shiny, not so much as a scuff original paint. And, yeah, it's actually a nice color. Kind of a Steel Blue-Gray color. It will be returned to it's original colors of Silver Charcoal and Satin Gray when I am finished with it. Got a little bit done, been real busy this last week or two. Pulled the water hose fittings from the intake (what was left of them) and bought some replacements. Intake and timing cover cleaned up real nice, intake bolted on, cleaning up the valve covers and oil pan so I can sandblast them, getting ready to install the oil pump, put on the tins, and shoot some shiny silver paint on the whole mess. At home, got everything thing I had done undone, and then some... sounds like a little poem.... .... The grille, headlamp housings, bumper, and front metal all undone. Gonna pull the fenders, core support, and inner fenders in the next few nights to get ready for fresh paint on the firewall. Moving along, nice and slow, but steady. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Finally.... now I just gotta order some icing for the cake from Bill Hirsch.... (018B.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 018B.jpg (148KB - 174 downloads) | ||
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