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Expert Posts: 4044 Location: Connecticut | Barnfind - What's that device that you have bolted to the head ? The thing with the long rod and brackets at each end. Ron | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | ronbo97 - 2011-04-27 10:21 AM Barnfind - What's that device that you have bolted to the head ? The thing with the long rod and brackets at each end. Ron Valve spring compressor.... works grat, too. you put compressed air into the cylinder to hold the valves up, and then you use a lever/ handle that pivots on the long rod in the middle to force the valve retainers and springs down, take out the keepers. and take the spring off. Going to be replacing my stem seals. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Build sheets.... Under the rear seat and glued to the bottom of the glovebox. The under seat one was great, carefully removed it and placed it in a protective sleeve to preserve it. The one under the glovebox was so deteriorated from water that it tried to disintegrate when i touched it, so I overlayed it and adhered it completely to the box with crystal clear packing tape. It may yellow/ damage the ink, but that one was a loss any way, the paper was so brittle. (001b.jpg) (006b.jpg) (011b.jpg) (008b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 001b.jpg (133KB - 202 downloads) 006b.jpg (128KB - 209 downloads) 011b.jpg (98KB - 228 downloads) 008b.jpg (95KB - 206 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Gave her another bath yesterday after wrapping up under the hood. Finished de-sludging the heads. installed all new stem seals. flushed out the HUGE oil return holes in the heads.... Flushed the oil out once, about time to do it again. cleaned the old, green stripe AC plugs, reinstalled them, and got the valves sorta close so I could crank it up. Very little smoking now, running smoother everytime. Underway with the cemical radiator flush now.... in the middle of it running for 3-6 hours... Got lots more nasty stuff out of the radiator. Replaced the literally disintegrating ground cable with a new one. Starts up much better now. Now, I just started up with the brakes. Need to get those working properly.... Not gonna leave home port with non-working brakes. I did take it out for little spin around the block once i had her running better. Took a couple of pics while she was out.... Lots of little improvements... 15 mins of work at a time. (001b.jpg) (002b.jpg) (011b.jpg) (014b.jpg) (026b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 001b.jpg (103KB - 222 downloads) 002b.jpg (111KB - 202 downloads) 011b.jpg (115KB - 213 downloads) 014b.jpg (97KB - 237 downloads) 026b.jpg (110KB - 226 downloads) | ||
SavoyPlaza |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1172 Location: Georgia | She's looking my-T-fine, Rick!! Pete | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Where did you get the valve spring compressor??? I'm working on my '57 4dr HT and I might have to do the same to mine. I'm glad to see your not converting it to a '58 like so many want to do. I like the headlight and valence design of the '57's. | ||
BarnFind57 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-05-11 11:24 PM Where did you get the valve spring compressor??? I'm working on my '57 4dr HT and I might have to do the same to mine. I'm glad to see your not converting it to a '58 like so many want to do. I like the headlight and valence design of the '57's. Yup... I had, no doubt, some of my desire driven by the Movie, like so many others... but the two biggest influences that pushed me to owning one of these cars were a '57 Fury that I used to see when i was a kid growing up, and all the stories about my grandfather's '57 Belvedere Sport Sedan. I have always liked the slight differences on the '57. And, the spring compressor is an old Snap-On unit. They offer a newer version, imported, in their Blue Point line, for $190, on their website. This one is the shop's, and they have had it for many years. You used compressed air in the cylinder to hold the valves up, and then force the spring down with the lever handle. I used to see several similair tools offered, but the Blue Point one is all I see now.... Since it's an import, I can check and see... we have an independent tool guy, I could get a price on one if you're interested from him, he can probably order one like it as well. A link to the one offered by Snap-On... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=80816... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/objects_lg/54900/54860.JPG | ||
BarnFind57 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | SavoyPlaza - 2011-05-10 8:35 AM She's looking my-T-fine, Rick!! Pete Thank you, sir. | ||
BarnFind57 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | BarnFind57 - 2011-05-12 8:20 AM oldwood - 2011-05-11 11:24 PM Where did you get the valve spring compressor??? I'm working on my '57 4dr HT and I might have to do the same to mine. I'm glad to see your not converting it to a '58 like so many want to do. I like the headlight and valence design of the '57's. Yup... I had, no doubt, some of my desire driven by the Movie, like so many others... but the two biggest influences that pushed me to owning one of these cars were a '57 Fury that I used to see when i was a kid growing up, and all the stories about my grandfather's '57 Belvedere Sport Sedan. I have always liked the slight differences on the '57. And, the spring compressor is an old Snap-On unit. They offer a newer version, imported, in their Blue Point line, for $190, on their website. This one is the shop's, and they have had it for many years. You used compressed air in the cylinder to hold the valves up, and then force the spring down with the lever handle. I used to see several similair tools offered, but the Blue Point one is all I see now.... Since it's an import, I can check and see... we have an independent tool guy, I could get a price on one if you're interested from him, he can probably order one like it as well. A link to the one offered by Snap-On... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=80816... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/objects_lg/54900/54860.JPG Just found this one... just like ours... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HATEV4/ref=asc_df_B000HATEV41491485?sm... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ovj8ui2LL._SL500_AA300_.jpg | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Thanks for the info on the tools. To bad your not "loan a tool" like most parts store. | ||
BarnFind57 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Yeah... not terribly cheap, but like so many other things in life, you gotta pay to play. They are SO much easier to use, and faster, than the other versions. At that kinda price, it's kinda extreme unless you plan on doing this numerous times. I like having fringe benefits of working at a shop. | ||
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Regular Posts: 58 Location: Norway | Great barn find! Looking better and better (and I think she looked good when you found her...) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | 59yorker - 2011-05-18 4:26 AM Great barn find! Looking better and better (and I think she looked good when you found her...) ;) For several years now, i have had a thing for original cars. When I saw the pics from when the previous owner dug it out of the barn, I was really sad that he had done anything to it. I personally wouldn't have touched it. One thing I do like is a car sitting lower than when it left the factory. I think I might crank the torsion beams down just a it, and slip some short blocks under the rear end. Outside of that, she's just gonna get some external work and spot repairs inside. And that's it... I had to stop spending money on the car, to have some dental work done, but I have keeping busy with little things here and there. I'll get my brake stuff ordered, put them back together, and she'll be back on the road in the next couple of weeks. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Been doing lots of little, but crucial work on this old girl... Went through the brake system, replaceing or repairing everything needed... - Replaced all four front wheel cylinders - Rebuilt the rear wheel cylinders - Rebuilt the master cylinder - Replaced the flex-lines, replaced a few of the hard lines where needed - Cleaned up the shoes and the drums, no replacement necessary - flushed out all the old brake fluid It's kinda nice stopping with all four wheels. I still need to do a little more bleeding and adjusting, but I am rather impressed by how well the brakes work on this big car, being manual drum brakes. I am dealing with, yet again, a leaking oil filter housing at the moment. I did finally realize that the sealing lip of the can was just slightly bent, so I straightened that... hopefully that will take care of the perpetual drip. I did have one moment when I thought that the fuel pump had died.... right up until the point that I realized there was something else that still worked on the car... the fuel gauge.... A trip to the station with a gas can fixed that one, and, once she filled back up the carb, purred too life once again. Can't wait to get it out on the open road. Shouldn't be long now. (001b.jpg) (003b.jpg) (013b.jpg) (020b.jpg) (025b.jpg) (029b.jpg) (033b.jpg) (035b.jpg) (036b.jpg) (040b.jpg) (038b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 001b.jpg (130KB - 184 downloads) 003b.jpg (140KB - 186 downloads) 013b.jpg (132KB - 181 downloads) 020b.jpg (117KB - 177 downloads) 025b.jpg (147KB - 180 downloads) 029b.jpg (125KB - 191 downloads) 033b.jpg (117KB - 177 downloads) 035b.jpg (118KB - 196 downloads) 036b.jpg (122KB - 192 downloads) 040b.jpg (114KB - 185 downloads) 038b.jpg (105KB - 187 downloads) | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Those brake pics look familiar as I just did the same to my '60 Savoy last July. Lookin Good!!! | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Rick, if that is your car's Broadcast Sheet, in pic 8b, above, now "laminated" to the back of the glove box, you should be able, carefully, to remove the Broadcast Sheet from the glove box, as the paper should now adhere to the tape and come off as 1-piece, from the glove box. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2011-05-26 3:33 PM Rick, if that is your car's Broadcast Sheet, in pic 8b, above, now "laminated" to the back of the glove box, you should be able, carefully, to remove the Broadcast Sheet from the glove box, as the paper should now adhere to the tape and come off as 1-piece, from the glove box. That's the plan.... I got kinda distracted with everybody talking about these pieces of history, so I just went on a little hunt to see if i could find one. And I found two. I'll get back to that soon, now. I was already waist-deep at that time with other mechanical repairs but I just wanted to see if they were there. The one under the back seat was REALLY nice, and the one under the glovebox is actually glued to the under side in strips/beads of glue, so it doesn't want to come off easy. I figured i can take the glovebox completely out, and fart around with it that way. I still need to go digging in the floor under the rubber mat, and see if there isn't one hiding under there too. After so many years working on Volkswagens, which everybody "thinks" they can fix and therefore they are torn down and put back together a half dozen times, the originality/untouched nature of this old car just amazes me all the time. I have never owned a used car in my life that the cigarette lighter had never been used. Crazy stuff. And I am loving every moment of it.... even when the four letter words were flying.... | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Words like: LOVE, HECK,GOLF,BABY ... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-05-26 5:13 PM Words like: LOVE, HECK,GOLF,BABY ... It's like you were there or sumthin'.... Yeah, those words exactly.... | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Now that I look at them it should have read: Heck Baby Love Golf | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Golf is for men who prefer the company of other men. Just say NO to golf. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-05-26 10:53 PM Golf is for men who prefer the company of other men. Just say NO to golf. A really goofy clothes, and old guys chasing a little white ball...Too much fun.. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-05-26 10:53 PM Golf is for men who prefer the company of other men. Just say NO to golf. I knew there was a reason that sport never appealed to me. | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Whenever I'm (infrequently) asked about whether I partake in the game (not SPORT) of golf, I reply that I've ALREADY got enough frustration in my life.... And speaking of frustration: why in the Wide Wide World of Exner would the factory GLUE a Broadcast Sheet to the back of a Plymouth's glove box? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2011-05-27 4:19 PM Whenever I'm (infrequently) asked about whether I partake in the game (not SPORT) of golf, I reply that I've ALREADY got enough frustration in my life.... And speaking of frustration: why in the Wide Wide World of Exner would the factory GLUE a Broadcast Sheet to the back of a Plymouth's glove box? i know... wierd stuff, but it appears they ran two beads of glue on the bottom side of the glovebox and stuck the paper to it.... I dunno... And, in other news, I have realized with what is still ahead of me in the running and driving department, plus I need tires, I was wavering on this idea of simply getting it roadworthy. When I drained the oil this last time, I could tell something was obstructing the oil drain hole. I stuck my pinky up in there, and discovered about 1" of the same heavy, chunky sludge in the pan that was all up in the heads (and I had flushed most of that outward, not into the bottom of the engine).... hadn't even looked before. At that point, i started thinking maybe I should throttle back just a bit, before trying to drive her around like that, quite possibly doing some damage to the engine internals. I actually only looked up in there after, as it was draining, i noticed little bits of black solid particles coming out in the stream of oil, indicating that it was in fact circulating around, not just cemented to the bottom of the pan..... So, as much as it kills me, this weekend, I will be pulling the engine and trans, doing the right thing, and take care of any needed welding/body repairs at home, so maybe by this fall it will be properly done.. maybe spring, who knows.. But, I am one who fixes stuff right, and does it once. This car has been different, as I have so eagerly wanted one for so long that I was trying to take the quick and dirty route to throw it on the road. Needing to slow down and do it right is hard for me herre, but i keep trying to tell myself that i waited 25 years to have one... It's mine, now... i can wait a few months more before driving it. Not to mention, I DRIVE my old cars, so proper working order is where I like them to be. I love taking and posting pics. The next ones you see will feature the engine on the outside of the car. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7808 Location: Williams California | Rick, I'm enjoying your thread fully. Back in the days of non-detergent motor oils, most engines would sludge up just after 40 or 50 thousand miles. When I was in the auto repair business in the '80's, we still had cars come in with sludged up engines, although by then it was from people not changing the oil and filter on regular intervals, or using the gallon-can recycled oil that was common in the parts stores to 'discount' customers. Keep up the good work! ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | I pulled the oil pan off of my '50 Buick in the car. Can the oil pan not be removed on these cars without removing the engine or maybe raising the engine up some??? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-05-27 8:16 PM I pulled the oil pan off of my '50 Buick in the car. Can the oil pan not be removed on these cars without removing the engine or maybe raising the engine up some??? They absolutely can be.... basically lift the engine up, remove the center link and the front pipe for the needed clearance... and take it down. This engine just has so much debris floating around that has broken loose, and that can cause a big world of headache if it finds it's way into the bearings of the engine. As a dealership tech for years with Volkswagen, I can tell you all about the destructive power of engine sludge... when it's stuck and when it breaks free..... I am pretty much just trying to preserve what I have, not end up doing more damage. It will just be a clean-up and re-seal, while the body work is being done. Then, drop it back in place later this summer. I can also run all new metal lines for the brakes, and have the fuel tank cleaned and treated. I just want to have something reliable that I can hop in to and drive a couple of hours without thinking about. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Well, that was quick. Got the engine stripped Friday evening, and pulled on Saturday morning. Went really smooth, only bump in the road was an attempted exhaust repair for the manifold studs. Someone had put some undersized bolts in the passenger manifold/ front pipe connection (of course, the one that you can't get to so easy) and the bolts were rounded off and spinning. Not a big deal though, got them out with some effort, and the other side came apart like it was supposed to. Lots of original components on the car, most don't appear to have been messed with or replaced over the years.... original carter glass bowl fuel filter, distributor, green tag Autolite Electric Generator and Starter, that sort of stuff... and the paint in the engine compartment is in really great shape. Should clean up pretty easily. Gonna paint the engine bay and the inner fender areas when i take care of the body work, but nothing too elaborate. Glad I chose for option #4,237 on how to proceed with this little project. It'll help me feel a bit better about taking the car on a longer trip. As is my thang, pics of the night and morning of fun time... Pushing forward... (004b.jpg) (007b.jpg) (011b.jpg) (018b.jpg) (022b.jpg) (024b.jpg) (025b.jpg) (027b.jpg) (029b.jpg) (131b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 004b.jpg (118KB - 182 downloads) 007b.jpg (109KB - 198 downloads) 011b.jpg (126KB - 183 downloads) 018b.jpg (111KB - 175 downloads) 022b.jpg (113KB - 175 downloads) 024b.jpg (113KB - 174 downloads) 025b.jpg (117KB - 178 downloads) 027b.jpg (126KB - 180 downloads) 029b.jpg (117KB - 178 downloads) 131b.jpg (111KB - 193 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2519 Location: central Illinois | What a contrast to be seen at a dealership! Little bright red VW's next to larger that life American iron! Car's looking good, especially that grill and massive bumper. Really enjoying your thread, keep up the good work. Oh and I was on top of Signal Mountain about 5 years ago on vacation. Some of the mostly friendly people in the world in your part of Tennessee. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Engine Disassembly... Part I. Stupid non-detergent oils... down to a shortblock today, take it a bit further tomorrow... Really glad that I decided to dig into this now... it was pretty bad, and it needs a complete cleaning. (007b.jpg) (011b.jpg) (019b.jpg) (025b.jpg) (030b.jpg) (036b.jpg) (037b.jpg) (040b.jpg) (041b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 007b.jpg (123KB - 173 downloads) 011b.jpg (104KB - 185 downloads) 019b.jpg (141KB - 174 downloads) 025b.jpg (113KB - 169 downloads) 030b.jpg (129KB - 171 downloads) 036b.jpg (111KB - 166 downloads) 037b.jpg (116KB - 186 downloads) 040b.jpg (148KB - 180 downloads) 041b.jpg (132KB - 173 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Just my 2cents. Ya might as well hone and ring it with a new chain and bearings and hell whats a new oil pump too. Edited by oldwood 2011-06-02 11:37 AM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-06-02 11:36 AM Just my 2cents. Ya might as well hone and ring it with a new chain and bearings and hell whats a new oil pump too. Not just yours... mine too... You have basically described what I intend to do. the cylinders do have a slight ridge at the top, but not bad at all. I will probably just hone it for now. That plus a new set of rings, and I will be good for a while. The good news is that it was running very well, so I want to alter as little as possible... merely taking preventative measures. Spend a little now, instead of a whole lot later. Stuck my finger into the goop in the oil pan... it' nearly an inch deep where it ramps up on either side of the drain hole. Glad I took it apart now. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | big m - 2011-05-27 6:22 PM Rick, I'm enjoying your thread fully. Back in the days of non-detergent motor oils, most engines would sludge up just after 40 or 50 thousand miles. When I was in the auto repair business in the '80's, we still had cars come in with sludged up engines, although by then it was from people not changing the oil and filter on regular intervals, or using the gallon-can recycled oil that was common in the parts stores to 'discount' customers. Keep up the good work! ---John Thanks for the words of support, John.... And, it still happens these days. In particular, my background with VW. The 1.8 turbo engines in the Passats ('99-'05) required a shallow oil pan to clear the front subframe. As a result, they originally only held about 3.9 quarts. Add that low amount of oil, plus how hard that engine works to push the car down the road, and let's not forget people forgot how to open the hood and check their own fluids about 15 years ago and there tendency to go twice as long between oil changes as they should... they are a sludge nightmare, not far from what i see here. They came out with technical bulletins about it, ran an oversized filter (now 4.2 quart capacity) and changed the requirement to synthetic oil, invented elaborate engine flushing methods, but the damage often times was already done. They are still a constant issue with warranty engine replacement (they had to extend the engine warranty to i think 115k miles, or 10 years if memory serves, although it's settled down a bit the last couple years. Edited by BarnFind57 2011-06-02 12:17 PM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Eeee-gadd... what a mess.... I have the engine completely torn down now, and the block has been cleaned out... heads are torn down so i can lap the valves.. Other than the ridiculous amount of rust that I flushed out, and the goop that was rumored to have been oil in a former life, it really wasn't too bad in there. a little bit of scratching on one rod journal, but nothing that can't just be cleaned up with some emory cloth. The bearings all looked pretty good actually. I'll polish up the crank and the cam and re-use them, along with some fresh rod and main bearings. a new set of rings to go with the cylinder honing I will do, add in a new timing chain, and oil pump, and new gaskets, and I should be good to go. The only debate I am having at this time is the expansion plugs. Like I said, I got a LOT of rust (solid chunks) out of the block when I flushed it out. I am afraid that the rust may have been working to hold a leak at bay in the coolant passages, so replacing them with some fresh caps may not be too bad of an idea while it's out. I have seen more than once after blocks have been flushed that the freeze plugs start puking coolant. Opinions from the Mopar veterans here? Admittedly, all of the classic cars I have restored up to this point have not required the use of coolant.... Pics of the work so far... Edited by BarnFind57 2011-06-09 1:41 PM (002b.jpg) (005b.jpg) (001b.jpg) (007b.jpg) (013b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 002b.jpg (149KB - 181 downloads) 005b.jpg (163KB - 171 downloads) 001b.jpg (130KB - 176 downloads) 007b.jpg (110KB - 175 downloads) 013b.jpg (124KB - 179 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7808 Location: Williams California | That is some serious sludge buildup! M'lisa just loves it when I come into the house after tearing an engine like that down, dang near gotta wash down with gasoline!! ---John | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Well, at least, the engine block should be stress-relieved, by now. Was all that top end grunge the result of a lifetime of partial heat-up/stop-and-go city driving (and no detergent- type engine oil replacement (ever)? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | big m - 2011-06-13 1:06 PM That is some serious sludge buildup! M'lisa just loves it when I come into the house after tearing an engine like that down, dang near gotta wash down with gasoline!! ---John Yeah.... the little lady's exact words when I walked in the door at home that evening were "Yikes... what the hell happened to you?" When I removed my shoes and socks (I was wearing shorts that day, so the legs were exposed), I had a clearly defined "gray line"... as opposed to a tan line... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | d500neil - 2011-06-13 3:13 PM Well, at least, the engine block should be stress-relieved, by now. Was all that top end grunge the result of a lifetime of partial heat-up/stop-and-go city driving (and no detergent- type engine oil replacement (ever)? Yep. And, now that it's cleaned, I never have owned a cam bearing installer (a lifetime of overhead cam engines, except for all the air cooled VW split bearing stuff will do that for you)... I checked the price of bearing remover/installers, then called the machine shop. They can replace the bearings at a cost of $35. Cheapest tool is $125+.... machine shop it is. I am considering just having them hot tank the block ($60) while it's there. And, yes, just lots of gunk from years of ND motor oil. The sticker in the door jamb from 1990 lists Quaker State, but didn't go further than that. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7808 Location: Williams California | I just bought a cam bearing tool awhile back for rebuilding the 455 in M'lisa's Olds-our local machine shop folded up recently due to the owner retiring, he used to install cam bearings free of charge for me. A good run in the hot tank is a great idea, it will loosen rust and crud in galleys and other areas you cannot get to easily. Many overheating problems in cars that have set for years are caused by sediments and rust build up in the water jackets of the block. ---John | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | ^^^ That's kinda what I was thinking, John... just needed someone else to say it to confirm my opinion. I have seen a bunch of cars that develop issues after the cooling system is flushed out. I am thinking that $60 would be money well spent. Then I can replace freeze plugs, hone the cylinders, and the block should be good for another 54 years. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Get rid of that boat anchor and put in a real engine, Ha just kidding!!! $$$ well spent. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | oldwood - 2011-06-13 6:03 PM Get rid of that boat anchor and put in a real engine Where's the challenge in that? | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Got the crank polished yesterday, gonna clean up the cam today and order some engine bearings. Once I had everything cleaned up, I kept going back to the cylinders.... they feel a bit lumpy toward the top, like maybe the walls are gonna need a bit more aggressive treatment than I was originally thinking. Gonna hold off on the whole rebuild kit option, might have the machine shop hone the block as well, so i can verify if i need to go the oversized piston route. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8445 Location: Perth Australia | ha ha ha I have not been following this thread, but it looks like the "might as well" bug has bitten Not a bad bug to get, but it can get expencive I am looking forward to getting to the mechanical stage on my car (hate bodywork) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7808 Location: Williams California | BarnFind57 - 2011-06-14 5:29 AM Got the crank polished yesterday, gonna clean up the cam today and order some engine bearings. Once I had everything cleaned up, I kept going back to the cylinders.... they feel a bit lumpy toward the top, like maybe the walls are gonna need a bit more aggressive treatment than I was originally thinking. Gonna hold off on the whole rebuild kit option, might have the machine shop hone the block as well, so i can verify if i need to go the oversized piston route. Just a recommendation, I would check the taper of the cylinders with a bore micrometer at this stage, if there is more than .006" taper, you could have oil consumption or oil burning issues. Better to be safe than sorry! ---John | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Still waiting to hear back from the machine shop regarding the block, but I had some time and a free lift after work today, so i got a lot done. Drained the trans before removing it, pulled the pan, looks really good inside there. Fuel tank is out, and super nice inside it, if i might say.... Driveshaft, exhaust, and the trans is out as well. Have I mentioned nice it is to have the use of a lift? Edited by BarnFind57 2011-06-16 10:02 PM (010b.jpg) (020b.jpg) (014b.jpg) (015b.jpg) (027b.jpg) (024b.jpg) (032b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 010b.jpg (120KB - 167 downloads) 020b.jpg (119KB - 168 downloads) 014b.jpg (117KB - 172 downloads) 015b.jpg (85KB - 183 downloads) 027b.jpg (106KB - 175 downloads) 024b.jpg (116KB - 188 downloads) 032b.jpg (115KB - 166 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1116 Location: CA | Now you're just showin off, lol! Nice! | ||
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Veteran Posts: 102 Location: CA | I would call what i want to do a "driver resto". I want to go through all the mechanical bits, don't wanna be left on the side of the road... and fix the body to prevent any further rot, paint it back in the original colors, fix the seat covers... that's about it. I want it too look good, but, we have three kids, it will be parked in public places, will be driven on the roads... I don't wanna over-do it. That's totally awesome! And I understand what you mean by "I don't wanna over-do it". I plan on making my 57' Belvedere 4dr Sedan my daily driver, and I'm starting out pretty much the same way you are, that is getting her fully mechanically reliable and drive-able. Then comes the rest. An original restoration, but without overdue because of the fact that I will also be parking it in public places. btw I used to be "take me back", but I changed my user name, so this is a follow up to your original quoted reply... | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY | I had the same sludge with my Poly 318. The Tranny does look amazingly clean, it must have been rebuilt prior to barn storage. Have fun....see, things are starting to snowball...;} Ralph from Brooklyn | ||
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